BLM: Falcon Heights police fatally shot man

[bshole]

"Dude"

You don't know what the officer did or did not do prior to the shooting.

You don't know what Castile did or did not do prior to the shooting.

Neither does Ackmed.

Congrats on forming a nice little echo chamber for your assumptions though.

Ok, you can't come up with an alternative to my scenario. Think about that. You are unable to come up with an alternative that explains the known facts. You just assert that a theory that comports with the known facts is wrong.

We DO know what the officer did before the shooting based on his own mouth:

When Philando Castile was pulled over Wednesday night by officers Jeronimo Yanez and Joseph Kauser, purportedly for a broken tail light according to the video account of the aftermath of his being shot and killed by Yanez made by passenger Diamond Reynolds, the officers' real reason for wanting to pull them over and check I.D.s is because they thought he was a robbery suspect, according to scanner audio obtained by KARE 11 NBC TV in Minneapolis.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/08/philando-castile-may-have-been-pulled-ov

This establishes that the officer believed he was working with a dangerous and violent felon at the time of the stop. This expressed knowledge on the part of the police officer dictates what his professional responsibility and actions should have been. SECURING THE SUSPECT. There is enough evidence to establish that the officer prioritized IDing over SECURING. You are completely unable to come up with even a remotely plausible alternative.

 

[mxnerd]

You simply do not know that.

He kept "fuck" ing because he knew every leftists POS out there was going to label him as a racist.

I don't know if he is a racist and I absolutely did not label him as a racist. I just completely disagree the power that was given to police - way too much power.

Why can't cop just shoot the hand or leg of suspect? It's not that the cop is several feet away and not able to aim properly. Why do police have to shoot at least 4 -5 times, sometimes over 10, into the chest of the suspect? Just why? Anyone been shot once is painful enough, why U.S. cops always have to put suspect to death?

 

[shady28]

Ok, you can't come up with an alternative to my scenario. Think about that. ...

No, I can. There is no point in doing so but here you go.

Officer pulls over car
Officer approaches driver side, tells driver to put his head up and hands on steering wheel.
Driver says he's armed and reaches for gun.
Officer shoots driver.

How's that?

Want another?


Officer pulls over car
Officer approaches drivers side, notices driver reaching for something
Officer tells driver to put head up, notices the gun and tells driver not to reach for it.
Driver keeps reaching for gun
Officer shoots driver


We can do these fucktarded scenarios all day. You don't know fucking squat about what happened and neither do I. That is the fucking point.

 

[bshole]

No, I can. There is no point in doing so but here you go.

Officer pulls over car
Officer approaches driver side, tells driver to put his head up and hands on steering wheel.
Driver says he's armed and reaches for gun.
Officer shoots driver.

How's that?

Want another?


Officer pulls over car
Officer approaches drivers side, notices driver reaching for something
Officer tells driver to put head up, notices the gun and tells driver not to reach for it.
Driver keeps reaching for gun
Officer shoots driver


We can do these fucktarded scenarios all day. You don't know fucking squat about what happened and neither do I. That is the fucking point.

Those scenarios do not comport with the known facts.

Explain why the girlfriend would have said the officer asked for ID and why the officer did not contradict her. You assume that the girlfriend is a bad person and is lying based on what? Why would she lie?

The actions of the girlfriend were IDENTICAL to the actions of this poor guy who got shot going for his license when told to do so by the cop. Watch both scenarios.

There isn't a SINGLE FUCKING LOGICAL reason for the woman to assert that the cop had asked for ID if he hadn't. Her reaction was..... we were just doing what you told us to do....... the exact same reaction as the victim in the shooting below. Hell that would have been my reaction as well.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63WlopaIIyo

 

[Ackmed]

Did he ask for ID?

I don't know how much simpler I can make it.

You don't know what the officer did or did not do prior to the shooting.

You don't know what Castile did or did not do prior to the shooting.

Neither does Ackmed.

Congrats on forming a nice little echo chamber for your assumptions though.

The only assumption I made was actually not an assumption. The cop said he had reason for the stop, he thought he was the guy from the robbery. That is fine, he should have stopped him. He should not have stopped him like he did though, that was my point. I explained how the stop should have gone, if you have a problem with that I would love to hear it. Sometimes cops stop someone who they expect is a suspect of a violent crime, but don't tell them that is the reason. They may say tail light is out, speeding, etc. So that they don't know they've stopped them for that, to keep things more calm. I am not going to assume that is why the cop did it this way, its possible. I still think the way I explained it is the better option.

