Bloody consequences of open borders:

Jaskalas

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Bloody consequences of open borders: The kidnapping and murder of Zina Linnik

This madness has to end. The open borders lobby has gotten away with denying the problem, hiding behind platitudes, and waging smear jobs instead of confronting the bloody consequences of its malign neglect. I will be asking for your help soon on a campaign to force this issue onto Washington?s radar screen. We need a tracking mechanism to ensure that every convicted criminal alien released from our prisons and jails is flagged and kicked out of the country, as required by existing federal law. We need stiff punishment for state and local jail authorities that fail to comply, and for federal ICE offices that fall down on their jobs.

We need to shut the illegal alien criminal revolving door.

If ever there were an immigration enforcement issue that transcended partisan lines, this is it.

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Remember the case I noted here last week, about a suspected illegal alien in Tennessee who was caught, released, and reportedly went on to rape a 15-year-old girl? Well, the local sheriff who has been trying to locate the suspect has been sued by illegal aliens complaining that he ?racially profiled? them. I kid you not. This is the insanity we are up against.

When we going to DEMAND the federal government enforce existing law and protect us? As you can see from the link, Michelle Malkin continues to document the ongoing saga of Americans being murdered by illegals, By those illegal criminal offenders who are released after committing crimes, so that they can go on to rape/murder Americans.
 

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What about the North American Union and the Amero? :laugh:
 

jonks

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Yeah! When I read about women getting raped and murdered, by god, it had better be American criminals who do it!
 
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I have yet to see any data suggesting that illegals are more likely to commit crimes than citizens, and there are certainly legal ethnic groups far likelier to commit crimes than any immigrant group. Meanwhile, illegals undeniably contribute to the economy. I can certainly understand frustration that illegals are here committing crimes - I share that sentiment - but I don't think this is an epidemic.
 

babylon5

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I don't think in general, Illegals not more prone to violent crimes.

But they seem to be involved in a lot of Stolen Identity crimes, and it's trouble to Americans. Even a hispanic police detectives himself get his life messed up by Illegals. Pray you never have your identity stolen:





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Theft of identity compounds the crime

Because more employers are checking workers' IDs, illegal immigrants are increasingly using stolen Social Security numbers to get jobs.

By Anna Gorman
Times Staff Writer

July 9, 2007

Adrian Flores was working the identity theft beat as a police detective in Los Angeles County when he realized that he too had become a victim.

First, he answered a phone call about an outstanding bill for furniture store purchases that he hadn't made. Then he received several letters from the Internal Revenue Service, including one demanding $40,000 in back taxes on income he hadn't earned. When he ran his credit, the report showed he owed money at a hospital where he had never been treated.

Flores later learned that at least one of the culprits was an illegal immigrant working in Utah for Swift & Co. meat processing that had been one of the targets of a massive raid by federal immigration agents, who arrested 1,274 people in six states in December 2006.

"It rocks your world," he said. "It's like a little ball of string. It gets thicker and thicker and thicker as it goes along."

Under pressure from federal authorities to verify their workers' legal status, more employers are checking the validity of Social Security numbers, and that has caused many illegal immigrants to use stolen rather than made-up numbers to get jobs, immigration officials said.

"It used to be that we would only see people come in with purely bogus documents," said Julie L. Myers, assistant secretary for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "More and more we are seeing real people, real victims."

Although the agency does not break out identity theft statistics, Myers said, "we are definitely seeing a trend."

To better protect their businesses, more employers are using the Department of Homeland Security's Basic Pilot program, which enables them to check the validity of Social Security numbers online. But Basic Pilot doesn't detect identity theft. As long as the name and Social Security number are legitimate, the online system will indicate the person using them is authorized to work.

Word of this weakness in the system has spread quickly among illegal immigrants and the document theft rings that cater to them. Thieves will dig through trash cans or scan the Internet looking for Social Security numbers. Sometimes, criminals or homeless people are willing to sell their identity documents, Myers said. There also have been cases in which employers provide their workers with stolen numbers, Homeland Security authorities said.

The majority of immigrants using fake identification don't know that the Social Security numbers belong to real people, said Marielena Hincapié of the National Immigration Law Center in Los Angeles. They are just trying to find a way to get a job, she said.

"Most workers are buying documents they believe to be false," she said. "There isn't really any intention of stealing someone's identity."

Yet there are victims.



"Identity theft, whether it is by someone who is here illegally or legally, it is still the same craziness," said Linda Foley, founder of the San Diego-based Identity Theft Resource Center. "It temporarily turns their life upside down."

Foley said she has seen one person's identity used by as many as 20 people. Often, even if the government may be aware of the problem, the victim won't discover that his identity was stolen until he receives a demand for back taxes or when he tries to buy a house or a car and realizes his credit has been destroyed.

