Blu-ray's a bag of hurt...

[KeithTalent]

I timed the last 2 Blu-rays I watched. From powering on the PS3 to being at the movie menu screen, the results are as follows:

Movie 1: 9 seconds

Movie 2: 12 seconds

Pretty insignificant to me.

KT

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
Meh, any format where I have to painstakingly research the loading time of players and consult a list of discs to find out which ones are actually better than the old format is still a failed format to me.

I think I'll buy my first hdtv sometime in 2010.

Actually, nothing wrong with buying an HDTV now. While BD's improvement in quality over DVD is negligible to many folks, HD broadcasting is pretty much universally accepted as worlds better than SD broadcasting.

 

[FP]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I timed the last 2 Blu-rays I watched. From powering on the PS3 to being at the movie menu screen, the results are as follows:

Movie 1: 9 seconds

Movie 2: 12 seconds

Pretty insignificant to me.

KT

I don't think the boot time on my PS3 is the problem. It is the damn previews on BR discs. I watched a BR movie the other day that had 12 previews on it before you got to the main movie screen. Yes you can skip them but it is still annoying to have to do it.

That was one thing I loved about HD-DVD. Most movies immediately started the movie when you popped in the disc. Now HD-DVD boot times are a different story

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: FP

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I timed the last 2 Blu-rays I watched. From powering on the PS3 to being at the movie menu screen, the results are as follows:

Movie 1: 9 seconds

Movie 2: 12 seconds

Pretty insignificant to me.

KT

I don't think the boot time on my PS3 is the problem. It is the damn previews on BR discs. I watched a BR movie the other day that had 12 previews on it before you got to the main movie screen. Yes you can skip them but it is still annoying to have to do it.

That was one thing I loved about HD-DVD. Most movies immediately started the movie when you popped in the disc. Now HD-DVD boot times are a different story

It seems it could be studio-dependent as some discs go right to the movie while others play a dozen movies/warnings/ads. The latter discs can be quite annoying, particularly when you are unable to advance through the warnings.

KT

 

[tk149]

I have a PS3, and have not experienced long BD load times, although I think I have had to perform "upgrades" to play certain discs (I don't remember which ones).

But I really think these studios who make discs with long load times (on other BD players) are shooting themselves in the foot. Who the heck wants to wait "up to two minutes" to start playing a movie? Sure, maybe a firmware update is needed, but how many non-nerds even know what firmware is, much less how to download and install it on a set-top player? I swear these studio idiots are trying to kill Blu-Ray.

Nevermind the non-skippable previews. The FBI warning on videotapes was bad enough, but at least you could fast forward through those. Yeah, they have those on DVD's too, but I was hoping they'd disappear when Blu-Ray came out.

Yes, I'm looking at you, Disney! :| Fvck Peter Pan! "Here we GOOOOOOO!"

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: FP

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I timed the last 2 Blu-rays I watched. From powering on the PS3 to being at the movie menu screen, the results are as follows:

Movie 1: 9 seconds

Movie 2: 12 seconds

Pretty insignificant to me.

KT

I don't think the boot time on my PS3 is the problem. It is the damn previews on BR discs. I watched a BR movie the other day that had 12 previews on it before you got to the main movie screen. Yes you can skip them but it is still annoying to have to do it.

That was one thing I loved about HD-DVD. Most movies immediately started the movie when you popped in the disc. Now HD-DVD boot times are a different story

It seems it could be studio-dependent as some discs go right to the movie while others play a dozen movies/warnings/ads. The latter discs can be quite annoying, particularly when you are unable to advance through the warnings.

KT

I'm going off memory here so I'm quite possibly wrong, but I remember ALL of my HD-DVDs going straight to the movie. While, I think only 1 or 2 of the Blu-Rays I've played so far have done that.. And yes, its infurating to have to chapter skip through all of them.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: swbsam

I understand blu-ray is "better" than dvd, but I don't believe enough so to make for a sustainable format.

I've never even seen blu-ray. I have 720p projection on a big screen, and an upconverting DVD player and plain old fashioned DVDs, hundreds of them. I figure the improvement from what I have to blu-ray isn't going to knock my socks off. It can't be anything like the improvement from VHS (or SVHS, I used to make SVHS recordings of off the air movies in the old days) to DVD.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: swbsam

I understand blu-ray is "better" than dvd, but I don't believe enough so to make for a sustainable format.

