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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
-- exactly!! Such as religious institutions......take alook around how many churches there are in the country and look and see how many are feeding the hungry...putting clothges on peoples backs and helping them have a warm place to stay for the night....just doesn`t add up does it?

Those numbers are posted earlier in this thread.

I would bet 25% (tops) of a churchs budget beats the pants off the 0% liberals give. :)

I seriously would doubt it!! I would also serioudly question your figure of 25% of a churches budget goes towards feeding and clothing and helping the homeless in any way....

Another novel concept that you fail to grasp....
Quite a few liberals attend church or synagogue and also contribute.......yet you are assuming that because somebody is liberal they don`t attend church!...hmmmm

If you want to get technical Jesus was a liberal.....


You also are assuming that liberals don`t care about the poor, hungry and homeless...that is so far from the truth.

Peace!!
Wait is he saying that only Conservatives donate to their church? Americans are far and away practioners of the Christian religion be they Conservative, Liberal or Moderate and practice it the same including donations.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Why even bother posting such inflammatory drivel? If you really believe liberals are evil, then you basically hate 50% of this country.

Instead of posting this crap, why not try to find some things that you have in common with liberals and agree to disagree on other things? That way, we, as a country, might move to a more productive dialogue versus the current "you suck," "nuhh uhhh you suck more" shit that goes on.

Do you really think that he's interested in that, at all? I mean this seriously, do you actually think that he posts here because he wants to participate in a constructive exchange of ideas?

You mean like the last 8 years of your side's "constructive exchange"? :laugh:

Seriously though -it's quite entertaining to see all the twisted panties over this...
Yeah that's the Christmas Spirit, spread the good cheer:roll:

Ah, so one side has to bend over and spread their good cheer so the other can bone them? Puhfugginleeze. BJ and eskimo got what they were giving.

All well I hope you being able to rant against Liberals to your heart's content gives you some pleasure. I hope in real life you're not fucked up like SpecOp is and when you leave these forums you leave the bitterness here and don't carry on in real life like him.

lol, like I take anything from DU-lite seriously - especially from you libs here.
 

BMW540I6speed

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Typical 21st century young conservative mantra. Blame all their personal shortcomings in life & whatever incesent paranoia they are feeling on some goofy ficticious "liberal" movement or on just a "label", a word, that they think in some way, that they can "label" more than half of the countrys population. Get out and live your life and stop looking for a scapegoat for your rage about nothing.
 
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Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Typical 21st century young conservative mantra. Blame all their personal shortcomings in life & whatever incesent paranoia they are feeling on some goofy ficticious "liberal" movement or on just a "label", a word, that they think in some way, that they can "label" more than half of the countrys population. Get out and live your life and stop looking for a scapegoat for your rage about nothing.
Don't you see that the same can be said for liberals?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, like I take anything from DU-lite seriously - especially from you libs here.
So we're to take that as once you leave these forums you are consumed with the bitterness that seems to fill SpecOp. That's great and the way it should be for both sides. I'm glad to hear that you don't consider 50% of the country as your enemies, in fact I hope you don't consider any of us as your enemies and that if by chance we're to meet we might enjoy a beer and a good laugh.:beer:
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, like I take anything from DU-lite seriously - especially from you libs here.
So we're to take that as once you leave these forums you are consumed with the bitterness that seems to fill SpecOp. That's great and the way it should be for both sides. I'm glad to hear that you don't consider 50% of the country as your enemies, in fact I hope you don't consider any of us as your enemies and that if by chance we're to meet we might enjoy a beer and a good laugh.:beer:

Sure, I have plenty of liberal friends and actually married into a pretty liberal family. I'm working on them though...over beers.

Are they my enemy? Politically, sure. Do I think they are politically misguided? sure. Do I think their ideology is dangerous for America? Sure, but it doesn't mean they are bad people.

Now back to the subject...
 
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"
Interesting the mental gymnastics one must go through to come to the conclusion that liberal and conservative giving are essentially equivalent. Let's see...let's eliminate the largest giving faction from the equation from one subset...see that...they're both about equal now...I feel so much better about myself and everyone who doesn't see the lie of this charitable giving fallacy is an idiot. Amazing logic...just amazing.

Well if you read the study that is what he and others did to the "liberal" charities so that the republican group like it gave more.