"There is no automatic red flag to notify victims," said Betsy Broder, an assistant director at the Federal Trade Commission.

This spring, at the direction of President Bush, the FTC and Atty. Gen. Alberto R. Gonzales issued a report on identity theft in general and a strategic plan to attack it. The voluminous report singled out the issue of immigrant-related identity theft and recommended an increase in prosecutions.

ICE launched 11 task forces last year and six this spring targeting immigrant-related ID fraud. More than 540 investigations have been opened, and so far 243 people have been convicted of various fraud and immigration violations since April 2006.

The largest identity theft bust was the one last year at the Swift plants; it followed a 10-month investigation triggered by allegations that illegal immigrants were using the stolen identities of U.S. citizens. More than 300 illegal immigrants were prosecuted as a result of the investigation.

There have also been smaller cases, including the indictment last month of 10 former workers at Fresh Del Monte Produce in Portland, Ore., on charges of possession of a fraudulent immigration document or Social Security fraud. According to ICE, an investigation in that case showed that dozens of employees at American Staffing Resources Inc., which hires workers for the fruit and vegetable processing plant, were using Social Security numbers that belonged to real people. Some of the victims were children; others were elderly and receiving benefits. Some of the numbers had belonged to people who had died.

"The task force approach was really the first concentrated, nationwide effort to attack the problem," said Myers, the ICE official.

Anti-illegal immigrant groups criticized the federal government, however, saying that the recent actions do not go far enough and that millions of illegal immigrants using other people's documents are ignored. They also say the government should create a secure identification card.

"There is no will in this administration to enforce the law," said Rosemary Jenks, director of governmental relations for Numbers USA, an anti-illegal immigration group. "Every person who is working illegally has committed a crime because they have either used fake documents, stolen documents or they have made their own."

Doris Meissner, former commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, said that task forces and raids won't end identity theft by illegal immigrants. Identity theft is a very dangerous trend, she said, but "it is not ultimately going to be solved by more and more ICE law enforcement actions." Immigrants will continue to find documents that will enable them to find work.

"The jobs are there, and there is no legal way for the economic demands to be met at the present time," said Meissner, a senior fellow at the Migration Policy Institute, a think tank based in Washington, D.C.

When Flores, the police officer, started investigating his own identity theft, documents incorrectly showed that he had lived in Utah, Colorado, Florida and Virginia and that he had worked at the Swift plant and a fitness center. A retirement account had been set up at Merrill Lynch in New York. His mother's maiden name on his Social Security file had been changed at an office in Montebello.

Flores, 42, didn't lose any money, but his damaged credit prevented him from buying a house. And the process to clear his name was long and difficult. Flores made numerous calls and sent letters, identification theft police reports and documents to various governmental agencies. The IRS threatened to send his case to collections and told him he would have to fight it in Tax Court. The Social Security administration refused to give him a new number.

"It was more scary than frustrating," he said. "It's the federal government. You know they are going to put a lien on something, like my bank account. I don't make that much money and I had a family to support."

Flores said he is now very careful not to give out too much information to anyone and to watch his back when doing financial transactions.

"You have to constantly be on top of it," he said, "or it can get out of hand."
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: DonVito
I have yet to see any data suggesting that illegals are more likely to commit crimes than citizens, and there are certainly legal ethnic groups far likelier to commit crimes than any immigrant group. Meanwhile, illegals undeniably contribute to the economy. I can certainly understand frustration that illegals are here committing crimes - I share that sentiment - but I don't think this is an epidemic.
I don?t know if I agree completely.

Remember the broken windows theory where you clamp down on small crimes in order to establish a sense of law and order.
Well illegals are breaking the law by entering and may therefore be less likely to obey other laws.

Plus I don?t think the issue here is illegals breaking the law as much as it is illegals who have been arrested multiple times being released back onto the street instead of being deported.
Coming to America should be a privilege and if you break our laws then that privilege should be taken away.
The Federal government just sucks at this; no one seems to really care about this problem. Really sad.
 

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It's just going to be a matter of time before someone sets up in the desert with a silenced rifle and night scope and starts picking people off.

Before you say it will never happen, how many actually thought a group of fanatics would fly jumbo jets into sky scrapers.

 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: DonVito
I have yet to see any data suggesting that illegals are more likely to commit crimes than citizens, and there are certainly legal ethnic groups far likelier to commit crimes than any immigrant group. Meanwhile, illegals undeniably contribute to the economy. I can certainly understand frustration that illegals are here committing crimes - I share that sentiment - but I don't think this is an epidemic.
I don?t know if I agree completely.

