Bob Woodward - No Lies found

[fskimospy]

Both Republicans and Democrats hold disproportionately wrong opinions about facts when faced with ideologically inconvenient information. Such is the human condition. However, my point was that Republicans are generally better informed than Democrats.

And my point is that who is 'better informed' depends strongly on the questions being asked. This is not necessarily indicative of bias on the part of the questioner, but also simply what is in the news at the time. There's a lot of literature on this effect.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Clearly the fact that a greater percentage of Republicans know that Common Core is an education standard means they are better informed about it and has nothing to do with the Rightwing noise machine constantly spewing BS, I mean, "information" about it.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Anonymous internet forum posters declaring Woodward to be irrelevant. The irony is so precious.

They wouldn't be saying that if Woodward came out with conclusive proof that Bush was pulling the strings all along. And these are the morons that believe Obama when he does his usual 'Well, I heard about it in the news just all of you and I'm just as mad as you are' shtick.

 

[Jhhnn]

Apparently the same one dramacrats use.

Hillary voted for the use of force. But then she was skeptical. Now she is vocally against it.

Nobody likes the feelings they get from realizing they've been hornswaggled. Righties avoid the feeling by avoiding the realization. They just keep on believing.

It's not like Libs don't want to move on, it's just that it's really irresponsible to do so when so many of our fellow citizens still believe in lies leaving all of us vulnerable to more war mongering. There's plenty of that still going around, largely from the same quarters that led us to Iraq. The harder folks believe we weren't screwed last time the more it makes the next time easier.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It's not like Libs don't want to move on, it's just that it's really irresponsible to do so when so many of our fellow citizens still believe in lies leaving all of us vulnerable to more war mongering.

Lies like what? That a military surge in Afghanistan would work? That genocide was imminent in Libya? Or are you limiting your lies to Iraq only?

There's plenty of that still going around, ...

Yep...nothing much has changed.

...largely from the same quarters that led us to Iraq.

Yep....more than a few Democrats supported all these disasters.

 

[finglobes]

Woodward - a lion for liberals for decades - has also spoken out in the past and been defamed by current media which is more Marxistish than liberal. I recall when Woodward complained how secretive Obama admin was, and that "the commander-in-chief’s decision not to deploy an aircraft carrier because of budget cuts is 'a kind of madness.'” Woodward was toxic after that

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/bob-woodward-blasts-obama-madness-88160.html

 

[Jhhnn]

Pew says GOP is more open-minded and better informed.

http://www.pewresearch.org/2010/11/...itics-economics-but-struggles-with-specifics/

Quote the passage about being more open minded. I can't find it.

As to being better informed, half of Repubs believe we really, really did find WMD's in Iraq-

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/poll-republicans-wmds-iraq-114016.html

Go figure.

 

[Jhhnn]

Lies like what? That a military surge in Afghanistan would work? That genocide was imminent in Libya? Or are you limiting your lies to Iraq only?


Yep...nothing much has changed.


Yep....more than a few Democrats supported all these disasters.

Desperate to duh-vert, I see.

Leadership matters, particularly in times of stress, like in the wake of 9/11. The whole country naturally turned to the Bush Admin to find it and was ruthlessly exploited to serve a Neocon war mongering agenda. That's really what happened.

We got screwed by the people we trusted & we, as a people, need to owe up to that so it won't be as easy next time.

 

[Jhhnn]

Woodward - a lion for liberals for decades - has also spoken out in the past and been defamed by current media which is more Marxistish than liberal. I recall when Woodward complained how secretive Obama admin was, and that "the commander-in-chief’s decision not to deploy an aircraft carrier because of budget cuts is 'a kind of madness.'” Woodward was toxic after that

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/bob-woodward-blasts-obama-madness-88160.html

You're obviously delusional when accusing the corporate media of being "Marxistish".

The rest is just scattershot FUD.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Quote the passage about being more open minded. I can't find it.

My bad. That was a different Pew study regarding social media.

http://www.pewinternet.org/2012/03/12/main-findings-10/

As to being better informed, half of Repubs believe we really, really did find WMD's in Iraq-

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/poll-republicans-wmds-iraq-114016.html

Go figure.

Democrats do this stupid shit too, e.g. believing that Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks beforehand. What can we conclude other than some people are really fucked up regardless of political ideology?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...lieve_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

 

[rudeguy]

Desperate to duh-vert, I see.

Leadership matters, particularly in times of stress, like in the wake of 9/11. The whole country naturally turned to the Bush Admin to find it and was ruthlessly exploited to serve a Neocon war mongering agenda. That's really what happened.

We got screwed by the people we trusted & we, as a people, need to owe up to that so it won't be as easy next time.

Please explain why you resort to spelling like a moron when you feel threatened?

 

[nickqt]

Please explain why you resort to spelling like a moron when you feel threatened?

1. Your "question" isn't actually a question. You should lose the question mark at the end and replace it with a period.

2. Please explain why you resort to focusing on irrelevant grammar rules when you have no way to refute what was said.

 

[Blackjack200]

Democrats do this stupid shit too, e.g. believing that Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks beforehand. What can we conclude other than some people are really fucked up regardless of political ideology?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...lieve_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

Is it possible that these Democrats misinterepreted the question? Maybe they said yes because Bush knew that Bin Laden was 'determined to strike in the United States'?

