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Blu-ray versus HD-DVD (old)

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Originally posted by: Shawn
I find it hard to believe that Walmart wouldn't stock the player. I have no doubt that it'll be there on the shelves this holiday season.
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I am just curious why you think a Walmart spokeperson would tell an outright lie then...the christmas shopping season is right around the corner...

the article is pretty straight foward and makes their current intentions very clear.

Paramount's decision to drop blu ray support was hard to believe but they still did it anyway...why is it so different when the shoe is on the other foot?
 
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: Shawn
I find it hard to believe that Walmart wouldn't stock the player. I have no doubt that it'll be there on the shelves this holiday season.
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I am just curious why you think a Walmart spokeperson would tell an outright lie then...the christmas shopping season is right around the corner...

the article is pretty straight foward and makes their current intentions very clear.

Paramount's decision to drop blu ray support was hard to believe but they still did it anyway...why is it so different when the shoe is on the other foot?
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Notice their wording. They aren't saying that they won't carry it, just that they currently don't have any plans to. When Christmas comes around I doubt they will say no to a potential money maker.
 
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: Shawn
I find it hard to believe that Walmart wouldn't stock the player. I have no doubt that it'll be there on the shelves this holiday season.
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I am just curious why you think a Walmart spokeperson would tell an outright lie then...the christmas shopping season is right around the corner...

the article is pretty straight foward and makes their current intentions very clear.

Paramount's decision to drop blu ray support was hard to believe but they still did it anyway...why is it so different when the shoe is on the other foot?
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Notice their wording. They aren't saying that they won't carry it, just that they currently don't have any plans to. When Christmas comes around I doubt they will say no to a potential money maker.
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how about saying no to a lot of heartache and grief when these things start getting returned en masse because of firmware, quality, etc issues...
 
At this point in time it is kinda hard to predict a winner. Any studio that is exclusive to one
format or another at this time could release in the other format at a later date.

I understand how a Studio owned by Sony would wanna sway toward blu-ray....But I would
think the $'s lost would make them rethink the strategy.

I can't think of any one movie that would make me sway one way or the other at this time.

You will always have the exclusive titles as in game consoles....But then again you will
always have the titles that are released on all platforms.

A reasonably priced dual format player is what the market needs at this point in time.

Alot of people say that squirtavision (porn) will decide the format war 😕

As I have a PS3 for blu-ray and some gaming....My son is a halo freek so he has a 360 and
the hd-dvd add on.



 
Originally posted by: Kenmitch
At this point in time it is kinda hard to predict a winner. Any studio that is exclusive to one
format or another at this time could release in the other format at a later date.

I understand how a Studio owned by Sony would wanna sway toward blu-ray....But I would
think the $'s lost would make them rethink the strategy.

I can't think of any one movie that would make me sway one way or the other at this time.

You will always have the exclusive titles as in game consoles....But then again you will
always have the titles that are released on all platforms.

A reasonably priced dual format player is what the market needs at this point in time.

Alot of people say that squirtavision (porn) will decide the format war 😕

As I have a PS3 for blu-ray and some gaming....My son is a halo freek so he has a 360 and
the hd-dvd add on.
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Porn sales are $14billion a year, movie DVD sales+rentals = $24billion a year. The Porn industry is leaning/is going HD DVD. It will have a big impact, but not for awhile.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Porn sales are $14billion a year, movie DVD sales+rentals = $24billion a year. The Porn industry is leaning/is going HD DVD. It will have a big impact, but not for awhile.
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not sure what articles you have been reading, but porn is not going to make a difference deciding the winner of this format war...

free porn is widely available all over the internet...why would someone invest alot of money into a high def player to access material they can pretty much get for free??

this was not the case when the VHS vs Beta war was being fought.
 
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Porn sales are $14billion a year, movie DVD sales+rentals = $24billion a year. The Porn industry is leaning/is going HD DVD. It will have a big impact, but not for awhile.
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not sure what articles you have been reading, but porn is not going to make a difference deciding the winner of this format war...

free porn is widely available all over the internet...why would someone invest alot of money into a high def player to access material they can pretty much get for free??

this was not the case when the VHS vs Beta war was being fought.
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It has been reported (in PCworld, Arstechnica, on CNN, et al) that Blu-ray bans pornography and that this may have an effect on which format is successful.[10] However, this is inaccurate, as both formats have said they fully support all material, including porn, and have no control over what companies release with their license.[11]
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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Porn sales are $14billion a year, movie DVD sales+rentals = $24billion a year. The Porn industry is leaning/is going HD DVD. It will have a big impact, but not for awhile.
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not sure what articles you have been reading, but porn is not going to make a difference deciding the winner of this format war...

free porn is widely available all over the internet...why would someone invest alot of money into a high def player to access material they can pretty much get for free??

this was not the case when the VHS vs Beta war was being fought.
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It has been reported (in PCworld, Arstechnica, on CNN, et al) that Blu-ray bans pornography and that this may have an effect on which format is successful.[10] However, this is inaccurate, as both formats have said they fully support all material, including porn, and have no control over what companies release with their license.[11]
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HD DVD is currently exclusively backed by several adult-movie/pornography studios/publishers, including Wicked Pictures, Pink Visual, Bang Bros, Digital Playground Inc. and ClubJenna Inc. (which on 22 June 2006 was acquired by Playboy Enterprises), and HD DVD is also non-exclusively backed by Vivid Entertainment
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They are all HD DVD exclusive except for Vivid.
 