That aside, the guy appears to have the gun in his lap from the picture, and does reach down towards his ID or the gun. That's a terrible move. The guy had no idea the cop thought he was a violent criminal they were looking for, so perhaps he thought it was no big deal. Either way poor judgement reaching down towards the gun. He may have legally been carrying the weapon, but I can't imagine anyone agree that reaching towards a gun is a good idea.

Perhaps your made up scenario is close to accurate. Perhaps any number of things happened before the cop pulled him over. Perhaps he was the person they were looking for, was armed illegally and was dangerous. Perhaps he intended to shoot the officer and flee, as happened a few days ago. Maybe the woman is lying her ass off. All the more reason to stop him like I suggested. Or to wait for another officer, trail him for a bit until another shows up. Or perhaps he was a law abiding citizen with a valid carry permit and did nothing wrong. Neither really matters, he shouldn't have stopped him like he did because the cop thought he may have been a suspect in an armed robbery. Maybe another narrative will come out soon and we will know what really happened in the moments before he was pulled over that makes a difference.

When I have been pulled over when carrying, my hands are on the wheel when the officer comes up. I tell him I have a valid carry permit and am armed. Both times they've asked me where it was, when I told them, they've asked me to leave it there. Both times I have gotten my wallet already so that I didn't have to reach down to get it just to make things easier.

Barely a week ago a white guy was killed by cops reaching towards his waist, probably to his wallet in Fresno. Shot dead, pulled over by mistaken identity. Which is what may have happened here. Of course there is no thread about it here, no huge uproar by media, governors, protestors, etc. But that's another story all together.

Also, when you posted pics of the woman you said that Hennessey was whiskey. It is in fact Cognac. I know this because it's my favorite liquor. Just keeping the facts straight.

 

[shady28]

Those scenarios do not comport with the known facts.

Explain why the girlfriend would have said the officer asked for ID and why the officer did not contradict her. You assume that the girlfriend is a bad person and is lying based on what?

What FACTS?

I did not assume anything. I used the only known FACTS.

You have only heard one side of the story, yet you've completed the narrative in you narrow, tiny little brain.

You are a complete slime-ball for participating in the lynching of people in the court of public opinion, counting your conjecture as if it were fact, refusing to see that there is another potential side to the entire affair.

By the way, where's your outrage over this guy? He didn't even have a gun.

Where are the protests?

Where's the anger?

No? Are you a fucking racist or something? I guess he's just another stupid redneck so nobody cares?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...es-matter-protest-dylan-noble-shooting-fresno

According to the police’s version of the incident, the officers believed Noble was armed and fired four shots at him when he allegedly advanced toward them with his hand behind his back.

It turned out that Noble did not have a weapon on him or in his vehicle, police chief Jerry Dyer said in an interview. Dyer, however, insisted that the two officers, now on administrative leave, acted appropriately.

 

[shady28]

The only assumption I made was actually not an assumption. The cop said he had reason for the stop, he thought he was the guy from the robbery. That is fine, he should have stopped him. He should not have stopped him like he did though, that was my point. I explained how the stop should have gone, if you have a problem with that I would love to hear it.

I don't have a problem with how you said the stop should have gone as.

But nowhere did you say it went that way, nor do I think you said it didn't.

My point is that bshole doesn't know either. You don't know. I don't know.

But BSHOLE wants to draw a conclusion without knowing the other side of the story, without knowing what the police car cam shows, without knowing what the 2nd cop said.


THAT I have a problem with.

 

[Ackmed]

I don't have a problem with how you said the stop should have gone as.

But nowhere did you say it went that way, nor do I think you said it didn't.

My point is that bshole doesn't know either. You don't know. I don't know.

But BSHOLE wants to draw a conclusion without knowing the other side of the story, without knowing what the police car cam shows, without knowing what the 2nd cop said.


THAT I have a problem with.

I agree that we don't know everything, far from it. About all we know is that the cop stated he was pulling him over and that he suspected him as a possible suspect of the armed robbery. There is a dispatch recording of the events.

Other than that we don't know anything for sure. Almost anything is possible. You said I don't know, which is true. I also never claimed to know. The main issue I have is how he stopped him when he thought he was a suspect. Maybe the woman is telling the truth, maybe she is lying about one or several things. Originally I have said that it looks like 100% the cops fault in my first post way back, I also said based on my limited knowledge what happened. To me it still looks like the cops fault, but that is why we have a process to find facts and not judge anyone so quickly based off of little information. I assume we will find out more later, but for we don't know much. Not that my judgement or opinion matters one bit, but until more facts come out I can't say for sure, for now I side that the cop is in the wrong.

