Blix on not finding any WMD yet

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Powell and Rice were both on TV this morning and both reaffirmed their positions that the intel. was good, the trailers are WMD labs and that more WMD would be found.
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Had you expected they'd come on and say that Bush lied? I don't expect you to agree. The bias in the argument is that I'm a skeptic and you're a believer. I never felt the war was about WMD from the start. Your bias is that news media hype determines my judgment because your life experience shows you how news media hype stampedes people. My life experience tells me that the news media hype is almost totally pro Admin., any Admin., and has formed your complete outlook in subtle ways you don't recognize. Who's right if either. I would love to believe as you do, but I've spent a life of self examination, some small scratching of the surface anyway, particularly self rationalization and self lying. My self analysis cost me everything I believed. I paid with everything I ever loved and treasured for what I see. All the visibly dearest naive notions and quieting dreams that sustained me were shattered. But illusion runs unbelievably deep. I don't think one can get truly free without a guide. The blindness is just too profound. \

But whatever the case, my journey through my own self delusions, if you'll pardon my immodesty, has left me with a sure instinct and vision into the illusion of others, at least up to the point where they?ve been unwilling to pay as big a price as I. I have the distinct impression that I never miss. That confidence, I fear, carries over to you. I will continue to rely on the Moonbeam Duck Test in these matters. The only real question in all of this to me is will our action in Iraq lead to a better world than if we had pursued another course. I'm persuaded there was a better way. I don't like an egomaniacal leadership stampeding my country into an illegal war on the basis of a secret religious doctrine they are afraid to share. Sorry. The weapons issue of of small moment in that picture. The notion that Iraq was an immediate threat (the central issue) fell in the opening days of the war. Three weeks and the statues fell. Wow, what a threat.

Getting past all your bullsh!t where you claim to know who I am and your own proclamation about how smart you are here's what we are left with:
Your bias towards Bush is clear and well demonstrated and if you think anyone here is convinced that you have used "good intuitive and reasoning faculties" to arrive at your conclusions, you are sadly mistaken. That's what every one of your arguments breaks down into and once again we have come full circle.

UQ - Getting past all your bullsh!t your bias towards Bush is clear and well demonstrated. That's what every one of your arguments breaks down into and once again we have come full circle.

Is there anything Bush could do that you wouldn't agree with?

Woof woof woof woof woof. Woof woof woof.

Good boy.

 

[Moonbeam]

Be our "guide." Get us through the blindness. I rebuke you and your secret "Moonbeam Duck Test."
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Can you pass the Nasrudin Chicken Test?

One day Mulla Nasrudin was taking chickens to market, carrying them in crates on his back. An hour or so into his journey he tired and set the chickens free to walk. He started out again to guide them too the market, but the chickens wandered off in every directions. "How come", he yelled, "you know when the sun's coming up and you don't even know where I'm going?"

Do your homework Tal: Don't assume that the media shaped me in subtle ways beyond my "simple" comprehension. Read what I said to UQ about this remark of his: "Getting past all your bullsh!t where you claim to know who I am and your own proclamation about how smart you are...."

Lesson one, understand projection.

 

[Tal]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Be our "guide." Get us through the blindness. I rebuke you and your secret "Moonbeam Duck Test."
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Can you pass the Nasrudin Chicken Test?

One day Mulla Nasrudin was taking chickens to market, carrying them in crates on his back. An hour or so into his journey he tired and set the chickens free to walk. He started out again to guide them too the market, but the chickens wandered off in every directions. "How come", he yelled, "you know when the sun's coming up and you don't even know where I'm going?"

Do your homework Tal: Don't assume that the media shaped me in subtle ways beyond my "simple" comprehension. Read what I said to UQ about this remark of his: "Getting past all your bullsh!t where you claim to know who I am and your own proclamation about how smart you are...."

Lesson one, understand projection.

What's lesson two? How to cook chickens? And I think I failed the test. It seemed like a funny story though. Chickens.... hahahaha.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Tal

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Be our "guide." Get us through the blindness. I rebuke you and your secret "Moonbeam Duck Test."
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Can you pass the Nasrudin Chicken Test?

One day Mulla Nasrudin was taking chickens to market, carrying them in crates on his back. An hour or so into his journey he tired and set the chickens free to walk. He started out again to guide them too the market, but the chickens wandered off in every directions. "How come", he yelled, "you know when the sun's coming up and you don't even know where I'm going?"