I've never even seen blu-ray. I have 720p projection on a big screen, and an upconverting DVD player and plain old fashioned DVDs, hundreds of them. I figure the improvement from what I have to blu-ray isn't going to knock my socks off. It can't be anything like the improvement from VHS (or SVHS, I used to make SVHS recordings of off the air movies in the old days) to DVD.

Have you seen a good Blu-ray movie yet??

Try watching Cars on DVD and then Blu-ray, the difference is stunning.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Have you seen a good Blu-ray movie yet??

Try watching Cars on DVD and then Blu-ray, the difference is stunning.

Yep. It's like the difference between VHS and DVD, but greater.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Yeah, I could bearly tell the difference between my Samsung upconvert DVD player and Blueray pic quality.

The Blueray menus were a lot fancier, but I could care less about that. The wow factor that we had from VHS to DVD is not there. Also, I'm pretty sure you need a 1080P TV to take advantage of the better picture.

1080i works just as well for movies as 1080P.

AFAIK, 1080i is pretty much equivalent to 720p. That would have to be inferior to 1080p at least with good enough display equipment.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Lumathix

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: QueBert
I set up a Home Theater for a friend, we put the Matrix BlueRay in and it literily took about 2 minutes for the disc to actually get to the main menu. Is this typical for most BD movies?

Yes.

It sucks, but works well if you want to go get some food/drinks before it starts

Not always the case. I have a fairly inexpensive Magnavox unit, and it doesn't take 2 minutes to boot up. More like 45 seconds.

That strikes me as a long time. My upscaling DVD player (Momitsu V880, an early machine shipped from Asia) loads in, I'd say, 15-20 seconds.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
I've gotten so used to watching HD TV that regular DVDs are unbearable to watch. I'm probably going to be picking up a Blue-ray soon. I won't even watch non-HD tv anymore.

Don't know what you mean by HDTV, but I have it (720p or 1080i) and a good display and yes it's better than upscaled DVD's but I still find upscaled DVDs very watchable. The difference is not night and day.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Joemonkey

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: Kadarin
I saw Wall-E on blueray the other night, and I swear there were at least 10 minutes of Disney ads.

Disney has been and probably always will be the worst offender with respect to ads. Thank goodness we have the forward button.

KT

i have a couple disnety flicks where that you cant FF through those stupid ads. you press the FF button or menu button and you get the middle finger flashing on the screen.

ugh, tell me about it... then the disc has the balls to say it is equipped with "Disney Fast Play" that doesn't do a damn thing

If I hear peter pan say "Here we goooooooooooooooo!" one more time i'm gonna scream

Ya gotta rip those disks, rip that shit out of there. :|

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Yeah, I could bearly tell the difference between my Samsung upconvert DVD player and Blueray pic quality.

The Blueray menus were a lot fancier, but I could care less about that. The wow factor that we had from VHS to DVD is not there. Also, I'm pretty sure you need a 1080P TV to take advantage of the better picture.

1080i works just as well for movies as 1080P.

AFAIK, 1080i is pretty much equivalent to 720p. That would have to be inferior to 1080p at least with good enough display equipment.

That would be incorrect
Movies are shot at 24FPS.
Here's a link

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Yeah, I could bearly tell the difference between my Samsung upconvert DVD player and Blueray pic quality.

The Blueray menus were a lot fancier, but I could care less about that. The wow factor that we had from VHS to DVD is not there. Also, I'm pretty sure you need a 1080P TV to take advantage of the better picture.

1080i works just as well for movies as 1080P.

AFAIK, 1080i is pretty much equivalent to 720p. That would have to be inferior to 1080p at least with good enough display equipment.

That would be incorrect
Movies are shot at 24FPS.
Here's a link

Cool link, thanks. I'll study it when I have a minute.

 

[manly]

Way to plagiarize Steve Jobs, OP.