 

[Knowing]

I don't know if he is a racist and I absolutely did not label him as a racist. I just completely disagree the power that was given to police - way too much power.

Why can't cop just shoot the hand or leg of suspect? It's not that the cop is several feet away and not able to aim properly. Why do police have to shoot at least 4 -5 times, sometimes over 10, into the chest of the suspect? Just why? Anyone been shot once is painful enough, why U.S. cops always have to put suspect to death?

Because shoot to wound is only in the movies. You shoot at center mass and you fire until the danger is neutralized.

 

[mxnerd]

Because shoot to wound is only in the movies. You shoot at center mass and you fire until the danger is neutralized.

Yeah, right. U.S. cop's training is so bad that they can't aim anything within 2 feet.

The police of other countries have much better training and they can always shoot at legs or hands.

 

[LegendKiller]

Yeah, right. U.S. cop's training is so bad that they can't aim anything within 2 feet.

The police of other countries have much better training and they can always shoot at legs or hands.

Lol.

 

[Victorian Gray]

What is coming out now is an entirely different story that the one we heard as narration on a video.

The reason the car was pulled over was not for a broken tail light. The car was pulled over because Castile matched the description of a man who committed an armed robbery at a convenience store several days prior.

There is no record of Castile having or applying for a concealed carry permit.

A careful look at the video will show that Castile had a handgun on his thigh and that it appears to match the handgun used in the armed robbery.

So, what's the truth? Perhaps not what you haven chosen to believe as you lick your lips hoping to benefit from this.

I'm going to refrain from voicing my disgust for you.

Local paper says you're full of shit.

Philando Castile had permit to carry gun

"Philando Castile had a valid permit to carry a gun when he was shot and killed by a St. Anthony police officer, a source confirmed to the Star Tribune Friday."
...

"Although the names of gun permit holders are not public under state law, a source confirmed Castile was issued the permit when he lived in Robbinsdale."

http://www.startribune.com/philando-castile-had-permit-to-carry-gun/386054481/

and matching the description? If you believe the recording that's floating around matching the description meant he had a wider nose like one of the alleged suspects.

And you have the nerve to talk about how others disgust you?

 

[LegendKiller]

Local paper says you're full of shit.

Philando Castile had permit to carry gun

"Philando Castile had a valid permit to carry a gun when he was shot and killed by a St. Anthony police officer, a source confirmed to the Star Tribune Friday."
...

"Although the names of gun permit holders are not public under state law, a source confirmed Castile was issued the permit when he lived in Robbinsdale."

http://www.startribune.com/philando-castile-had-permit-to-carry-gun/386054481/

and matching the description? If you believe the recording that's floating around matching the description meant he had a wider nose like one of the alleged suspects.

And you have the nerve to talk about how others disgust you?

Local paper could be wrong. Hennepin could have issued it since he apparently got it in Robbinsdale, we haven't heard yet. We do know that ramsey, where he lives now, didn't issue it. We will have to wait for the official response. We also don't know if the gun was legal.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Local paper could be wrong. Hennepin could have issued it since he apparently got it in Robbinsdale, we haven't heard yet. We do know that ramsey, where he lives now, didn't issue it. We will have to wait for the official response. We also don't know if the gun was legal.

And you're just as bad as he is.

 

[JSt0rm]

You simply do not know that.

He kept "fuck" ing because he knew every leftists POS out there was going to label him as a racist.

Maybe he kept fucking because he realized the finality of taking another human life in that moment. Maybe all of his dream and aspirations about firing round after round into the flesh and bone of another human being like he would a deer wasn't as rewarding after the fact as the excitement and dream of doing it before. Maybe.

 

[LegendKiller]

Maybe he kept fucking because he realized the finality of taking another human life in that moment. Maybe all of his dream and aspirations about firing round after round into the flesh and bone of another human being like he would a deer wasn't as rewarding after the fact as the excitement and dream of doing it before. Maybe.

Yeah, because I am sure it is everybody's goal to kill people. Fuck off.

 

[LegendKiller]

And you're just as bad as he is.

Hardly. I keep saying we don't know.

 

[JSt0rm]

Yeah, because I am sure it is everybody's goal to kill people. Fuck off.

Why is my scenario unlikely but yours is?

 

[JSt0rm]

Because liberals!

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

Here is the transcript. What is extremely evident is that:

1. The cop KNEW he had screwed up. That is absolutely and unequivocally true.
2. The cop had asked for ID. He never once denied that fact. The girlfriend repeatedly said that the victim was only complying with a valid order from a police officer.



http://time.com/4397189/minnesota-shooting-philando-castiles-facebook-live-transcript/

Sorry about the late reply.