But I am sure you read into the study and how they got their data and what data they cut out, right? You are not one of the idiots that just reads the headlines and believes whatever it says, right?
I've read several studies on this subject...the results are what they are...spin it anyway you want if it happens to help you feel good about yourself though. You know....to me, it's not the money so much as it's about the time spent helping others...real people with real needs. Seems to me that some think the best way to attack problems is to get directly involved helping instead of looking to the government or someone else to do it. There are a lot of conservatives that are compassionate...deal with it.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, like I take anything from DU-lite seriously - especially from you libs here.
So we're to take that as once you leave these forums you are consumed with the bitterness that seems to fill SpecOp. That's great and the way it should be for both sides. I'm glad to hear that you don't consider 50% of the country as your enemies, in fact I hope you don't consider any of us as your enemies and that if by chance we're to meet we might enjoy a beer and a good laugh.:beer:

Sure, I have plenty of liberal friends and actually married into a pretty liberal family. I'm working on them though...over beers.

Are they my enemy? Politically, sure. Do I think they are politically misguided? sure. Do I think their ideology is dangerous for America? Sure, but it doesn't mean they are bad people.

Now back to the subject...
Yeah I'm not very charitable but that's because things are a little tight for us this year with the Budget shortfall for MA they are cutting back on health services and my wife might be facing a layoff or a cut in hours and my work being seasonal with the season just ending. If I had it though I would give some. The recession is making it presence felt in our household:thumbsdown:

 

ZeGermans

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rerun the test comparing religious to non-religious and see if we can find a better correlation. Besides I'd rather give money to the government for such works in taxes than give it to pat robertson so he can use it to open more gold mines and support more african despots.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, like I take anything from DU-lite seriously - especially from you libs here.
So we're to take that as once you leave these forums you are consumed with the bitterness that seems to fill SpecOp. That's great and the way it should be for both sides. I'm glad to hear that you don't consider 50% of the country as your enemies, in fact I hope you don't consider any of us as your enemies and that if by chance we're to meet we might enjoy a beer and a good laugh.:beer:

Sure, I have plenty of liberal friends and actually married into a pretty liberal family. I'm working on them though...over beers.

Are they my enemy? Politically, sure. Do I think they are politically misguided? sure. Do I think their ideology is dangerous for America? Sure, but it doesn't mean they are bad people.

Now back to the subject...
Yeah I'm not very charitable but that's because things are a little tight for us this year with the Budget shortfall for MA they are cutting back on health services and my wife might be facing a layoff or a cut in hours and my work being seasonal with the season just ending. If I had it though I would give some. The recession is making it presence felt in our household:thumbsdown:

I am sorry to hear that!!
Let me tell you I don`t have jack squat to give. Yet somehow I manage to help people in other ways that are just as important as giving money!!

Merry Christmas!!
Peace to you and your family!!
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, like I take anything from DU-lite seriously - especially from you libs here.
So we're to take that as once you leave these forums you are consumed with the bitterness that seems to fill SpecOp. That's great and the way it should be for both sides. I'm glad to hear that you don't consider 50% of the country as your enemies, in fact I hope you don't consider any of us as your enemies and that if by chance we're to meet we might enjoy a beer and a good laugh.:beer:

Sure, I have plenty of liberal friends and actually married into a pretty liberal family. I'm working on them though...over beers.

Are they my enemy? Politically, sure. Do I think they are politically misguided? sure. Do I think their ideology is dangerous for America? Sure, but it doesn't mean they are bad people.

Now back to the subject...
Yeah I'm not very charitable but that's because things are a little tight for us this year with the Budget shortfall for MA they are cutting back on health services and my wife might be facing a layoff or a cut in hours and my work being seasonal with the season just ending. If I had it though I would give some. The recession is making it presence felt in our household:thumbsdown:

I am sorry to hear that!!
Let me tell you I don`t have jack squat to give. Yet somehow I manage to help people in other ways that are just as important as giving money!!

Merry Christmas!!
Peace to you and your family!!
Yeah my wife is the Coupon Queen and she's been giving out razors, lotions and candy to all those at her job trying to pick up their spirits

 

winnar111

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It's very easy to be generous with other people's money. I remember the comparison between Bush's and Gore's charitable donations.
 

