Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libyan deployment

[nageov3t]

You are joking right? ... Can't tell if serious
Iraq began on March 20, 2003 = Bush
Afghanistan began on October 7, 2001 = Bush

and yet, we're still at war in those countries, right?

Pakistan = We are not at war = fail
Libya = We are participating in a UN resolution "no fly zone"
Yemen = Show me a link detailing our involvement there please.

war isn't the appropriate word, but we're bombing Pakistan, we're bombing Libya, and the Obama administration has intensified the American covert war in Yemen

the merits of all of these military engagements can be debated, but I feel like the constitution intended to give citizens, via congress, a say in how our armies are used.

 

[spidey07]

You are joking right? ... Can't tell if serious
Iraq began on March 20, 2003 = Bush
Afghanistan began on October 7, 2001 = Bush
Pakistan = We are not at war = fail
Libya = We are participating in a UN resolution "no fly zone"
*bwahahahahahahah* Obama's Libya war is actually illegal, Bush got congressional approval for his -spidey
Yemen = Show me a link detailing our involvement there please.

You don't pay attention to the news, I do. I read every single article on AP about this failed presidency. Just google, first thing that came up. LA slimes no less.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-yemen-drones-20110615,0,7880535.story

What next? You gonna say flying drones and attacking a sovereign country is A-OK? What you don't get is I'm using the left's tactics against them.

 

[Lemon law]

Jhhnn has got a fine start by pointing out, "I finally figured it out- Spidey is Don Quixote's evil twin, transposed in space & time... born in fiction, living in delusion."

But please Jhhnn, finish the analogy, Spidey is born in fiction, living in delusion, and always tilting at imaginary windmills.

There, fixed it for you.

 

[Skitzer]

You don't pay attention to the news, I do. I read every single article on AP about this failed presidency. Just google, first thing that came up. LA slimes no less.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-yemen-drones-20110615,0,7880535.story

What next? You gonna say flying drones and attacking a sovereign country is A-OK? What you don't get is I'm using the left's tactics against them.

Targets in Yemen are Al Qaeda, you have a problem with that?
It was Ok when Bush targeted Al Qaeda but if Obama does it it's wrong?
I would have figured that you of all people would be pleased we are still killing terrorists. Am I wrong?

 

[CPA]

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While technically true, GWB not only lied his damn ass to congress, he also lied to the international community.

As a result, the little boy who cried wolf has done irreparable damage to US foreign policy and American credibility. I had hoped Obama would do more to repair the damage, but being wishy washy ain't getting the job done. You can't try to be a slightly smarter GWB without getting the same GWB s**t sucking results.

And your savior lied his ass off during his campaign stating that he would withdraw our soldiers from Iraq within 16 months after the election.

 

[Lemon law]

And now spidey really shows his hypocrisy by saying, "What next? You gonna say flying drones and attacking a sovereign country is A-OK? What you don't get is I'm using the left's tactics against them."

As Spidey is too clever by half, as he at best only proves the GWB and Obama are equally repugnant. What a fine propaganda tool for the GOP, especially when GWB is the first to be sent to the Hague. But for a fine pieces of work, Obama can't hold a candle to the GOP, as I will see Obama and GWB, and raise you Dick Cheney, really sleezy Rice, not to mention Dumsfeld, Dick Hadley, Hank the Crank Paulson, Gonzales, and so many other GOP moral bankrupts.

 

[ProfJohn]

The War Powers Act is probably unconstitutional which is why EVERY president tends to ignore the thing.

About the only thing congress can do is threaten to cut funds, but even that is questionable since the President is commander and chief etc etc.

Boehner just needs to push Obama to give more details and provide the American people with more details on our goals and objectives. What is our exit strategy etc etc.

 

[spidey07]

Targets in Yemen are Al Qaeda, you have a problem with that?
It was Ok when Bush targeted Al Qaeda but if Obama does it it's wrong?
I would have figured that you of all people would be pleased we are still killing terrorists. Am I wrong?