My opinion is that I will (unfortunately) have to WAIT until better/fuller/more/reliable information comes out about this incident. This may take a very long time, especially as so many policemen have (apparently) been executed and shot/wounded, partly/mainly as a result of this (one and the other very recent), police shooting.

The limited evidence available so far, gives different slants on what has happened, some good, some bad as regards the Police and shot person.

I'm just going to have to wait and see.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Hardly. I keep saying we don't know.

Liar.

"He had the gun in his lap, the cop likely saw it there and the guy was reaching close to it, if not for it."

 

[LegendKiller]

Liar.

"He had the gun in his lap, the cop likely saw it there and the guy was reaching close to it, if not for it."

We now know he did have a gun in his lap. Cops attorney is saying it on national tv and is corroborated by the video which shows the trigger guard. The rest of my post is speculation.

 

[umbrella39]

You know, all that is on the video is the "testimony" of the girlfriend after the shooting occurred. We know nothing about what preceeded the shooting. Nothing.

It's ridiculous to think that so many people just blindly believe whatever she says, knowing nothing about her.

Here's the girlfriend, in a moving car, with a bottle of whisky.

This person is the source of the allegations against police :

Here's another image from her facebook page - WTF is this :

It appears that Castile was a crip, or a crip wannabe (gang).

You continue to be a dirt bag POS... Keep digging...

 

[BUTCH1]

The only assumption I made was actually not an assumption. The cop said he had reason for the stop, he thought he was the guy from the robbery. That is fine, he should have stopped him. He should not have stopped him like he did though, that was my point. I explained how the stop should have gone, if you have a problem with that I would love to hear it. Sometimes cops stop someone who they expect is a suspect of a violent crime, but don't tell them that is the reason. They may say tail light is out, speeding, etc. So that they don't know they've stopped them for that, to keep things more calm. I am not going to assume that is why the cop did it this way, its possible. I still think the way I explained it is the better option.

That aside, the guy appears to have the gun in his lap from the picture, and does reach down towards his ID or the gun. That's a terrible move. The guy had no idea the cop thought he was a violent criminal they were looking for, so perhaps he thought it was no big deal. Either way poor judgement reaching down towards the gun. He may have legally been carrying the weapon, but I can't imagine anyone agree that reaching towards a gun is a good idea.

Perhaps your made up scenario is close to accurate. Perhaps any number of things happened before the cop pulled him over. Perhaps he was the person they were looking for, was armed illegally and was dangerous. Perhaps he intended to shoot the officer and flee, as happened a few days ago. Maybe the woman is lying her ass off. All the more reason to stop him like I suggested. Or to wait for another officer, trail him for a bit until another shows up. Or perhaps he was a law abiding citizen with a valid carry permit and did nothing wrong. Neither really matters, he shouldn't have stopped him like he did because the cop thought he may have been a suspect in an armed robbery. Maybe another narrative will come out soon and we will know what really happened in the moments before he was pulled over that makes a difference.

When I have been pulled over when carrying, my hands are on the wheel when the officer comes up. I tell him I have a valid carry permit and am armed. Both times they've asked me where it was, when I told them, they've asked me to leave it there. Both times I have gotten my wallet already so that I didn't have to reach down to get it just to make things easier.

Barely a week ago a white guy was killed by cops reaching towards his waist, probably to his wallet in Fresno. Shot dead, pulled over by mistaken identity. Which is what may have happened here. Of course there is no thread about it here, no huge uproar by media, governors, protestors, etc. But that's another story all together.

Also, when you posted pics of the woman you said that Hennessey was whiskey. It is in fact Cognac. I know this because it's my favorite liquor. Just keeping the facts straight.

I've watched the video several times and paused it when she pans over to her dying boyfriend and I can't see the gun in his lap or anywhere else. As for him as a robbery suspect he fit a "general description" of the robber but that's about it. Yes, it's true that all the facts are not in but common sense should have told the cop that if he was someone that was planning to take a shot at him he would not have revealed he was carrying a weapon. I'll wait for the cop's body-cam (if he was wearing one) footage but it's not looking good for that cop at this point. I think him yelling "Fuck!" several times near the end of the vid (when the phone is on the grass) was him knowing he just overreacted and is in deep shit.

 

[LegendKiller]

You continue to be a dirt bag POS... Keep digging...

Funny how people are more than willing to question the honor of a police officer and impugn his integrity but never question people like this.

Dare being up Trayvon or brown past? You're a horrible racist!