Zebo

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The rights charity argument is fallacious since charities are highly localized. Meaning rich neighborhoods have great charities but poor areas get none (save probably the catholics soup kitchens who go everywhere looking for converts)... Essentially rich neighborhoods are giving the money back to themselves investing in things that reflect their religious preferences and interests not according to need. This is exactly backwards from the way to help to the communities that need it most.. That's why we need a central and fair distribution which only the govt can provide without regard to religion, race, or geographic location. I am concerned about anonymous welfare checks that seduce and trap people into dependency but it's a tough issue whereby you can warehouse them in Sec8 or prison. Take your pick.
 

Lanyap

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Originally posted by: Zebo
The rights charity argument is fallacious since charities are highly localized. Meaning rich neighborhoods have great charities but poor areas get none (save probably the catholics soup kitchens who go everywhere looking for converts)... Essentially rich neighborhoods are giving the money back to themselves investing in things that reflect their religious preferences and interests not according to need. This is exactly backwards from the way to help to the communities that need it most.. That's why we need a central and fair distribution which only the govt can provide without regard to religion, race, or geographic location. I am concerned about anonymous welfare checks that seduce and trap people into dependency but it's a tough issue whereby you can warehouse them in Sec8 or prison. Take your pick.

Straw man? You left out the biggest group of people - The Middle Class. The rich and the poor are the extremes and represent a very small portion. Please explain how The Middle Class fits into your argument.

I have always lived in middle class neighborhoods/communities/suburbs and they always have numerous churches of various denominations. Some were more involved in charity services than others. Anecdotal, yes, but I suspect most people in this forum have experienced this whether they actually attend/ed church or not.

 

Lanyap

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
rerun the test comparing religious to non-religious and see if we can find a better correlation. Besides I'd rather give money to the government for such works in taxes than give it to pat robertson so he can use it to open more gold mines and support more african despots.

This type of reply tends to pop up in these types of discussions. You need to realize that many people pay their taxes AND give to charities and other worthy, in their opinion, causes when they can. Most are middle class and their charitable contributions tend to stay on the community.

 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
I guess its easy to be generous with others money. Bit more difficult when your the one asked to put a penny in the till for someone else.

No suprises here. Damn liberal tighasses wanting to give away other peoples money.

Article

Bleeding Heart Tightwads
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

This holiday season is a time to examine who?s been naughty and who?s been nice, but I?m unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.

Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, ?Who Really Cares,? cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

Other research has reached similar conclusions. The ?generosity index? from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.

The upshot is that Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans ? the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.

?When I started doing research on charity,? Mr. Brooks wrote, ?I expected to find that political liberals ? who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did ? would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views.?

Something similar is true internationally. European countries seem to show more compassion than America in providing safety nets for the poor, and they give far more humanitarian foreign aid per capita than the United States does. But as individuals, Europeans are far less charitable than Americans.

Americans give sums to charity equivalent to 1.67 percent of G.N.P., according to a terrific new book, ?Philanthrocapitalism,? by Matthew Bishop and Michael Green. The British are second, with 0.73 percent, while the stingiest people on the list are the French, at 0.14 percent.

(Looking away from politics, there?s evidence that one of the most generous groups in America is gays. Researchers believe that is because they are less likely to have rapacious heirs pushing to keep wealth in the family.)

When liberals see the data on giving, they tend to protest that conservatives look good only because they shower dollars on churches ? that a fair amount of that money isn?t helping the poor, but simply constructing lavish spires.

It?s true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more, and religious liberals are as generous as religious conservatives. Among the stingiest of the stingy are secular conservatives.

According to Google?s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

In any case, if conservative donations often end up building extravagant churches, liberal donations frequently sustain art museums, symphonies, schools and universities that cater to the well-off. (It?s great to support the arts and education, but they?re not the same as charity for the needy. And some research suggests that donations to education actually increase inequality because they go mostly to elite institutions attended by the wealthy.)

Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent.

So, you?ve guessed it! This column is a transparent attempt this holiday season to shame liberals into being more charitable. Since I often scold Republicans for being callous in their policies toward the needy, it seems only fair to reproach Democrats for being cheap in their private donations. What I want for Christmas is a healthy competition between left and right to see who actually does more for the neediest.

Of course, given the economic pinch these days, charity isn?t on the top of anyone?s agenda. Yet the financial ability to contribute to charity, and the willingness to do so, are strikingly unrelated. Amazingly, the working poor, who have the least resources, somehow manage to be more generous as a percentage of income than the middle class.

So, even in tough times, there are ways to help. Come on liberals, redeem yourselves, and put your wallets where your hearts are.

Thank you for the reminder that everyone who can afford to help others should do what they can. I will stop by my local soup kitchen and write a check.

