BLM: Falcon Heights police fatally shot man

[Jaskalas]

It's entirely possible the officer never asked for ID.

You simply do not know.

A stop where they don't ask for ID / papers... you must be smoking something, cause my imagination is falling short here.

 

[shady28]

We KNOW that the victim had NO criminal record. NONE. We know that the victim was gainfully employed. We know that he WAS a useful member of society.

How in the hell do you think any of that crap you posted in ANY way absolves the officer in this situation? It is a non-sequitur.

Character references are absolutely critical. What kind of person was Castile? What kind of person was/is the GF who is making allegations?

What do you KNOW about what led up to the shooting? Do you have references outside his GF? Did he have a CCL? Did he comply with the officers orders, or did he do something else? What exactly is it that you KNOW, that no one else knows, that's really germane?

 

[shady28]

A stop where they don't ask for ID / papers... you must be smoking something, cause my imagination is falling short here.

The officer may not have gotten to that point.

I've been pulled over and arrested once in my life, for expired plates.

The officer pulled me over, told me to put my hands on the wheel (which I did). Looked in my car, asked if I had a weapon, then asked for ID and insurance.

Do you know what was said, and how Castile complied? I think everyone would like to know if you have that information.

Edit : People seem to be missing this part in the transcript -

Officer: I told him not to reach for it! I told him to get his head up!

Reynolds: He had, you told him to get his ID, sir, his driver’s license. Oh my god please don’t tell me he’s dead.

 

[bshole]

Character references are absolutely critical. What kind of person was Castile? What kind of person was/is the GF who is making allegations?

What do you KNOW about what led up to the shooting? Do you have references outside his GF? Did he have a CCL? Did he comply with the officers orders, or did he do something else? What exactly is it that you KNOW, that no one else knows, that's really germane?

I have video taped evidence of an officer acting GUILTY as all hell. Hell his actions seconds after the shooting are more indicative of his guilt than anything else.

 

[LegendKiller]

I have video taped evidence of an officer acting GUILTY as all hell. Hell his actions seconds after the shooting are more indicative of his guilt than anything else.

Yeah, imagine that, a suspected armed robbery perp with a gun in his lap and the cop feels bad he shot him after he reached his hand towards it.

What do you want, the cops doing high fives?

He probably felt guilty he killed somebody and even worse after knowing the shit storm of leftist thugs he just called down on himself foe protecting his own life. You are part of the problem.

 

[LegendKiller]

I have video taped evidence of an officer acting GUILTY as all hell. Hell his actions seconds after the shooting are more indicative of his guilt than anything else.

You have nothing but what the GF wanted you to have and what she wanted you to think.

I bet you believed Dorian johnson too.

 

[shady28]

I have video taped evidence of an officer acting GUILTY as all hell. Hell his actions seconds after the shooting are more indicative of his guilt than anything else.

Seriously?

Can you please point out what in this indicates his guilt? I've filtered out everything but the officer. Let me guess, it's where he says 'fuck'. Is that it? Really?

This is all we know, but you want to jump to conclusions.

Officer: Ma’am, keep your hands where they are.


Officer: Fuck!


Officer: I told him not to reach for it! I told him to get his head up!


Officer: Fuck.


Officer: Keep your hands where they are please.


Officer: Get the female passenger out.

Other officer, off camera: Ma’am exit the car right now with your hands up. Let me see your hands. Exit now. Keep ‘em up, keep ‘em up!


Other officer: Face away from me and walk backwards. Walk backwards towards me. Keep walking. Keep walking. Keep walking. Get on your knees. Get on your knees. Ma’am you’re just being detained right now until we get this all sorted out OK?
[Daughter crying in background]


Officer: Let me see your purse. You have any weapons or anything?

Officer: Fuck!


Officer: Fuck!

Officer: [Yells, screams “fuck” multiple times.]

 

[bshole]

Yeah, imagine that, a suspected armed robbery perp with a gun in his lap and the cop feels bad he shot him after he reached his hand towards it.

What do you want, the cops doing high fives?

He probably felt guilty he killed somebody and even worse after knowing the shit storm of leftist thugs he just called down on himself foe protecting his own life. You are part of the problem.

