Eric62: thanks for the reasonable reply and being man enough to apologize. I was worried I was jumping into a flame war and I'm happy to see it's turning out as a reasonable discussion 🙂
The argument about tailoring training towards a 7 day week is an interesting one and you're probably right: I'd also guess it's less than optimal. Of course, exactly how much less and if that amount is worth sacrificing the convenience of an exercise schedule that fits into normal life is an important question. Interestingly enough, Crossfit's default schedule is 3 days on, 1 day off, with no attention whatsoever paid to a 7 day week, holidays, or anything else.
The "coaches" i was referring to were actually the previously mentioned Bill Starr, Glenn Pendlay and Mark Rippetoe (and also Dan John, who I left out). All of these guys have considerable experience under their belts with competitive weightlifting and athletics, but later in their careers changed their focus to training others. For the relative newcomer to weightlifting, all of these "coaches", as well as many others, recommend a routine that typically involves squatting 3 timers per week, and I tend to trust their judgment.
Originally posted by: Eric62
1) I joined AnandTech Forums thinking none of you lifted weights, and everybody knew more about computers. I've enjoyed the learning experience.
My basic routine and training strategy will work for anybody. At least for awhile. Then it would need to be tailored towards your individual goals, recovery ability, personality, ect. I think that can also be said for most other routines.
I'll repeat (just one more time - honest) that any routine structured around the 7 day week is flawed, as it's a man created measure of time with no natural basis. All routines based on the 7 day week are used for convenience - not for optimal results. 'Nuff said.
The argument about tailoring training towards a 7 day week is an interesting one and you're probably right: I'd also guess it's less than optimal. Of course, exactly how much less and if that amount is worth sacrificing the convenience of an exercise schedule that fits into normal life is an important question. Interestingly enough, Crossfit's default schedule is 3 days on, 1 day off, with no attention whatsoever paid to a 7 day week, holidays, or anything else.
There is a brief bio about each of the guys I mentioned on this page, but I think Pendlay and Rippetoe are both known for being very successful at training beginner and intermediate lifters (high school & college level), and not world class athletes. Of course, given the target audience of this message board, their experience tends to be very appropriate.Originally posted by: Eric62
3) I first read about the 5x5 two decades ago in a article written by Bill Starr in MMI magazine. Like fashion styles, it keeps coming back. Obviously it works for many, otherwise it would have been discarded long ago. Not aware of the people you mentioned being world class powerlifters/bodybuilders, or having trained any? Like you said that's not the target audience here.
No argument here.Originally posted by: Eric62
I'm not against any routine that produces results. I am against every routine that produces overuse injuries and illnesses (weakened immune system from overtraining). If that doesn't apply to you - fantastic!
Originally posted by: Eric62
4) Coaches (and personal trainers) are for people who can't (OR don't want to) learn for themselves, and think for themselves. Nothing wrong with that. Just doesn't suit my personality. I won't comment on football coaches who have their players doing half squats...
The "coaches" i was referring to were actually the previously mentioned Bill Starr, Glenn Pendlay and Mark Rippetoe (and also Dan John, who I left out). All of these guys have considerable experience under their belts with competitive weightlifting and athletics, but later in their careers changed their focus to training others. For the relative newcomer to weightlifting, all of these "coaches", as well as many others, recommend a routine that typically involves squatting 3 timers per week, and I tend to trust their judgment.