Thank you again!
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Besides I'd rather give money to the government for such works in taxes than give it to pat robertson so he can use it to open more gold mines and support more african despots.

But only one of those parties makes contributions compulsory. You're perfectly free to refuse to give a dime to Pat Robertson (sounds like you're giving him nothing right now) or any other charity, but try not paying your taxes and see what happens.
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
I guess its easy to be generous with others money. Bit more difficult when your the one asked to put a penny in the till for someone else.

No suprises here. Damn liberal tighasses wanting to give away other peoples money.

Article

Bleeding Heart Tightwads
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

This holiday season is a time to examine who?s been naughty and who?s been nice, but I?m unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.

Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, ?Who Really Cares,? cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

Other research has reached similar conclusions. The ?generosity index? from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.

The upshot is that Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans ? the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.

?When I started doing research on charity,? Mr. Brooks wrote, ?I expected to find that political liberals ? who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did ? would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views.?

Something similar is true internationally. European countries seem to show more compassion than America in providing safety nets for the poor, and they give far more humanitarian foreign aid per capita than the United States does. But as individuals, Europeans are far less charitable than Americans.

Americans give sums to charity equivalent to 1.67 percent of G.N.P., according to a terrific new book, ?Philanthrocapitalism,? by Matthew Bishop and Michael Green. The British are second, with 0.73 percent, while the stingiest people on the list are the French, at 0.14 percent.

(Looking away from politics, there?s evidence that one of the most generous groups in America is gays. Researchers believe that is because they are less likely to have rapacious heirs pushing to keep wealth in the family.)

When liberals see the data on giving, they tend to protest that conservatives look good only because they shower dollars on churches ? that a fair amount of that money isn?t helping the poor, but simply constructing lavish spires.

It?s true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more, and religious liberals are as generous as religious conservatives. Among the stingiest of the stingy are secular conservatives.

According to Google?s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

In any case, if conservative donations often end up building extravagant churches, liberal donations frequently sustain art museums, symphonies, schools and universities that cater to the well-off. (It?s great to support the arts and education, but they?re not the same as charity for the needy. And some research suggests that donations to education actually increase inequality because they go mostly to elite institutions attended by the wealthy.)

Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent.

So, you?ve guessed it! This column is a transparent attempt this holiday season to shame liberals into being more charitable. Since I often scold Republicans for being callous in their policies toward the needy, it seems only fair to reproach Democrats for being cheap in their private donations. What I want for Christmas is a healthy competition between left and right to see who actually does more for the neediest.

Of course, given the economic pinch these days, charity isn?t on the top of anyone?s agenda. Yet the financial ability to contribute to charity, and the willingness to do so, are strikingly unrelated. Amazingly, the working poor, who have the least resources, somehow manage to be more generous as a percentage of income than the middle class.

So, even in tough times, there are ways to help. Come on liberals, redeem yourselves, and put your wallets where your hearts are.

no suprise , this hs been well documented many times.
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I Googled, looking for a study showing how much churches, on average, spend on charity and other things.

How Churches Spend Money
John C. LaRue, Jr.

After completing the long process of preparing an annual church budget, you may wonder how your congregation compares to others. Here's one way. YOUR CHURCH has just completed a major study on church budgets, including such topics as indebtedness, insurance, property values, and pastor salaries. This report, based on that study, is the first of a series on churches and money.

According to the study, staff compensation accounts for more than 40 percent of an average church's budget. Large churches with annual budgets of more than $500,000 appropriate an average of 40 percent of their budget to staff pay. This is slightly less than the typical 46 percent that's allocated by smaller churches with annual budgets of less than $500,000.

Building Costs

Keeping a church facility going grabs the second largest piece of the budget pie; about $2 of every $10. Churches, large and small, dedicate about the same percentage of their budgets to paying off, maintaining, and protecting their property.

Link

It appears running a church exhausts about 60% of an average church's budget, leaving only 40% for charity, but who knows how much of that is actually spent on charitable efforts? Certainly lends credence to the argument that meeting in a grassy field instead of an ostentatious edifice would go a long way towards sending more of the church's money to places where it does the most good.

Another study by the same site, looked at nearly 1,200 churches and how they spend their money. This gets really interesting.