Digital Playground plans on releasing 150 adult HD DVDs.

Looks like the strongest support to the HD DVD will come from the porn industry. DigitalPlayground, a porn movie studio, plans to release 4-5 new HD DVD titles per month starting now.

While at the CES in Las Vegas last week, we had a chance to do a quick visit to the Adult Entertainment Show that was going on at the same time. Attracted by the rumor of HD DVD movie availability from a Porn producer, I registered as press to ask some questions about the upcoming releases (yes sure, I did had look at the models?and took pictures?).

According to Adella (no last name on the business card), responsible for the public relations and marketing, Digital Playground as been shooting in HD since 2004. The company?s library is apparently packed with 150 titles ready to be released in HD DVD, she said. If they do release all those movies in HD DVD, Digital Playground will rapidly become the biggest HD DVD producer! Certainly not the marketing Toshiba is expecting!

4 titles are already available on their website. Island fever 3 and 4, Pirates (combo DVD ? HD DVD) and Jack?s teen. The movies are on sale at $49.99 a piece.
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http://www.hddvdfreak.com/2007/01/150_hd_dvd_movi.html
 
Originally posted by: Chris
Not the porn argument again 🙁
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Hey, to be honest I don't think porn is going to have much of an impact in this format war. However if you want porn in HD, HD DVD is the way to go.
 
I really hope sony wins this thing. HD DVD, while cheaper, is reaching its capacity limits fast. Why constrain yourself when there are better options out there.
 
Originally posted by: Shawn
If you were planning on getting Pirates of the Caribbean on Blu-ray, I'd hold off due to the fact that the blu-ray release has framing issues:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007...se-has-framing-issues/
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Took you guys long enough to post this. "I'd hold off..." You'd hold off only because you don't own a Blu-ray player, not because of framing issues that occur in a very small percentage of the movie.

The picture in the link above, when they're fighting up in the rafters, there's another shot that shows the rafters being just a foot off the ground! That's only a 1 second scene, but interesting to note.

As somebody who owns the movie, even with this "revelation", it's not a reason to avoid purchasing the title.


Seriously, there are many other things circulating around the net recently to repost here, this is the one you picked? 😉
 
Originally posted by: Dari
I really hope sony wins this thing. HD DVD, while cheaper, is reaching its capacity limits fast. Why constrain yourself when there are better options out there.
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The capacity issue is a joke. With advanced compression techniques all of the movies will fit on the 30GB with no loss of video quality. There has yet to be one example of how a side-by-side release of a 30GB HD DVD compared to a 50GB BR is different. Many people agree that the best HDM release so far has been King Kong and that was on a 30GB disc, naturally, people will say that it doesn't have a TrueHD soundtrack because it was space limited. However, the problem with that argument will be is that the DD+ soundtrack actually takes more space than THD. The studio just wasn't releasing THD at the time.

The additional space is not really needed, nor is the supposed bitrate advantage.

If you have any evidence to the contrary, please provide it.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
The additional space is not really needed, nor is the supposed bitrate advantage.
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Just like the 360 is not hitting its head on the ~7GB DVD limitation, and this game console generation just started.

When you're talking films and just films, you may have a case, depending on the extras you include and what not. However, 50GB gives you ample room for tons of extras, languages tracks, audio tracks etc.

Where it really starts to shine is box sets. Would you rather rifle through a three-disc trilogy or just lump them all on one disc, complete with all the extras and audio tracks, all at a nice high bitrate? Saves the studios money too, which was on of the alleged advantages of HD-DVD.

There's no way you can argue more space is not an advantage. Over time this will only prove more and more true.
 
Originally posted by: Chris
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
The additional space is not really needed, nor is the supposed bitrate advantage.
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Just like the 360 is not hitting its head on the ~7GB DVD limitation, and this game console generation just started.

When you're talking films and just films, you may have a case, depending on the extras you include and what not. However, 50GB gives you ample room for tons of extras, languages tracks, audio tracks etc.

Where it really starts to shine is box sets. Would you rather rifle through a three-disc trilogy or just lump them all on one disc, complete with all the extras and audio tracks, all at a nice high bitrate? Saves the studios money too, which was on of the alleged advantages of HD-DVD.

There's no way you can argue more space is not an advantage. Over time this will only prove more and more true.
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So you might have to have multiple discs? Gosh no!

I couldn't care less about having multiple discs for box sets, I even prefer it.

I highly doubt it will prove true, especially since a major studio has become exclusive despite the supposed advantage.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
So you might have to have multiple discs? Gosh no!

I couldn't care less about having multiple discs for box sets, I even prefer it.

I highly doubt it will prove true, especially since a major studio has become exclusive despite the supposed advantage.
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I'd say that I personally wouldn't care about this as much in movies as I would in TV shows. I do own a HD-DVD player and I purchased Heroes on HD-DVD. I would've rather had more episodes on a disc and all the extras on a disc (or any extras that could've been moved). Episodic TV shows probably wouldn't be a big deal for most people, because you can always stop.

It's still just a convenience issue though.
 
I just put a blu-ray player in my HTPC over the weekend. Once I gave up on WinDVD and got the most recent version of PowerDVD, things work great. The picture quality is really good (way better than regular DVD) but the sound is SPECTACULAR. I'd never seen 300 before, and it was amazing.

I got the Pioneer internal blu-ray drive at Microcenter for $299.

Once I can get an internal HD-DVD drive for about that much, I'll get one of those too. Though I hear a dual format PC player is on the horizon.
 
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