Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield accused of using steroids

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Hey Yankee fans, how do you feel about the 2 Game 7 home runs hit by Giambi now? They both barely made it over the wall and were the reason the game even went to extra innings... yes it's easy to win when you CHEAT. Fvcking loser = Giambi. Oh and the 15 inch pythons (lmao, my arms are bigger than that and I don't have to JUICE) are a laughable remnant of his 18 inchers from last year. To reiterate, Giambi = Fvcking loser. Guaranteed Giambi hits those fly balls off Pedro this year and they barely make it to the warning track.

Oh, they'll still say that the roids had nothing to do with it, just like Bonds hitting 75 home runs. No, they'll say the ball is juiced, and not them.

Agreed. <b>I also find it funny that someone on roids can't even stay healthy for half the season, what a pathetic joke Giambi is.</b> He was probably on the juice when he was MVP with the A's too.

About Barry Bonds, Jim Rome said it best: "When you haven't hit more than the 40's for your whole career in home runs, and all of sudden hit 73 when you get a new trainer, it's OBVIOUS something changed." I agree, look at Barry's stats for HR's by year: 16, 25, 24, 19, 33, 25, 34, 46, 37, 33, 42, 40, 37, 34, 49, 73, 46, 45. Yes he only hit 46 and 45 in the past 2 years but that was b/c noone would pitch to him, as proof he was STILL on the JUICE: 2001: 73 HRs, 1.378 OPS. 2002: 46 HRs, 1.381 OPS. 2003: 45 HRs, 1.278 OPS. OPS doesn't lie folks. You could even argue that in 2000, when he hit 49 HRs, he started the "juice", b/c his OPS was 1.128. Prior to that from beginning of his career - 1999 he avg'd an OPS of .968 over 14 years. The numbers don't lie.

Umm, you do know that steroids often make it easier to sustain injuries.

You just sound like a bitter sox fan... maybe if Pedro wasn't so arrogant (staying in game 7) you guys would have won the WS last year. The Sox have no one to blame but themselves for their failures.

Sure they do! They can blame Steinbrenner, Giambi, steroids, Bonds, Ben Afflek, Duqette, it doesn't matter. They still haven't won since 1918.

 

[cliftonite]

I sold steriods to Aaron Boone after game 6. Thats why he hit that homerun

 

[nitsuj3580]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Anonymous Sources? What makes you think McGwire wasn't juiced?

McGwire admitted to taking Andro, which is a legal supplement. It's nothing compared to THG, which was made to beef up cattle.

As far as the anonymous sources go, I would believe it b/c of Sheffield's attorney's defensive response to the report that it was shipped to Sheffield. Remember, she never said that Shef didn't receive the drugs in the mail. Not once. She did say he never took them knowingly. That raises some red flags, don't you think? Why didn't she just say, no he never received nor took them EVER. Instead we get this cryptic response about steroids, even in the form of cream. I'm willing to bet this story will get even bigger as more and more names surface... Benito Santiago? Randy Velarde? Both received THG in the mail, isn't it odd how Santiago received it when he and Bonds were both on the Giants... or when Giambi and Velarde were both on the A's? Isn't it strange how both of these teams are in the "Bay area"? And Balco is located in the "Bay"? hmmmmm you decide.

using words like "knowingly" is the legal talk equivalent to saying "no comment". It makes their answer just as indefinite as saying "no comment" without admitting to or denying the accusation to make reporters happy and give them something to write about.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Hey Yankee fans, how do you feel about the 2 Game 7 home runs hit by Giambi now? They both barely made it over the wall and were the reason the game even went to extra innings... yes it's easy to win when you CHEAT. Fvcking loser = Giambi. Oh and the 15 inch pythons (lmao, my arms are bigger than that and I don't have to JUICE) are a laughable remnant of his 18 inchers from last year. To reiterate, Giambi = Fvcking loser. Guaranteed Giambi hits those fly balls off Pedro this year and they barely make it to the warning track.

Oh, they'll still say that the roids had nothing to do with it, just like Bonds hitting 75 home runs. No, they'll say the ball is juiced, and not them.

Agreed. <b>I also find it funny that someone on roids can't even stay healthy for half the season, what a pathetic joke Giambi is.</b> He was probably on the juice when he was MVP with the A's too.