Remember the broken windows theory where you clamp down on small crimes in order to establish a sense of law and order.
Well illegals are breaking the law by entering and may therefore be less likely to obey other laws.
Last I heard, that theory isn't exactly on solid intellectual ground. By your logic, speeders are also more likely to be psychopathic killers. Especially when the motivations for the various crimes are not the same. The views that motivate someone to immigrate illegally are not the same as those that would spur them to commit other crimes.
Plus I don?t think the issue here is illegals breaking the law as much as it is illegals who have been arrested multiple times being released back onto the street instead of being deported.
Coming to America should be a privilege and if you break our laws then that privilege should be taken away.
The Federal government just sucks at this; no one seems to really care about this problem. Really sad.

Fair enough, but you're arguing two different things. I doubt you'd find much opposition to the idea that multiple felons should be deported if they are illegal aliens, but this thread is about generalizing that problem to how we should deal with ALL illegal immigrants. As DonVito says, that connection doesn't really seem to exist. Going after criminals helps reduce crime, going after a specific group of people, SOME of whom are criminals, is not quite so helpful.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Fair enough, but you're arguing two different things. I doubt you'd find much opposition to the idea that multiple felons should be deported if they are illegal aliens, but this thread is about generalizing that problem to how we should deal with ALL illegal immigrants. As DonVito says, that connection doesn't really seem to exist. Going after criminals helps reduce crime, going after a specific group of people, SOME of whom are criminals, is not quite so helpful.
Entirely NOT true. Go back and re-read the OP?s comment.
I?ll post it here to make it easy on you.
When we going to DEMAND the federal government enforce existing law and protect us? As you can see from the link, Michelle Malkin continues to document the ongoing saga of Americans being murdered by illegals, By those illegal criminal offenders who are released after committing crimes, so that they can go on to rape/murder Americans.
 

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Originally posted by: jrenz
You're just a bigot, you know?

Bigot though he may be, he has a valid point. We need to secure our borders and ENFORCE our laws. Get in the country legally, dammit! My parents did that and so should everyone who immigrates!

If they break the law in order to get into the country it shows how much respect they have for the law and due process: none. I think it is only fitting that we should show that same level of respect for illegal aliens. Justice is blind.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Fair enough, but you're arguing two different things. I doubt you'd find much opposition to the idea that multiple felons should be deported if they are illegal aliens, but this thread is about generalizing that problem to how we should deal with ALL illegal immigrants. As DonVito says, that connection doesn't really seem to exist. Going after criminals helps reduce crime, going after a specific group of people, SOME of whom are criminals, is not quite so helpful.
Entirely NOT true. Go back and re-read the OP?s comment.
I?ll post it here to make it easy on you.
When we going to DEMAND the federal government enforce existing law and protect us? As you can see from the link, Michelle Malkin continues to document the ongoing saga of Americans being murdered by illegals, By those illegal criminal offenders who are released after committing crimes, so that they can go on to rape/murder Americans.

Bullshit. That is exactly what's being argued here, and you know it, because you're not as dumb as a lot of lefties on here think you are.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Originally posted by: jrenz
You're just a bigot, you know?

Bigot though he may be, he has a valid point. We need to secure our borders and ENFORCE our laws. Get in the country legally, dammit! My parents did that and so should everyone who immigrates!

If they break the law in order to get into the country it shows how much respect they have for the law and due process: none. I think it is only fitting that we should show that same level of respect for illegal aliens. Justice is blind.

Why? The severity of our law enforcement should not be determined by how much the law breakers piss you off. Yes, it would be better if everyone entered the country legally. And yes, entering the country illegally is and should remain illegal. But everyone has bought into that mantra about "enforcing our laws" like it's some sort of noble goal...it's not, it's the mantra of folks who just can't engage their brains and want easy answers. We don't have laws for the sake of having laws, maybe a better idea would be to debate whether or not our immigration policy and laws make sense before going to war against illegal immigrants because "they broke THE LAW". This isn't the Soviet Union, comrade.
 

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Wow, not my list folks, talk to the FBI not me...

And for the record, I've dated a hell of a lot of Latino women, I'm Caucasian & haven't dated a Caucasian woman in nearly a year. :confused:
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Yeah! When I read about women getting raped and murdered, by god, it had better be American criminals who do it!

Cause we've got to pile on eh? More the merrier?
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Plus I don?t think the issue here is illegals breaking the law as much as it is illegals who have been arrested multiple times being released back onto the street instead of being deported.

Yes, that is the crux of my complaint here. It isn't even the first (entering illegally), or second crime where they are arrested. It is the third crime when they are released and allowed to continue living here and to go on to rape/murder Americans.

We are actively adding onto the violent crimes in this nation by not enforcing immigration laws.