Do your homework Tal: Don't assume that the media shaped me in subtle ways beyond my "simple" comprehension. Read what I said to UQ about this remark of his: "Getting past all your bullsh!t where you claim to know who I am and your own proclamation about how smart you are...."

Lesson one, understand projection.

What's lesson two? How to cook chickens? And I think I failed the test. It seemed like a funny story though. Chickens.... hahahaha.

Nah, Tal... lesson two incorporates lesson one to the extent that; if the the chickens knew the destination why would the Mulla assume they would want to go with him. Perhaps the chickens did know and were trying to get back home but didn't know the way... or chickens ain't that smart and assumed their beloved owner was going there to sell himself and they so far from home would likely never get back. So much for 'birds of a feather flock together'.

 

[Tal]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Tal

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Be our "guide." Get us through the blindness. I rebuke you and your secret "Moonbeam Duck Test."
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Can you pass the Nasrudin Chicken Test?

One day Mulla Nasrudin was taking chickens to market, carrying them in crates on his back. An hour or so into his journey he tired and set the chickens free to walk. He started out again to guide them too the market, but the chickens wandered off in every directions. "How come", he yelled, "you know when the sun's coming up and you don't even know where I'm going?"

Do your homework Tal: Don't assume that the media shaped me in subtle ways beyond my "simple" comprehension. Read what I said to UQ about this remark of his: "Getting past all your bullsh!t where you claim to know who I am and your own proclamation about how smart you are...."

Lesson one, understand projection.

What's lesson two? How to cook chickens? And I think I failed the test. It seemed like a funny story though. Chickens.... hahahaha.

Nah, Tal... lesson two incorporates lesson one to the extent that; if the the chickens knew the destination why would the Mulla assume they would want to go with him. Perhaps the chickens did know and were trying to get back home but didn't know the way... or chickens ain't that smart and assumed their beloved owner was going there to sell himself and they so far from home would likely never get back. So much for 'birds of a feather flock together'.

Ha! 0wn3d !!!! Oh, wait. Damn. Is this against me? *mumbles something incoherant*

 

[LunarRay]

House Joint Resolution 114 as sent to the Congress by the President. He later signed it into law. It contains many reasons to authorize the invasion including:
" Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself." Quote from HRJR 114
Bush used Article VII of the charter in the UN draft res that failed but included it in his proposed res that became HRJR114
This language, the more and more I read it forces me to conclude that the craft used in its writing provides the ability to escape any legal issue with congress or the UN. It is well written.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moral one. Don't ask for a guide if you don't know how to follow. You implied I was inferring your simpleness just as UQ inferred I meant he was stupid. My clarification to him on the nature of projection ought to have been obvious for somebody as anxious for instruction as you hence the chicken story.

HJ, get back in the cage. You're going to confuse the hell out of this pecker head.

Reminds me of the time Mulla Nasrudin went with one of his neophytes to get his donkey. A wandering Dervish appeared on a nearby hummock and pointed at the sky. A madman thought the student. There is one truth and it cover all, thought the Mulla and held up his rope. Good thought the student, if he tries anything funny the Mulla has warned him we will tie him up. Ah yes, said the Dervish, and ordinary man tries to reach it by means as ridiculous as ascending into the sky on a rope.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Moral one. Don't ask for a guide if you don't know how to follow. You implied I was inferring your simpleness just as UQ inferred I meant he was stupid. My clarification to him on the nature of projection ought to have been obvious for somebody as anxious for instruction as you hence the chicken story.

HJ, get back in the cage. You're going to confuse the hell out of this pecker head.

Reminds me of the time Mulla Nasrudin went with one of his neophytes to get his donkey. A wandering Dervish appeared on a nearby hummock and pointed at the sky. A madman thought the student. There is one truth and it cover all, thought the Mulla and held up his rope. Good thought the student, if he tries anything funny the Mulla has warned him we will tie him up. Ah yes, said the Dervish, and ordinary man tries to reach it by means as ridiculous as ascending into the sky on a rope.

Yes, Master.... can I have the rat to eat??

 

[Tal]

I love your stories Moonbeam.

 

[LunarRay]

MB,
Reminds me of the time Mulla Nasrudin went with one of his neophytes to get his donkey. A wandering Dervish appeared on a nearby hummock and pointed at the sky. A madman thought the student. There is one truth and it cover all, thought the Mulla and held up his rope. Good thought the student, if he tries anything funny the Mulla has warned him we will tie him up. Ah yes, said the Dervish, and ordinary man tries to reach it by means as ridiculous as ascending into the sky on a rope.