Oh wait, that's silly. Bush didn't get that CIA report. Congress did.

 

[blankslate]

I could have sworn the Democrats not only had the Whitehouse as well as both houses in 2009/2010 and didn't press any charges against those who provided bad intelligence. Not to mention no one was really held responsible for the financial debacle of 2008. Guess the Democrats lacked the political will to do either or was afraid it would cost them their seats.

I groaned inwardly when Representative Pelosi addressed this issue when questioned about it with something along the lines of "We're looking forward not backward"... probably in lockstep with the incoming administration.

Because of this lack of investigation people will always excuse those who were involved in the worst foreign policy mistake by the U.S.A. in recent history... perhaps in all of U.S. history.

It's also possible for Woodward to be right about one thing and wrong about another.



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[soundforbjt]

From Woodward's wiki page:

Woodward believed the Bush administration's claims of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction prior to the war. During an appearance on Larry King Live, he was asked by a telephone caller, "Suppose we go to war and go into Iraq and there are no weapons of mass destruction", Woodward responded "I think the chance of that happening is about zero. There's just too much there."[16] Woodward later admitted his error saying, "I think I dropped the ball here. I should have pushed much, much harder on the skepticism about the reality of WMD; in other words, [I should have] said, 'Hey, look, the evidence is not as strong as they were claiming.'"[17]

 

[Atreus21]

Because of this lack of investigation people will always excuse those who were involved in the worst foreign policy mistake by the U.S.A. in recent history... perhaps in all of U.S. history.

Negative.

 

[Jhhnn]

My bad. That was a different Pew study regarding social media.

http://www.pewinternet.org/2012/03/12/main-findings-10/


Democrats do this stupid shit too, e.g. believing that Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks beforehand. What can we conclude other than some people are really fucked up regardless of political ideology?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...lieve_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

Your new link in no way supports your assertion about "open mindedness" other than through mental gymnastics on your part, apparently why you don't quote it, either.

You're a jerk for putting it out there the way you have, making me read it to find out you're full of shit in the first place. Your fellow travelers will believe you right away & not bother to read, of course, as intended.

Not to mention the false equivalency of what a minority of Dems believed 8 years ago and what a majority of Repubs believe today.

I seriously doubt you'd get the same from Dems today, 12 years after the invasion vs 3 years.

Righties, OTOH, keep getting reinforcement as to the innocence of the Bushistas through various media outlets & will grasp at any of them to maintain belief.

 

[Jhhnn]

Please explain why you resort to spelling like a moron when you feel threatened?

To mock you, fool.

 

[rudeguy]

To mock you, fool.

Oh how I miss 3rd grade.

 

[fskimospy]

Negative.

It's pretty up there though, you have to admit.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh how I miss 3rd grade.

How many years did you spend there to establish residency?

 

[rudeguy]

How many years did you spend there to establish residency?

You're so witty!

Idiot

 

[Bowfinger]

Oh how I miss 3rd grade.

Best five years of your life. Ba da bum!

Just kidding.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Your new link in no way supports your assertion about "open mindedness" other than through mental gymnastics on your part, apparently why you don't quote it, either.

You're a jerk for putting it out there the way you have, making me read it to find out you're full of shit in the first place. Your fellow travelers will believe you right away & not bother to read, of course, as intended.

Not to mention the false equivalency of what a minority of Dems believed 8 years ago and what a majority of Repubs believe today.

I seriously doubt you'd get the same from Dems today, 12 years after the invasion vs 3 years.

Righties, OTOH, keep getting reinforcement as to the innocence of the Bushistas through various media outlets & will grasp at any of them to maintain belief.

Conservatives are significantly more tolerant of those with different political beliefs. Not sure how you missed that. The studies I've cited are relatively recent. Sorry for making you read something...I'm such a jerk!

Liberals are the most likely to have taken each of these steps to block, unfriend, or hide. In all, 28% of liberals have blocked, unfriended, or hidden someone on SNS because of one of these reasons, compared with 16% of conservatives and 14% of moderates.

 

[fskimospy]

Conservatives are significantly more tolerant of those with different political beliefs. Not sure how you missed that. The studies I've cited are relatively recent. Sorry for making you read something...I'm such a jerk!

A few things:

1. Tolerance and open mindedness are not the same thing. Studies have repeatedly shown liberals are more comfortable with mixed solutions and ambiguity than conservatives are. That seems to more closely resemble being open minded than who you choose to block on Facebook. (Neither one really covers the true measure though, which would be actually changing your mind)

2. Pretty huge problem with the conclusion you are drawing anyway, which is that it assumes opinions are presented symmetrically. For example: a liberal position on gay rights might be "gay people should be able to adopt kids" while a conservative opinion on gay adoption has actually been "gay men shouldn't be able to adopt because they are more likely to be pedophiles".

It could be that liberals are less open minded, but that is very flimsy evidence to hang it on. Sorry to burst your bubble.