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BMW E60 5-Series sales down...
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AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
Anyone expect something else?
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
IIRC they actually "kicked him upstairs" by promoting him to Chief of Design, and his successor is a Bangle disciple.
BMW's design turn really is mystifying to me. The E39 was arguably the greatest sedan ever produced, but now every buyer has to "settle" for a swoopy, goofy-looking successor, complete with iDrive. I am a huge BMW guy, but other than the availability of a manual, there is nothing that would make me consider the 5 series over an E-class.
Goosemaster
Lifer
Yep. A true great is losing its greatness.🙁
FrustratedUser
Lifer
Bangle blows.
GTaudiophile
Lifer
I argue Styling is not THE issue keeping buyers away. It's iDrive. Go read some BMW car forums. iDrive is based off of WinCE I think, and literally everytime something goes wrong, from the cruise control not working to the radio not keeping presets, the car has to go in for a software upgrade. Imagine if you had to take your car in to the shop as often as you ran Windows Update at home. It's a headache UNDER warranty, and I can't imagine how expensive it would be otherwise.
Recent post at roadfly.org by a BMW 645 owner ($75K car):
Haven't gone back in yet to get the missing voice function fixed (lost it when I went to version 13.0) as I'm waiting for 13.3 to arrive momentarily and will get that at the same time. We're hoping that'll take care of the I-drive problem, but will see.
From another 645 owner:
Software version 13.2 is supposed to help keep the Rollover Protection Fault from coming on erroneously.
From another:
I have had my car for only 350 miles, but long enough now to have noticed an undercurrent of minor computer malfunctions. Lost presets, trunk malfunction, volume control doesn't work, all sound suddenly gone. All transient, but present long enough to be a nuisance and to know they will recur and at some unpredictable time be a major problem...I am left with a feeling that for a car of $80-90 K US, that this car/computer was not ready for release. There is no question that mechanically the car/computer is incredible, but it is becoming clear to me from reading this board and from my own experiences, that the problem is that the car is the marriage of a great machine, with a less than mediocre computer. As with any computer only some of the bugs will be fixed with software. To correct all of the problems may require hardware fixes not necesarily available, or ever offered.
Recent post at roadfly.org by a BMW 645 owner ($75K car):
Haven't gone back in yet to get the missing voice function fixed (lost it when I went to version 13.0) as I'm waiting for 13.3 to arrive momentarily and will get that at the same time. We're hoping that'll take care of the I-drive problem, but will see.
From another 645 owner:
Software version 13.2 is supposed to help keep the Rollover Protection Fault from coming on erroneously.
From another:
I have had my car for only 350 miles, but long enough now to have noticed an undercurrent of minor computer malfunctions. Lost presets, trunk malfunction, volume control doesn't work, all sound suddenly gone. All transient, but present long enough to be a nuisance and to know they will recur and at some unpredictable time be a major problem...I am left with a feeling that for a car of $80-90 K US, that this car/computer was not ready for release. There is no question that mechanically the car/computer is incredible, but it is becoming clear to me from reading this board and from my own experiences, that the problem is that the car is the marriage of a great machine, with a less than mediocre computer. As with any computer only some of the bugs will be fixed with software. To correct all of the problems may require hardware fixes not necesarily available, or ever offered.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
I guess we'll see, but I have a hard time seeing how 500 bhp is better than 400 bhp on American roads (it's clearly faster, but what the hell are you going to do with that advantage?), and I would MUCH rather have a true manual than SMG.
maddogchen
Diamond Member
whats bangle?
SarcasticDwarf
Diamond Member
YANSF4T
loup garou
Lifer
Fixed.
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