About Barry Bonds, Jim Rome said it best: "When you haven't hit more than the 40's for your whole career in home runs, and all of sudden hit 73 when you get a new trainer, it's OBVIOUS something changed." I agree, look at Barry's stats for HR's by year: 16, 25, 24, 19, 33, 25, 34, 46, 37, 33, 42, 40, 37, 34, 49, 73, 46, 45. Yes he only hit 46 and 45 in the past 2 years but that was b/c noone would pitch to him, as proof he was STILL on the JUICE: 2001: 73 HRs, 1.378 OPS. 2002: 46 HRs, 1.381 OPS. 2003: 45 HRs, 1.278 OPS. OPS doesn't lie folks. You could even argue that in 2000, when he hit 49 HRs, he started the "juice", b/c his OPS was 1.128. Prior to that from beginning of his career - 1999 he avg'd an OPS of .968 over 14 years. The numbers don't lie.

Umm, you do know that steroids often make it easier to sustain injuries.

You just sound like a bitter sox fan... maybe if Pedro wasn't so arrogant (staying in game 7) you guys would have won the WS last year. The Sox have no one to blame but themselves for their failures.

Sure they do! They can blame Steinbrenner, Giambi, steroids, Bonds, Ben Afflek, Duqette, it doesn't matter. They still haven't won since 1918.

Do you honestly think Giambi could have hit those 2 homeruns, which barely made it over the fence, again? From the picture of him in spring training, it's doubtful. His arms look like twigs now, and no way in hell he lost only "4 pounds". You can lie to us Jason, but we aren't stupid. Giambi receiving shipments in the mail of anabolic steroids takes away from the legitimacy of Game 7 last year. As far as I'm concerned, it was never played, and Giambi's 2 HR's were never hit.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BostonRedSox

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Hey Yankee fans, how do you feel about the 2 Game 7 home runs hit by Giambi now? They both barely made it over the wall and were the reason the game even went to extra innings... yes it's easy to win when you CHEAT. Fvcking loser = Giambi. Oh and the 15 inch pythons (lmao, my arms are bigger than that and I don't have to JUICE) are a laughable remnant of his 18 inchers from last year. To reiterate, Giambi = Fvcking loser. Guaranteed Giambi hits those fly balls off Pedro this year and they barely make it to the warning track.

Oh, they'll still say that the roids had nothing to do with it, just like Bonds hitting 75 home runs. No, they'll say the ball is juiced, and not them.

Agreed. <b>I also find it funny that someone on roids can't even stay healthy for half the season, what a pathetic joke Giambi is.</b> He was probably on the juice when he was MVP with the A's too.

About Barry Bonds, Jim Rome said it best: "When you haven't hit more than the 40's for your whole career in home runs, and all of sudden hit 73 when you get a new trainer, it's OBVIOUS something changed." I agree, look at Barry's stats for HR's by year: 16, 25, 24, 19, 33, 25, 34, 46, 37, 33, 42, 40, 37, 34, 49, 73, 46, 45. Yes he only hit 46 and 45 in the past 2 years but that was b/c noone would pitch to him, as proof he was STILL on the JUICE: 2001: 73 HRs, 1.378 OPS. 2002: 46 HRs, 1.381 OPS. 2003: 45 HRs, 1.278 OPS. OPS doesn't lie folks. You could even argue that in 2000, when he hit 49 HRs, he started the "juice", b/c his OPS was 1.128. Prior to that from beginning of his career - 1999 he avg'd an OPS of .968 over 14 years. The numbers don't lie.

Umm, you do know that steroids often make it easier to sustain injuries.

You just sound like a bitter sox fan... maybe if Pedro wasn't so arrogant (staying in game 7) you guys would have won the WS last year. The Sox have no one to blame but themselves for their failures.

Sure they do! They can blame Steinbrenner, Giambi, steroids, Bonds, Ben Afflek, Duqette, it doesn't matter. They still haven't won since 1918.

Do you honestly think Giambi could have hit those 2 homeruns, which barely made it over the fence, again? From the picture of him in spring training, it's doubtful. His arms look like twigs now, and no way in hell he lost only "4 pounds". You can lie to us Jason, but we aren't stupid. Giambi receiving shipments in the mail of anabolic steroids takes away from the legitimacy of Game 7 last year. As far as I'm concerned, it was never played, and Giambi's 2 HR's were never hit.

lol another Sox fan in denial...