 

[swbsam]

UPDATE

God, I hate spreading misinformation. For the sake of karma, I'm updating this thread because I just upgraded to a 1080p 50" plasma and, let me tell you, blu-ray's friggin fantastic on it. It's partly because the size makes SD look rather awful on the set and partly because of the resolution difference between my old set and new.

Sorry for being wrong, I do really like blu-ray now.

 

[fatpat268]

edit: woops

 

[Exterous]

Yeah - blu ray is pretty much useless on a non-1080P tv

 

[sswingle]

Originally posted by: Exterous
Yeah - blu ray is pretty much useless on a non-1080P tv

I have a 1080i and I think blu-ray is amazing, so there

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I can see that blu-ray looks great but for me personally upconverted DVDs look good enough(46" 1080p.).

 

[DaveSimmons]

Get a PS3 for $300 from SonyStyle.com (with sony CC signup), add a Netflix subscription, and you're done. No need to ever spend more money rebuying your DVD collection.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: swbsam
I've held out on bothering with blu-ray for a while since HD-Streaming/downloading and directv where filling the need pretty well.

On Saturday I found a sony blu-ray player, open box (bd-s500) on sale for $149 and it was too good of deal to pass up, so I grabbed that and a cheapie blu-ray (T2) to give it all a whirl.

Out of the box the picture quality on a set typical of what most consumers will have, a 720p LCD, was just marginally better than upscaled dvd. Sound was fuller on my 5.1 system, but how many average Joes have surround sound setups?

Anyways, I figured out why the unit was returned - probably multiple times. Out of the box, the disk I picked up suffered from massive lip-sync issues. Also, load time was excessive and the experience not entirely seamless.

A firmware update fixed everything, but overall the experience embarrassing. I really can't see a lot of people caring, beyond the marketing hype.

I understand blu-ray is "better" than dvd, but I don't believe enough so to make for a sustainable format.

UPDATE

God, I hate spreading misinformation. For the sake of karma, I'm updating this thread because I just upgraded to a 1080p 50" plasma and, let me tell you, blu-ray's friggin fantastic on it. It's partly because the size makes SD look rather awful on the set and partly because of the resolution difference between my old set and new.

Sorry for being wrong, I do really like blu-ray now.

I was going to pound you for not connecting it to a 1080P set before writing this rant. I see you've found out for yourself.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: swbsam
I've held out on bothering with blu-ray for a while since HD-Streaming/downloading and directv where filling the need pretty well.

On Saturday I found a sony blu-ray player, open box (bd-s500) on sale for $149 and it was too good of deal to pass up, so I grabbed that and a cheapie blu-ray (T2) to give it all a whirl.

Out of the box the picture quality on a set typical of what most consumers will have, a 720p LCD, was just marginally better than upscaled dvd. Sound was fuller on my 5.1 system, but how many average Joes have surround sound setups?

Anyways, I figured out why the unit was returned - probably multiple times. Out of the box, the disk I picked up suffered from massive lip-sync issues. Also, load time was excessive and the experience not entirely seamless.

A firmware update fixed everything, but overall the experience embarrassing. I really can't see a lot of people caring, beyond the marketing hype.

I understand blu-ray is "better" than dvd, but I don't believe enough so to make for a sustainable format.

UPDATE

God, I hate spreading misinformation. For the sake of karma, I'm updating this thread because I just upgraded to a 1080p 50" plasma and, let me tell you, blu-ray's friggin fantastic on it. It's partly because the size makes SD look rather awful on the set and partly because of the resolution difference between my old set and new.

Sorry for being wrong, I do really like blu-ray now.

I was going to pound you for not connecting it to a 1080P set before writing this rant. I see you've found out for yourself.

But that's the biggest hurdle Blu has to face. If the difference between Blu and upscaled DVDs on standard sets and 720P sets is marginal then trying to sell to the masses is a loss right now. I just have this feeling that it will be more laserdisc than DVD and that's fine but at this point I'm waiting until I finally go 50" 1080P (currently 42" 720P) to make the switch.

Well, that's part of it. I don't want to buy all of my movies again either.

 

[Aikouka]

That makes me tempted to buy a new TV to replace my Samsung 46" 720p DLP. I wouldn't mind one of those 61" or 67" Samsung 1080p LED DLPs. Gotta love how cheap DLP TVs are .