Not at all. You see my use of "illegal war". I'm using the libtard language against them for they are the true enemy.

 

[YoungGun21]

So Bush starts an illegal war and now it is Obama's illegal war.

I completely understand.

 

[nageov3t]

So Bush starts an illegal war and now it is Obama's illegal war.

I completely understand.

what does Bush have to do with the Libyan engagement?

 

[YoungGun21]

what does Bush have to do with the Libyan engagement?

Nothing at all.

Was referring to Iraq/Afghanistan obviously.

 

[OutHouse]

Targets in Yemen are Al Qaeda, you have a problem with that?
It was Ok when Bush targeted Al Qaeda but if Obama does it it's wrong?
I would have figured that you of all people would be pleased we are still killing terrorists. Am I wrong?

The US has turned into a war mongrel and I dont like it one bit. Enough is enough, its time to end these engagements.

 

[nageov3t]

Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya

A bipartisan group of House members announced on Wednesday that it is filing a lawsuit charging that President Obama made an illegal end-run around Congress when he approved U.S military action against Libya.

“With regard to the war in Libya, we believe that the law was violated. We have asked the courts to move to protect the American people from the results of these illegal policies,” said Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), who led the 10-member anti-war coalition with Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.)...

The Kucinich-Jones group also includes Democrats John Conyers of Michigan and Michael Capuano of Massachusetts and Republicans Howard Coble of North Carolina, John Duncan of Tennessee, Roscoe Bartlett of Maryland, Ron Paul of Texas, Tim Johnson of Illinois and Dan Burton of Indiana.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57032.html

 

[Dman8777]

8 years ago, the hawks in the US couldn't wait to dust off the smart bombs and get started in Iraq. Nobody really believed all the WMD BS but there were seemingly plenty of other good reasons to get rid of him anyway.

Now there's a civil war and potential genocide in Libya and the hawks are bitching about congressional approval.

Obama could hold a press conference tomorrow and tell the world he is actually a republican. That's how centrist his politics have been to this point. If he actually was a republican, would the hawks still be bitching about this?

 

[nageov3t]

just because they're hypocrites, that doesn't make them incorrect.

 

[kage69]

Yet Bush got approval from Congress before he acted in Iraq after months of debate.

Silly Obama.

No cherry picked intel, no using known liars as sources, no fear and doubt PR blitz, feh - all it got him was a crazy dictator looking for the door, and without any spilled American blood.

Fuckin amateur.

 

[a777pilot]

Silly Obama.

No cherry picked intel, no using known liars as sources, no fear and doubt PR blitz, feh - all it got him was a crazy dictator looking for the door, and without any spilled American blood.

Fuckin amateur.

Fuckin amateur.

Well, you got that part right.

 

[kage69]

Not at all. You see my use of "illegal war". I'm using the libtard language against them for they are the true enemy.

Wow.

I used to just suspect you were a sorry excuse for a person and an American. Now I'm convinced of it.

Disagreement is fine, but when you start labeling Americans who see things differently than you as "the true enemies" well I'm pretty sure that makes you a gigantic flaming douchebag.

Get help.

 

[amish]

how come there are no "obama lied and people died" bumperstickers?

he said that he would pull all the troops out of Iraq and Afganistan, but people are still dying there.

people are dying in Libya from US bombs. but he said that:

The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.

in pakistan he is just keeping up the status quo of bombing whoever we want. can't fault him there. same for Yemen.

getting involved in a civil war is what bothered me. it sets a strange precedent where we pick and choose who to be mad at and who not to be. we aren't touching Syria eventhough there are humanitarian issues there.

also we have a crappy record with civil strife in Africa. the sooner we are out the better.

 

[kage69]

Well, you got that part right.

Care to inform me what in that post is incorrect, or are you just still butthurt over a Dem getting OBL? Or is this a standard reading comprehension issue?

