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Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libyan deployment

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Pens1566 said:
Funny, considering Boehner has questioned it's constitutionality and has voted to repeal it in the past.
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It's still the law on the books and he has a responsiblity to see it followed. Nothing "funny" about it.

To just ignore a law you don't like is seriously bad precedent I don't want to see occur - by any anyone in elected capacity.

Fern
 
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kage69 said:
Care to inform me what in that post is incorrect, or are you just still butthurt over a Dem getting OBL? Or is this a standard reading comprehension issue?
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I don't care if a Dem "got" UBL. Point of fact, that dem was Mr. Pannetta. The trigger pullers were US military, of no particular political party. It was Bobo, the Post Turtle, that for personal political polling points gave away the treasure trove of intel from that mission. Now, that's even worse than amateur, that's dangerous.
 
Fern said:
It's still the law on the books and he has a responsiblity to see it followed. Nothing "funny" about it.

To just ignore a law you don't like is serioulsy bad precedent I don't want to see occur - by any anyone in elected capacity.

Fern
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Excellent point. The rule of law is everything or it is nothing. Pick.
 
kage69 said:
If Obama serves up a scandal the size of the Iraqi WMD adventure and it costs this country thousands of American lives and trillions of our dollars, then you might see some of those bumperstickers.
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will Obamacare count?
 
Jaskalas said:
OBAMA TO CONGRESS: WHAT WAR IN LIBYA?

I think that just about sums up the President's reply. So we should have our troops killing people in other nations based solely on the whim of the President?

I cannot agree to or stand for this. The President must be stopped by Congress.
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Sadly, I have to agree. Our mission is clearly not about protecting civilians, but about regime change. The bit about not being a war because there are no boots on the ground is bullshit too; under that justification, a President would be empowered to use our most lethal weapons systems, literally anything up to nuclear weapons, since there certainly would be no ground troops in that area. Claiming that he can authorize dropping 1,000 lb bombs and Tomahawks as long as he doesn't use soldiers in HMMVWs and MRAPs is just pure arrogance.
 
Jaskalas said:
OBAMA TO CONGRESS: WHAT WAR IN LIBYA?

I think that just about sums up the President's reply. So we should have our troops killing people in other nations based solely on the whim of the President?

I cannot agree to or stand for this. The President must be stopped by Congress.
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Time to take him to court.

I've heard Jonathan Turley, a liberal lawyer, is filing the brief on behalf of Congress to force Obama to comly.

I really don't get Obama's refusal to comply here.

Fern
 
I offer an alternative to stopping all actions in Libya.

Have the Congress pass a declaration of war against Libya to change its government and SWIFTLY end the conflict over there. Full scale military action, invasion, bombing, killing. I'm talking months, where there are no troops or actions left to be taken by the United States military by the end of the year. I want Libya done with by 2012.

If you're going to commit acts of war, you might as well get the job done and do it right. I would oppose us going to war, but that's just me. If the President deserves our support then it should be done WITH the will of the people - by an act of Congress. Is that so much to ask for?

For us to continue action in Libya, I demand Congress vote on whether to declare war.
 
Doesn't sound like we are in a war in Libya. Occasional drone attack is something we do in countries with which we aren't in a state of war, such as Pakistan. Other than that, it's surveillance and logistical support, part of our normal NATO obligations to allies.
 
Fern said:
Time to take him to court.

I've heard Jonathan Turley, a liberal lawyer, is filing the brief on behalf of Congress to force Obama to comly.

I really don't get Obama's refusal to comply here.

Fern
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from what I've read, Kucinich's lawsuit will probably get thrown out on technical grounds, because congress isn't in a position to file such a suit.

time and again, it seems like if you give any president an inch, they'll take a mile. "days, not weeks" has already transformed into 3 months; how long before France asks the UN to send in a peace keeping force?

the US needs to be closing the books on its wars and cutting defense spending, not starting new ones.
 
senseamp said:
Doesn't sound like we are in a war in Libya. Occasional drone attack is something we do in countries with which we aren't in a state of war, such as Pakistan. Other than that, it's surveillance and logistical support, part of our normal NATO obligations to allies.
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Occasional drone attack, what are you talking about? US opened this thing up with cruise missiles and many sorties from aircraft carriers.
 
spidey07 said:
Iraq
Afghanistan
Pock-eee-stan
Libya
Yemen

Israel next, then Syria. All so he can eliminate the jews and bring his muslim brothers to power.
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You really are off your meds. I mean, seriously, talk to your doctor. We all care about you here and we want you to get the help you need.
 
dainthomas said:
LOL at all the conservative doves now that a Dem is the one killing brown people. Where were you ten years ago?
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being hypocrites doesn't make them wrong, as far as I can tell.

I guess I'm probably one of them. I was in favor of the war in Afghanistan and in favor of the war in Iraq... but after 10+ years, I feel like enough is enough. we need to be winding down our wars and cutting defense spending, not getting ourselves entangled in new ones because Sarkozy needed a boost in his poll numbers.
 
Obama says that he doesn't need Congressional approval for this so he doesn't. He's King, like those before him. Don't think so? What will stop him, harsh language?

Yet another reason for "None of the above" as a choice for President.
 
dainthomas said:
LOL at all the conservative doves now that a Dem is the one killing brown people. Where were you ten years ago?
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Congress authorized Afghanistan and Iraq.

It helps to have Bush's failure to learn from. Had I known we had no intention of leaving those countries, I never would have thought it was acceptable to go to there in the first place. War is for killing, except we leave our troops there to BE killed a decade after the principle fighting is over with.

The failures we call leaders do not deserve to oversee combat operations.
 
Lol at people still defending Obama over this shit, hypocritical fuckwads. Where are the marches you stupid hippies? Oh that's right he's "progressive", wears blue and flies a flag with a D on it so nevermind. Keep pointing to the dumbshit republicians because they are so bad it justifies you being bad right? I thought children couldn't vote in this country?
 
bfdd said:
Lol at people still defending Obama over this shit, hypocritical fuckwads. Where are the marches you stupid hippies? Oh that's right he's "progressive", wears blue and flies a flag with a D on it so nevermind. Keep pointing to the dumbshit republicians because they are so bad it justifies you being bad right? I thought children couldn't vote in this country?
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Kind of pointless to compare this to large scale military actions like Vietnam or Iraq. If you want to establish hypocrisy the best comparison would be when Reagan ordered the bombing of Libya in 1986. I was in college at the time and can't recall any protests then, but that doesn't mean they didn't happen.
 
dainthomas said:
LOL at all the liberal hawks now that a Dem is the one killing brown people. Where were you ten years ago?
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That applies equally as well.

Supporting attacks on Libya because "The Messiah" is the perpetrator while pooh-poohing attacks on Afghanistan because "The Devil" was the perpetrator is just as disingenuous.
 
woolfe9999 said:
Kind of pointless to compare this to large scale military actions like Vietnam or Iraq. If you want to establish hypocrisy the best comparison would be when Reagan ordered the bombing of Libya in 1986. I was in college at the time and can't recall any protests then, but that doesn't mean they didn't happen.
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I would agree with you if we weren't already past the deadline granted by the war powers act. I would also agree with you if we weren't lied to on our reasons for doing this. Sorry it's one and the same, your just capable of justifying it to yourself just like some did with those wars.
 
Fern said:
It's still the law on the books and he has a responsiblity to see it followed. Nothing "funny" about it.

To just ignore a law you don't like is seriously bad precedent I don't want to see occur - by any anyone in elected capacity.

Fern
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I'd agree if righteousness was his motivation.
 
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