Ya think the Mulla was trying to indicate to the Dervish that the neophyte forgot the rope to bring the strong willed donkey along but, the Dervish also missed the point...? Possible no?

I want the rat..... yummy rats are good..
I should add, and do by edit:

" He arrived at a place where ego dissolves and a resonance with universal soul comes in. Dervish literally means 'doorway'. When what is communicated moves from presence to presence, darshan occurs, with language inside the seeing. When the gravitational pull gets even stronger, the two become one turning that is molecular and galactic and a spiritual remembering of the presence at the center of the universe. Turning is an image of how the dervish becomes an empty place where human and divine can meet. To approach the whole the part must become mad, by conventional standards at least. These ecstatic holy people, called matzubs in the sufi tradition, redefine this sort of madness as true health."

Well over my head.. as is most high ceilings

 

[Tal]

You could also add:
"A secret turning in us
makes the universe turn.
Head unaware of feet,
and feet head. Neither cares.
They keep turning."

but I wouldn't.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Tal
You could also add:
"A secret turning in us
makes the universe turn.
Head unaware of feet,
and feet head. Neither cares.
They keep turning."

but I wouldn't.

The key is ya also gotta be mad... like Rensfield asking Dracula for the rat... mad.. then you are near true health.

Where's Moonfield and his pet rat.. mangroth? He is healthy and I assume mad.

 

[Gaard]

My head hurts after reading the last dozen or so posts. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Chickens, rats, wandering Dervishes?? I'd like to see Hannity debate this.

 

[Moonbeam]

If I'm mad I'm never quite so mad as when etech tells me so.

Love you Tal. My heart flys, drunk on moonshine.

HR, I had no idea so much were contained in rat and Dervish. I bow before your illumination and thank you.

Gaard, trust the force.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If I'm mad I'm never quite so mad as when etech tells me so.

Love you Tal. My heart flys, drunk on moonshine.

HR, I had no idea so much were contained in rat and Dervish. I bow before your illumination and thank you.

Gaard, trust the force.

Obi Wan, the force is strong with you. I am but as the ant... thought to be strong to ten times its size but, the size is so small and so the force, comparitive to the Beam...

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Tal
You could also add:
"A secret turning in us
makes the universe turn.
Head unaware of feet,
and feet head. Neither cares.
They keep turning."

but I wouldn't.

Is that because of the Rumi tism?

 

[Mean MrMustard]

UQ, you believe in the "Magic Bullet Theory" don't you?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: ELP
UQ, you believe in the "Magic Bullet Theory" don't you?

Excuse the butt in...

How else could the bullet travel in all those directions if not for Arlen's theory.. seemed logical to the Warren Commission at the time. Pristine too.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: ELP
UQ, you believe in the "Magic Bullet Theory" don't you?

If you are talking to me, please explain your question. I seem to have misplaced my secret decoder ring.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: ELP
UQ, you believe in the "Magic Bullet Theory" don't you?

If you are talking to me, please explain your question. I seem to have misplaced my secret decoder ring.

read between the lines

Reading comprehension may not be one of your strong points, but I know you BS'ing with me. You know well what I'm talking about.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: ELP
UQ, you believe in the "Magic Bullet Theory" don't you?

If you are talking to me, please explain your question. I seem to have misplaced my secret decoder ring.

read between the lines

Reading comprehension may not be one of your strong points, but I know you BS'ing with me. You know well what I'm talking about.

Reading comprehension is one of my strong points but I don't have time nor the inclination to play some kind of word game with you. Ask the question, make your point or move along.

 

[JellyBaby]

Reading comprehension is one of my strong points but I don't have time nor the inclination to play some kind of word game with you. Ask the question, make your point or move along

Yes! Play by the rules of the sandbox or take your Tonka truck home!

 

[Tal]

I love tonka trucks.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: ELP
UQ, you believe in the "Magic Bullet Theory" don't you?

If you are talking to me, please explain your question. I seem to have misplaced my secret decoder ring.

read between the lines

Reading comprehension may not be one of your strong points, but I know you BS'ing with me. You know well what I'm talking about.

Reading comprehension is one of my strong points but I don't have time nor the inclination to play some kind of word game with you. Ask the question, make your point or move along.

Maybe it's too deep for you.

 

[Moonbeam]

God damn it. What's the Magic Bullet Theory and how does it apply here?