Bob Woodward - No Lies found

[dank69]

Who cares if they are synonyms? That just means they are similar, it doesn't mean they are exactly the same. You can be tolerant without being open-minded. You can be open-minded without being tolerant. You can be tolerant of some things and be intolerant of other things.

FFS, tolerant means you accept that other people think/behave differently than you do and accept that but has nothing to do with changing your own views. Open-minded means you are open to changing your own views.

 

[HomerJS]

So we are supposed to ignore what happened because of some made up timeframe? Saddam was still in power wasn't he? Saddam had already shown he had the capability and the resolve to use WMD's hadn't he?

So we are just supposed to ignore those facts because they don't fit your agenda? How is one to give these a shelf life if they don't know what state they were in or when they were created?

There was no "lie" about nukes. It was an overstatement by our intelligence agencies. One that people apparently interpreted incorrectly. Anyway, its not like Iraq couldn't have gotten them just like he got chemical weapons.

Hindsight is 20/20.

There was a lie about nukes. Former Deputy Director of the CIA Mike Morrell confirmed Dick Cheney lied when he went on Meet The Press and claimed Saddam had reconstituted his nuclear weapons. MM had a job to brief POTUS.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

And now, the splitting of the finest of hairs. The only chemical weapons found were some misplaced & some lost in in the chaos of combat.

Anything to maintain belief, no matter how absurd.

Just stating the facts.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yep, keep it up. Dick.

How can I admit to be wrong about how you look at something different from me? Oh because you are a dick.

Does the legislative branch of our government not have their own sources of intelligence?

You can't admit to being irrational because you're irrational, because you're emotionally committed to defending the Bush Admin & the ideology they represent.

See how that works?

 

[xBiffx]

There was a lie about nukes. Former Deputy Director of the CIA Mike Morrell confirmed Dick Cheney lied when he went on Meet The Press and claimed Saddam had reconstituted his nuclear weapons. MM had a job to brief POTUS.

Uh huh...so one person says another person is lying. That's supposed to be proof of something, especially intent to deceive? Any other evidence that Cheney was lying there, other than one man's opinion? People say wrong things all the time, that doesn't mean they are lying.

 

[fskimospy]

They made statements that were left to interpretation, nothing more. Whether that was intentional, who knows. A lie would require intent.

That is not what the report said.

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

There are large numbers of statements listed here where statements by the Bush administration about Iraq were either not supported by the intelligence or, more importantly directly contradicted by it.

That's called a lie.

 

[xBiffx]

You can't admit to being irrational because you're irrational, because you're emotionally committed to defending the Bush Admin & the ideology they represent.

See how that works?

LOL, guess you don't know how to read. I don't give two shits about Bush and his admin. I never once voted for it.

Duh-vert some more please.

 

[fskimospy]

Yep, keep it up. Dick.

How can I admit to be wrong about how you look at something different from me? Oh because you are a dick.

Does the legislative branch of our government not have their own sources of intelligence?

You said that the legislature had as much intelligence or even more than the executive. No one who had a clue about intelligence would say that. How about this, find a single solitary member of Congress who has ever made such a claim. Just one.

Then you said it was ridiculous to assume that the intelligence committees didn't commit multiple felonies by sharing intelligence information to people without security clearances, etc.

You're clueless about how intelligence works and it's pathetic that you can't just admit that you talked a lot of shit about it that was wrong.

(Also no, Congress does not have its own intelligence service.)

 

[xBiffx]

That is not what the report said.

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

There are large numbers of statements listed here where statements by the Bush administration about Iraq were either not supported by the intelligence or, more importantly directly contradicted by it.

That's called a lie.

Wow, you are stretching. That report clearly states that it was the fault of the intelligence community. It also acknowledges that shit happens with intelligence sometimes.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just stating the facts.

In a deliberately misleading way, of course.

If the Iraqi military had functional chemical weapons they likely would have been used in an attempt to repulse the existential threat of the American invasion. They had nothing to lose in doing so.

Obviously, that's not what happened, forcing even GWB to admit that they were, at best, "mistaken" about Iraqi wmd's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSN-Kku_rFE

He's dancing really hard there, huh? I do like the way he points out that Iraq had the capability of making poison gas, a capability held by any society capable of manufacturing insecticides. He was just stating facts, too.

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL, guess you don't know how to read. I don't give two shits about Bush and his admin. I never once voted for it.

Duh-vert some more please.

Then why do you defend their obvious lies?

 

[xBiffx]

Blah blah blah

Keep it up.

I find it hilarious that you think you know everything about intelligence yet keep saying that Congress doesn't have sources to collect it yet there are members who would go to jail if they spoke to other members about it. Well played.