"it was never played"

It's nice to know that your "assumptions" as to what would have happened let you sleep well at night... After all, there isn't anything else to grasp at if you're a Sox fan.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: nitsuj3580

WTF? McGwire was on andro which is illegal in practically every sport but baseball. So how is he more legit than Bonds other than his drug being technically legal in baseball? Assuming Bonds did take 'roids, both McGwire and Bonds used supplements that are well known for getting people jacked (go look at before and after pics of McGwire).

I find that fact that you hold McGwire in higher standing than Bonds hypocritical.

Andro is legal, and sold at my favorite supplement supplier online. The difference between Andro and THG is like comparing NyQuil to a horse tranquilizer, THG is illegal. Your dad, brother, or whomever can buy Andro. From here:

"Obviously, if there's more research and it's shown that it's harmful, we'll make people aware," baseball spokesman Rich Levin said of Androstenedione.

Baseball bans only illegal drugs as does the NBA, and the reason in both cases has nothing to do with competitive fairness or health. The players associations and management in both sports simply haven't agreed on ways of dealing with the issue.

and last but not least,

No one suggests that McGwire wouldn't be closing in on Roger Maris' home run record without the over-the-counter drug. After all, he hit 49 homers without it as a rookie in 1987, and more than 50 each of the past two seasons.

Yes, let's look at before and after pics of McGwire. He hit 49 his rookie season, what's your point?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Storm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Anonymous Sources? What makes you think McGwire wasn't juiced?

Or even Sosa... it could be anyone...

Where is there evidence to support this? There is concrete evidence that Bonds, Shef, and Giambi received steroids. Any other player is just pure speculation and drivel.

THG is a new designer steroid, it wasn't detectable prior to last summer. Furthermore, there is no evidence to suggest that this drug was used prior to 2001, the earliest records that Balco had them shipped to Bonds. As far as we know, Balco labs created this undetectable steroid, and McGwire/Sosa have no association to Balco anyhow.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Do you honestly think Giambi could have hit those 2 homeruns, which barely made it over the fence, again? From the picture of him in spring training, it's doubtful. His arms look like twigs now, and no way in hell he lost only "4 pounds". You can lie to us Jason, but we aren't stupid. Giambi receiving shipments in the mail of anabolic steroids takes away from the legitimacy of Game 7 last year. As far as I'm concerned, it was never played, and Giambi's 2 HR's were never hit.

Okay fine, you win. NOW EXPLAIN THE OTHER 80+ YEARS.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield accused of using steroids.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Do you honestly think Giambi could have hit those 2 homeruns, which barely made it over the fence, again? From the picture of him in spring training, it's doubtful. His arms look like twigs now, and no way in hell he lost only "4 pounds". You can lie to us Jason, but we aren't stupid. Giambi receiving shipments in the mail of anabolic steroids takes away from the legitimacy of Game 7 last year. As far as I'm concerned, it was never played, and Giambi's 2 HR's were never hit.

Okay fine, you win. NOW EXPLAIN THE OTHER 80+ YEARS.

LoL, way to stay on topic! I sympathize with you though, I'd be pissed too if I found out 2 of my star players were juicing. Cheating only adds to my contempt for the NY Yankees. I find it humorous that Sheffield gets THG in the mail, uses it, but doesn't KNOW that it's roids? WTF? Athletes are like fine tuned machines when it comes to their bodies... They know exactly what they are eating and ingesting, it's like going to the gas station and saying "Well, I didn't know what octane of fuel I put in the car, I just pressed the button". Riiiiight. The ignorance defense didn't work for Ben Johnson, and it won't work for you Gary. You knew exactly what you had ordered from Balco.

 

[nitsuj3580]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

LoL, way to stay on topic! I sympathize with you though, I'd be pissed too if I found out 2 of my star players were juicing. Cheating only adds to my contempt for the NY Yankees. I find it humorous that Sheffield gets THG in the mail, uses it, but doesn't KNOW that it's roids? WTF? Athletes are like fine tuned machines when it comes to their bodies... They know exactly what they are eating and ingesting, it's like going to the gas station and saying "Well, I didn't know what octane of fuel I put in the car, I just pressed the button". Riiiiight. The ignorance defense didn't work for Ben Johnson, and it won't work for you Gary. You knew exactly what you had ordered from Balco.