He wasn't protecting his life. He THOUGHT he was protecting his life. He immediately knew he was wrong.

Here is more on the victim:

Castile worked as a cafeteria supervisor at J.J. Hill Montessori School in St. Paul. A statement from the school system said Castile was hired in 2002, at age 19, and was promoted to supervisor two years ago. The statement described him as a “team player who maintained great relationships with staff and students alike” and said he was “quick to greet former coworkers with a smile and hug.”

The statement included this glowing assessment from a co-worker: “Kids loved him. He was smart, over-qualified. He was quiet, respectful, and kind. I knew him as warm and funny; he called me his ‘wing man.'”

 

[LegendKiller]

He wasn't protecting his life. He THOUGHT he was protecting his life. He immediately knew he was wrong.

Here is more on the victim:

I saw this before the edit.

Who cares what people thought. People said Trayvon and brown were great too, until that narrative fell apart.

How do you know the cop isn't a victim of your shaming, asshole?

 

[shady28]

He wasn't protecting his life. He THOUGHT he was protecting his life. He immediately knew he was wrong.

Did he?

What do you know that we don't know?

I'm white and I've had a cop pull a gun on me, one of the maybe 7 or 8 times I've had an encounter with police in 47 years. What to know why? Because I reached inside my jacket when I was not told to do so.

I wonder what my odds of survival would be if instead of 7 or 8 police encounters, I constantly drove with no insurance, expired plates, parked in the street, etc etc, resulting in 65ish police encounters like Castile and every 7 or 8 encounters I did something stupid like reaching inside my jacket.

What would my odds have been if I told the officer I was armed, then reached in my jacket?

Do you know what happened leading up to the shooting? No, you don't know jack.

 

[bshole]

I saw this before the edit.

Who cares what people thought. People said Trayvon and brown were great too, until that narrative fell apart.

How do you know the cop isn't a victim of your shaming, asshole?

Because the cop STATED before the stop that he was going to ID the victim. Immediately after the stop the survivor stated multiple times that the cop has asked for ID and the cop NOT ONCE contradicted this. That is enough for me. That is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Your assertions are UNREASONABLE doubt that fly in the face of the evidence we have.

 

[LegendKiller]

Because the cop STATED before the stop that he was going to ID the victim. Immediately after the stop the survivor stated multiple times that the cop has asked for ID and the cop NOT ONCE contradicted this. That is enough for me. That is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Your assertions are UNREASONABLE doubt that fly in the face of the evidence we have.

It doesn't fucking matter if th cop contradicted it. He was likely under orders to jeep quiet by his chief, the union, and his attorney. We haven't heard from him, at all, so your "reasonable evidence" is one sided and pushed by a woman with an agenda.

Fuethermore, there was *clearly* a gun in his lap. Did he move towards the gun? Did he disobey the cop? We do not know.

 

[shady28]

Because the cop STATED before the stop that he was going to ID the victim. Immediately after the stop the survivor stated multiple times that the cop has asked for ID and the cop NOT ONCE contradicted this. That is enough for me. That is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Your assertions are UNREASONABLE doubt that fly in the face of the evidence we have.

You've gone beyond being just stupid into the realm out outright lying and disinformation.

Here, from your own fucking post, which I already re-quoted and pointed out but which you conveniently ignore.

Officer: I told him not to reach for it! I told him to get his head up!

 

[bshole]

It doesn't fucking matter if th cop contradicted it. He was likely under orders to jeep quiet by his chief, the union, and his attorney. We haven't heard from him, at all, so your "reasonable evidence" is one sided and pushed by a woman with an agenda.

Fuethermore, there was *clearly* a gun in his lap. Did he move towards the gun? Did he disobey the cop? We do not know.

So you are accusing the cop of LYING when he said on tape that he was going to ID the victim?

I have painted my scenario. It seems the most reasonable. Please give us your scenario.

My scenario again.

1. Cop asks for ID (critical mistake and negligent IMHO)
2. Victim reaches for ID
3. Cop sees gun
4. Cop shoots

This fits all the facts as I know them. It explains every thing.

Please supply your scenario.

 

[shady28]

So you are accusing the cop of LYING when he said on tape that he was going to ID the victim?

I have painted my scenario. It seems the most reasonable. Please give us your scenario.