Our Study

Those figures are high compared to what we learned from the study YOUR CHURCH recently completed on churches and their budgets. A total of 1,184 surveys were mailed, with a response rate of 23 percent. A more detailed analysis of those findings will be presented in a series of Special Reports, beginning in this issue ("How Churches Spend Money"). But, briefly, the study shows that the average-size budget of the churches surveyed is $292,790. Here's how the pie is divided:

43 percent for staff compensation
20 percent for facilities (rent, mortgage, utilities, upkeep)
16 percent for missions
9 percent for church programs
6 percent for administration and supplies
3 percent for denominational fees
3 percent other.

Link

I'd say that 16% for "missions" is where the church is spending money that benefits those who need it most. You might argue that the 9% for church programs might help people too, depending on what programs they're referring to.

But at best, you have 16%-25% of an average church's budget going towards helping people. And you have to wonder how many of their "missions" are truthfully just evangelical missions to proselytize and not truly charitable missions where they're helping the less fortunate.

Kinda pathetic if you ask me. It appears something on the order of 75%+ of a church's budget goes to simply maintaining the church itself. Frankly, that money isn't helping anyone, except the people who mistakenly worship the building itself and not their god.

Those numbers sound about right. About 60% of the donations go towards maintaining the church the rest off to charity in some shape or form.

of course it would also be a false assumption to assume that church members give only to thier church.
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Why even bother posting such inflammatory drivel? If you really believe liberals are evil, then you basically hate 50% of this country.

Instead of posting this crap, why not try to find some things that you have in common with liberals and agree to disagree on other things? That way, we, as a country, might move to a more productive dialogue versus the current "you suck," "nuhh uhhh you suck more" shit that goes on.

Do you really think that he's interested in that, at all? I mean this seriously, do you actually think that he posts here because he wants to participate in a constructive exchange of ideas?

Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy. :)

Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.

FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.

Ah, so you are a paranoid delusional nut with anger issues. Guess I don't entirely blame the people who say you should not be armed.
 

LumbergTech

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as someone else said, its basically tradition for this to be posted at this time of year..and its been proven wrong..apparently the OP hasn't seen that before...although after seeing his last post i must say the guy has shown what a maniac he is

persecution complex at its finest
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Why even bother posting such inflammatory drivel? If you really believe liberals are evil, then you basically hate 50% of this country.

Instead of posting this crap, why not try to find some things that you have in common with liberals and agree to disagree on other things? That way, we, as a country, might move to a more productive dialogue versus the current "you suck," "nuhh uhhh you suck more" shit that goes on.

Do you really think that he's interested in that, at all? I mean this seriously, do you actually think that he posts here because he wants to participate in a constructive exchange of ideas?

Nope. I DO hate 50% of the country. I fucking despise them. When bad shit happens to them it make sme happy. :)

Why you ask? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic. These people want to tell me the word God is bad, they want to take my money tog ive it to worthless slackass deadbeats and they want to tell me how much safer the world is without guns. They want to tell me the .gov is the best thing in the world and I should let the .gov tell me how to live my life.

FUCK ALL THAT. The people who want to take away my rights, take away my money and make me a slave to the government are NOT my friends.
I wonder how nutjobs like you vented before there was the Internet?
Clock towers and rifles would be my guess...
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: winnar111
It's very easy to be generous with other people's money. I remember the comparison between Bush's and Gore's charitable donations.

so whats wrong withg helping others if you have nothing of your own to give yet you care about people who are worse off than you are?

I see nothing wrong with using coupons or for that matter buy one get one free items at the super matket and handing them out to those who might not even be ablke to afford one item.

Is that all you do on these boards winnar111 is criticise others who want to help in spite of their own situation??


hmmmm.........
Next thing we know you will be spouting off about how much you give to organizations like the KKK`s soup kitchen.....lol


 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: daniel49

of course it would also be a false assumption to assume that church members give only to thier church.
Usu8ally that's the best venue to make sure that they donations reach those it's intended to do. My Mother's church does a lot of great work for those in need. If they weren't so God Damned Preachy I'd probably participate but every time it's JESUS!!! this or Jesus!!!! that. Fuck, who needs that kind of agravation?
 

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Didn't Obama have the highest percentage of private donations less than $100 in history? And he had a HUGE warchest

I'm not sure if your "bleeding heart tightwads" analysis is entirely correct, and the article's findings are suspect as well. I'm questioning the conclusions, not the methods.

You have this part

According to Google?s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

But then he just ignores that bit and goes on to say that liberals are tightwads because they don't give more to churches? That doesn't make any sense.