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"Bodybuilding" routine

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Eric62: thanks for the reasonable reply and being man enough to apologize. I was worried I was jumping into a flame war and I'm happy to see it's turning out as a reasonable discussion 🙂

Originally posted by: Eric62
1) I joined AnandTech Forums thinking none of you lifted weights, and everybody knew more about computers. I've enjoyed the learning experience.
My basic routine and training strategy will work for anybody. At least for awhile. Then it would need to be tailored towards your individual goals, recovery ability, personality, ect. I think that can also be said for most other routines.
I'll repeat (just one more time - honest) that any routine structured around the 7 day week is flawed, as it's a man created measure of time with no natural basis. All routines based on the 7 day week are used for convenience - not for optimal results. 'Nuff said.

The argument about tailoring training towards a 7 day week is an interesting one and you're probably right: I'd also guess it's less than optimal. Of course, exactly how much less and if that amount is worth sacrificing the convenience of an exercise schedule that fits into normal life is an important question. Interestingly enough, Crossfit's default schedule is 3 days on, 1 day off, with no attention whatsoever paid to a 7 day week, holidays, or anything else.

Originally posted by: Eric62
3) I first read about the 5x5 two decades ago in a article written by Bill Starr in MMI magazine. Like fashion styles, it keeps coming back. Obviously it works for many, otherwise it would have been discarded long ago. Not aware of the people you mentioned being world class powerlifters/bodybuilders, or having trained any? Like you said that's not the target audience here.
There is a brief bio about each of the guys I mentioned on this page, but I think Pendlay and Rippetoe are both known for being very successful at training beginner and intermediate lifters (high school & college level), and not world class athletes. Of course, given the target audience of this message board, their experience tends to be very appropriate.

Originally posted by: Eric62
I'm not against any routine that produces results. I am against every routine that produces overuse injuries and illnesses (weakened immune system from overtraining). If that doesn't apply to you - fantastic!
No argument here.

Originally posted by: Eric62
4) Coaches (and personal trainers) are for people who can't (OR don't want to) learn for themselves, and think for themselves. Nothing wrong with that. Just doesn't suit my personality. I won't comment on football coaches who have their players doing half squats...

The "coaches" i was referring to were actually the previously mentioned Bill Starr, Glenn Pendlay and Mark Rippetoe (and also Dan John, who I left out). All of these guys have considerable experience under their belts with competitive weightlifting and athletics, but later in their careers changed their focus to training others. For the relative newcomer to weightlifting, all of these "coaches", as well as many others, recommend a routine that typically involves squatting 3 timers per week, and I tend to trust their judgment.

 
Oh, haha, and randomly btw to Eric:

I was just going through the Goals for 2008 thread and found that Koing (a highly ranked olympic lifter in Great Britain) stated:

"CF for winter season would be okay, but your training would be different if you wanted to focus on your sprint times. As is mine because I focus on OLifting. NO ONE squats 3x a week, thats overkill for most people's needs, but it required for me. But you want a variety and to do it for fun. I rock climb on Tuesday for fun. My coach is fine with this as it is between lifting evenings on Mon and Wednesday."

Random example I know, but just wanted to show that some people at high levels still do stuff like that.
 
As long as we're quoting Koing:

Originally posted by: Koing
My little bro who is 13 is 2yrs running British WeightLifting champ for his age and weight class. He front squats 50kg x 3reps! Bw is 46kg and he has Snatched 40Kg and C&J 50kg at his last comp! HE DID NOT LIFT HEAVY when he started. Get your bro on high rep work: 12reps x 3sets for 2months. Check his form and don't let him lift heavy. The reps and sets scheme is designed to get him use to the weight, the exercise (it is a skill, like kicking a football etc) and it will help condition his tendons and joint to take the heavier weights. Later drop it down to 8reps x 4sets, 2months later crack on to 6reps x 5sets or whatever heavier rep and sets you want. People forget that my bro lifted with a BROOM STICK when he started training. My little bro is a CONDITIONED ATHLETE that has had supervised coaching for the last 2yrs and he has clocked in 400hrs of training with a coach. He NEVER lifts alone. He is too young and could possibly do stupid stuff. A few other kids at the club tend to try much heavier weights when the coaches are not watching!

So it's not new to advocate high-reps training for beginners, and I'm not the only one doing it.
 
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