My scenario again.

1. Cop asks for ID (critical mistake and negligent IMHO)
2. Victim reaches for ID
3. Cop sees gun
4. Cop shoots

This fits all the facts as I know them. It explains every thing.

Please supply your scenario.

Hypotheticals. Ok.

Here's one -

Cop pulls car over.
One cop goes to passenger side, other to drivers side.
Passenger side cop approaches car and asks for ID of the driver (the girl) - this is probably the "other" officer on the drivers side.
Passenger says he has a concealed license (according to the girl)
Cop tells passenger not to reach for it, and to keep his head up and hands visible (normal from my experience)
Passenger reaches for his gun.
Cop shoots passenger.

We could go on and on with this all day. My point is that we don't know shit other than what the girl said, her narrative, the one she wants you to believe.

 

[bshole]

Hypotheticals. Ok.

Here's one -

Cop pulls car over.
One cop goes to passenger side, other to drivers side.
Passenger side cop approaches car and asks for ID of the driver (the girl) - this is probably the "other" officer on the drivers side.
Passenger says he has a concealed license (according to the girl)
Cop tells passenger not to reach for it, and to keep his head up and hands visible (normal from my experience)
Passenger reaches for his gun.
Cop shoots passenger.

We could go on and on with this all day. My point is that we don't know shit other than what the girl said, her narrative, the one she wants you to believe.

The girl was not the driver. The video is inverted.

Your scenario is factually incorrect. Please research the shooting a little more and come up with a real scenario.

 

[shady28]

The girl was not the driver. The video is inverted.

Your scenario is factually incorrect. Please research the shooting a little more and come up with a real scenario.

All right. Prove this scenario incorrect.

Cops pull over car.
Cop approaches driver side and asks driver for ID.
Driver says "fuck you pig" and reaches for his gun
Cop says don't reach for it, keep your head up.
Driver continues trying to pull gun from his jeans pocket
Cop shoots driver.


Disprove it.

 

[LegendKiller]

So you are accusing the cop of LYING when he said on tape that he was going to ID the victim?

I have painted my scenario. It seems the most reasonable. Please give us your scenario.

My scenario again.

1. Cop asks for ID (critical mistake and negligent IMHO)
2. Victim reaches for ID
3. Cop sees gun
4. Cop shoots

This fits all the facts as I know them. It explains every thing.

Please supply your scenario.

And what if he was actually reaching for the gun since it was in his fucking lap? You DO NOT KNOW.

There are active agitprop people around this woman. There was a guy wearing an Islamic Relief t-shirt, a terrorist org according to Canada, coaching her what to say.

We have seen this with Trayvon and with Brown. Known agitators, PR people, and others take control of the narrative and sucker lefties like you into it because you are gullible and jump to conclusions.

 

[mxnerd]

Castile has zero reason to reach his gun. Period. He has 2 cops around him, GF on his side, his daughter in the back. He is not on drugs or drunk driving (at least no evidence yet), and he told the police he had a licensed concealed gun with him.

If he wants to hurt/kill cops, why did he have to tell the cops he had a gun in the first place?

Cop kept "fuck" ing himself means he knew he did wrong.

 

[bshole]

All right. Prove this scenario incorrect.

Cops pull over car.
Cop approaches driver side and asks driver for ID.
Driver says "fuck you pig" and reaches for his gun
Cop says don't reach for it, keep your head up.
Driver continues trying to pull gun from his jeans pocket
Cop shoots driver.


Disprove it.

Cop still screwed up. Look at Ackmed's post earlier on. It is the best post on this thread. The cop thought this was a violent felon. His first job is to secure the perp safely. He acted incorrectly and irresponsibly by asking for the ID. When you ask for an ID, the hands are going to go down. In what world would a cop want a potential felons hands to go down?

 

[bshole]

Here is what the cop should have done. He did not do this. That was incompetence on the part of the police officer and makes him criminally liable for the result.

I agree, it's called a felony stop.