It's pretty awesome watching you puff up.

 

[xBiffx]

Then why do you defend their obvious lies?

Defend? Only obvious to a hack such as yourself. I lay the blame on Congress just as much as the administration.

 

[fskimospy]

Wow, you are stretching. That report clearly states that it was the fault of the intelligence community.

That is not at all what the report says.

If you would like a summary of the findings you can read it here:

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB254/

 

[Jhhnn]

Keep it up.

I find it hilarious that you think you know everything about intelligence yet keep saying that Congress doesn't have sources to collect it yet there are members who would go to jail if they spoke to other members about it. Well played.

It's pretty awesome watching you puff up.

Yes, they'd go to jail for unauthorized disclosure of information furnished exclusively by the Executive branch. See how that works?

 

[xBiffx]

Yes, they'd go to jail for unauthorized disclosure of information furnished exclusively by the Executive branch. See how that works?

LOL.

 

[bshole]

In a deliberately misleading way, of course.

If the Iraqi military had functional chemical weapons they likely would have been used in an attempt to repulse the existential threat of the American invasion. They had nothing to lose in doing so.

Obviously, that's not what happened, forcing even GWB to admit that they were, at best, "mistaken" about Iraqi wmd's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSN-Kku_rFE

He's dancing really hard there, huh? I do like the way he points out that Iraq had the capability of making poison gas, a capability held by any society capable of manufacturing insecticides. He was just stating facts, too.

So can you explain why he hasn't been dragged before an international tribunal or US court. Are American presidents shielded from any crime at all? This was the clearest criminal act of any President in my lifetime and yet criminal prosecution is broached by nobody either in the US or abroad. I don't understand it at all.

 

[fskimospy]

Keep it up.

I find it hilarious that you think you know everything about intelligence yet keep saying that Congress doesn't have sources to collect it yet there are members who would go to jail if they spoke to other members about it. Well played.

It's pretty awesome watching you puff up.

I don't know everything about intelligence, but I do know enough to tell you that what you wrote was hilariously wrong.

You do know that you can go to jail for releasing intelligence to unauthorized people that you didn't collect yourself, right? Oh wait, of course you don't, because you're clueless but too proud to admit it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

In a deliberately misleading way, of course.

If the Iraqi military had functional chemical weapons they likely would have been used in an attempt to repulse the existential threat of the American invasion. They had nothing to lose in doing so.

Obviously, that's not what happened, forcing even GWB to admit that they were, at best, "mistaken" about Iraqi wmd's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSN-Kku_rFE

He's dancing really hard there, huh? I do like the way he points out that Iraq had the capability of making poison gas, a capability held by any society capable of manufacturing insecticides. He was just stating facts, too.

Making a simple statement of fact is being deliberately misleading? Even when I explicitly qualified that statement with the fact that no active WMD program existed? Wow. I don't know what to say except I don't think you're capable of communicating on a rational level.

 

[Jhhnn]

Defend? Only obvious to a hack such as yourself. I lay the blame on Congress just as much as the administration.

Victim blaming. How quaint.

Congress and the American people were both deliberately deceived.

 

[xBiffx]

That is not at all what the report says.

If you would like a summary of the findings you can read it here:

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB254/

Thanks, I can read just fine. It clearly states that nothing is perfect with intelligence. It clearly states that the intelligence community either overstated or stated information that wasn't supported. It doesn't attribute that to one person, or one thing, either.

 

[xBiffx]

Victim blaming. How quaint.

Congress and the American people were both deliberately deceived.

Keep on hacking away. You get the government you deserve when you defend negligence like you are. Sorry if I expect more. Not that its going to happen anytime soon with morons like you at the voting booth.

 

[Jhhnn]

Making a simple statement of fact is being deliberately misleading? Even when I explicitly qualified that statement with the fact that no active WMD program existed? Wow. I don't know what to say except I don't think you're capable of communicating on a rational level.

You merely attempted to hedge against the truth.

 

[fskimospy]

Making a simple statement of fact is being deliberately misleading? Even when I explicitly qualified that statement with the fact that no active WMD program existed? Wow. I don't know what to say except I don't think you're capable of communicating on a rational level.

You would also probably want to qualify it with the fact that the WMD that were found bore no resemblance to what was described by the Bush administration and were old, basically useless, and likely the result of accidental oversight by Saddam.

 

[Jhhnn]

Thanks, I can read just fine. It clearly states that nothing is perfect with intelligence. It clearly states that the intelligence community either overstated or stated information that wasn't supported. It doesn't attribute that to one person, or one thing, either.

Yes, underlings strive to give the boss what he wants & to tell him what he wants to hear. It's always been that way.