Really, so what strings did Obama pull to "invade" Libya? Was there a 'SpitBall' he chose to believe even after we and our allies knew him/her to be a liar? Where was the media campaign to inform the populace on the danger Ghaddafi posed to us by allying with those he hated? What did Obama name his shake-n-bake intel office when the CIA didn't give him the answers he wanted to hear?



With "pros" like Cheney and his puppet Bush, being called an amateur is a huge compliment.

 

[kage69]

how come there are no "obama lied and people died" bumperstickers?

he said that he would pull all the troops out of Iraq and Afganistan, but people are still dying there.

Wait a second. Are you really trying to compare the Bush admin's legacy of dishonesty, failure, and fascist tendencies to Obama dealing with the reality that you don't just pack up from a war zone and vamoose on or by a date announced to all, even the enemy?
We've been scaling down over there for sometime, and it will continue. Have news for you though, people will be dying over there regardless of our presence. Be happy that Obama isn't building a permanent military base in Iraq, and that he's been taking the horribly named WoT quite seriously.

If Obama serves up a scandal the size of the Iraqi WMD adventure and it costs this country thousands of American lives and trillions of our dollars, then you might see some of those bumperstickers.

 

[Fern]

The War Powers Act is probably unconstitutional.....

Why would you say that?

It's been a long time since I researched the issue, but my recollection coincides with Obama's:

The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent.

The WPA looks to be an advanced limited-type approval by Congress. Now I suppose the SCOTUS could strike it down saying it's effectively an abdication of Congress's power/responsibility (similar to how they ruled against giving the President line-item veto), however in no case would that make Obama's unapproved/unilateral military action legal under the Constitution.

IMO, if the WPA were to ruled unconstitutional the President would be an even shorter leash as far as starting military action/war.

Fern

 

[Fern]

8 years ago, the hawks in the US couldn't wait to dust off the smart bombs and get started in Iraq. Nobody really believed all the WMD BS but there were seemingly plenty of other good reasons to get rid of him anyway.

Now there's a civil war and potential genocide in Libya and the hawks are bitching about congressional approval.

Obama could hold a press conference tomorrow and tell the world he is actually a republican. That's how centrist his politics have been to this point. If he actually was a republican, would the hawks still be bitching about this?

They have to "bitch about congressional approval." It's their responsibility to the institution of Congress itself.

Far too often we criticize Congress (justifiably) for failing their duties and dodging responsibilities. If they just looked the other way here most of us would criticize them (again justifiably IMO) for shirking their responsibility and trying to avoid any responsibility for Libya.

Edit: BTW, most have dropped the whole "we're trying to save lives" line of argument after Obama came out and said the goal is to remove Qaddafy and then refused to consider a cease fire as Qaddafy proposed. If you want to save lives a cease fire is your objective.

IDK why we're there, I think very few do. I am begining to suspect this refusal to comply is because he doesn't want to explain it for some reason.

Fern

 

[Pens1566]

Funny, considering Boehner has questioned it's constitutionality and has voted to repeal it in the past.

 

[OutHouse]

Wait a second. Are you really trying to compare the Bush admin's legacy of dishonesty, failure, and fascist tendencies to Obama dealing with the reality that you don't just pack up from a war zone and vamoose on or by a date announced to all, even the enemy?
We've been scaling down over there for sometime, and it will continue. Have news for you though, people will be dying over there regardless of our presence. Be happy that Obama isn't building a permanent military base in Iraq, and that he's been taking the horribly named WoT quite seriously.

If Obama serves up a scandal the size of the Iraqi WMD adventure and it costs this country thousands of American lives and trillions of our dollars, then you might see some of those bumperstickers.

Honestly yes, obama is more of a war hound than bush. Bombing other countries on a whim is criminal. Lybia didnt attack us or nato but we are killing them... I have a huge problem with that. Your post makes it sound like its all cool with you as long as its cheap and no americans are killed. Sorry but thts just sick.