You make commands (with another officer if at all possible) from your vehicle. You tell them to turn off the car, then put their hands out of the window, then open the door from the outside leaving their hands out of the window so you can view them. Once they are out make sure they are facing away, then you tell them to take their right hand while keeping the other up and pull up on their shirt collar and turn slowly. This allows the cop to see if anything is in their waist line under the shirt or else where. Once the cop is satisfied there is nothing there, you tell them to slowly walk back towards you keeping their hands in the air, walking backwards. You tell them to stop in front of your car and get on their knees (camera should always be there and on). Then you tell them to put their right hand on the ground followed by the left, then walk their hands forwards until they are prone. Or you can tell them to cross their ankles while they are on their knees keeping their hands in the air. Then you tell them in either position to interlace their fingers behind their back. This is where the other officer comes into play more, they cover as you handcuff then search. Notice I said tell them, not ask them. You have to tell them and be authoritative.

That is how you do a stop where you suspect someone has a gun and committed a robbery. You don't just go bebopping up to the window and do business. If it turns out you have the wrong guy, you explain to them the situation and apologize to them for their inconvenience. You explain that they matched a description of a dangerous person who committed a serious crime recently in the area. Hopefully they understand, if not then oh well.

If it turns out to be true that the vehicle he was in had a matching tag from the crime that cops were looking for, it changes things a bit. If it turns out that the woman lied, that also changes things somewhat. The Sheriff stated that he did not have a carry permit from them, maybe he had one from another city or bordering state. Maybe not. What doesn't change is that in my opinion if the cop suspected that he was the one from the crime that they were looking for, he should have handled it very differently. If he had done like I explained, there is a very high probability nobody would have been hurt.

 

[shady28]

Cop still screwed up. Look at Ackmed's post earlier on. It is the best post on this thread. The cop thought this was a violent felon. His first job is to secure the perp safely. He acted incorrectly and irresponsibly by asking for the ID. When you ask for an ID, the hands are going to go down. In what world would a cop want a potential felons hands to go down?

Did he ask for ID?

I don't know how much simpler I can make it.

You don't know what the officer did or did not do prior to the shooting.

You don't know what Castile did or did not do prior to the shooting.

Neither does Ackmed.

Congrats on forming a nice little echo chamber for your assumptions though.

 

[bshole]

Did he ask for ID?

I don't know how much simpler I can make it.

You don't know what the officer did or did not do prior to the shooting.

You don't know what Castile did or did not do prior to the shooting.

Neither does Ackmed.

Congrats on forming a nice little echo chamber for your assumptions though.

Dude, you gave me one scenario which was factually incorrect and another scenario that included the officer acting incorrectly.

I have given you a scenario that fits all the facts as we know them. Can you give me one that fits the facts and includes the officer acting correctly? You certainly haven't yet.

In your scenario recall that the officer stated just prior to the stop that he was going to ID the victim and that IMMEDIATELY after the shooting he did not contradict the girlfriend when she said the officer had asked for an ID.

I cannot see any scenario other than mine that falls within reasonable doubt. I really don't.

Remember assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I have EVIDENCE for my assertions.

We know that the cop stopped the shooter because he thought he was violent felon involved in an armed robbery. Based on that, we know how he should have interacted with the suspect.

 

[shady28]

Dude, you gave me one scenario which was factually incorrect and another scenario that included the officer acting incorrectly.

I have given you a scenario that fits all the facts as we know them. Can you give me one that fits the facts and includes the officer acting correctly? You certainly haven't yet.

In your scenario recall that the officer stated just prior to the stop that he was going to ID the victim and that IMMEDIATELY after the shooting he did not contradict the girlfriend when she said the officer had asked for an ID.

I cannot see any scenario other than mine that falls within reasonable doubt. I really don't.

"Dude"

You don't know what the officer did or did not do prior to the shooting.

You don't know what Castile did or did not do prior to the shooting.

Neither does Ackmed.

Congrats on forming a nice little echo chamber for your assumptions though.

 

[LegendKiller]

Castile has zero reason to reach his gun. Period. He has 2 cops around him, GF on his side, his daughter in the back. He is not on drugs or drunk driving (at least no evidence yet), and he told the police he had a licensed concealed gun with him.

If he wants to hurt/kill cops, why did he have to tell the cops he had a gun in the first place?

Cop kept "fuck" ing himself means he knew he did wrong.

You simply do not know that.

He kept "fuck" ing because he knew every leftists POS out there was going to label him as a racist.