Say hypothetically, it comes out that Kevin Millar and Trot Nixon for example have been on 'roids? I'd be interested in reading your views on that. Would you hate on your own team?

 

[rh71]

BASEBALL = joke.

 

[freegeeks]

I know jack sh*t about baseball but I know one thing

professional sport = money = illegal substances

just read this

19 Olympic medallists from 1984 to 2000 were on doping including Carl Lewis

scandals in cycling (Festina - Tour de France), weightlifting, athletics, soccer and the list goes on and on

there is no doubt that in the MBL (where a lot of money is involved) doping is as "normal" like it is in other sports

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: nitsuj3580

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

LoL, way to stay on topic! I sympathize with you though, I'd be pissed too if I found out 2 of my star players were juicing. Cheating only adds to my contempt for the NY Yankees. I find it humorous that Sheffield gets THG in the mail, uses it, but doesn't KNOW that it's roids? WTF? Athletes are like fine tuned machines when it comes to their bodies... They know exactly what they are eating and ingesting, it's like going to the gas station and saying "Well, I didn't know what octane of fuel I put in the car, I just pressed the button". Riiiiight. The ignorance defense didn't work for Ben Johnson, and it won't work for you Gary. You knew exactly what you had ordered from Balco.

Say hypothetically, it comes out that Kevin Millar and Trot Nixon for example have been on 'roids? I'd be interested in reading your views on that. Would you hate on your own team?

I would not watch the team unless something was done about it. For instance, randomly test players who are guilty of roiding (Say, Bonds/Giambi/Shef), but have independant parties do the testing. Nobody affiliated with the team, or MLB, such as the Olympic testing commitee. If a third party tester says that this person is clean at random times of the year then I'm ok with that. In the least, have MLB test ALL players and don't let them know when they will be tested. Do a random test, say, 50 per week, but the player wouldn't know when that week would be. If they test positive, let the public know. We pay their salaries and generate team revenue, we deserve to be told. Don't keep it a secret. Make the penalty harsh, a one year ban from baseball, none of this pansy "treatment" crap. You test positive, you're gone. But yes, if Trot or whomever were guilty I wouldn't watch/or support the team until they either get rid of said offender or prove that he tested cleanly in the least.

 

[SP33Demon]

Latest News

Santiago's attorney, David Cornwell, declined specific comment but said: "Based on my involvement in this matter, I know that many of the athletes involved did not know they were being given a banned substance."

Anna Ling, an attorney for Anderson, said the trainer had "never knowingly given any illegal substance to anybody."

Looks like everyone's playing the "I never knew what it was" angle. Omg the Feds are going to have a field day with this! Ignorance will not fly in any of these cases, as proven by Ben Johnson.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Some baseball prospects have already been found to have been using steroids.

 

[SP33Demon]

ESPN Sportsnation: "Bonds Juiced? We Knew That."

 

[BigJ]

SP33Demon, if you take the right Winstrol stack + diet, you can increase your strength quite a bit without bulking up too much in weight. Winstrol will make a person look amazingly cut.

 

[Storm]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Storm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Anonymous Sources? What makes you think McGwire wasn't juiced?

Or even Sosa... it could be anyone...

Where is there evidence to support this? There is concrete evidence that Bonds, Shef, and Giambi received steroids. Any other player is just pure speculation and drivel.

THG is a new designer steroid, it wasn't detectable prior to last summer. Furthermore, there is no evidence to suggest that this drug was used prior to 2001, the earliest records that Balco had them shipped to Bonds. As far as we know, Balco labs created this undetectable steroid, and McGwire/Sosa have no association to Balco anyhow.

How do you know there werent any other designer steriods created by underground labs? You dont...
Its big money to the athletes who get this edge plus the labs that create them. Just because they have concrete evidence against those stated players doesnt mean all the other players that went undetected have not consumed designer steriods.

Sure its speculation but it does not mean all the other players have not consumed a designer steriod.