Bleeding Heart Tightwads

Specop 007

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I guess its easy to be generous with others money. Bit more difficult when your the one asked to put a penny in the till for someone else.

No suprises here. Damn liberal tighasses wanting to give away other peoples money.

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Bleeding Heart Tightwads
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

This holiday season is a time to examine who?s been naughty and who?s been nice, but I?m unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.

Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, ?Who Really Cares,? cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

Other research has reached similar conclusions. The ?generosity index? from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.

The upshot is that Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans ? the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.

?When I started doing research on charity,? Mr. Brooks wrote, ?I expected to find that political liberals ? who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did ? would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views.?

Something similar is true internationally. European countries seem to show more compassion than America in providing safety nets for the poor, and they give far more humanitarian foreign aid per capita than the United States does. But as individuals, Europeans are far less charitable than Americans.

Americans give sums to charity equivalent to 1.67 percent of G.N.P., according to a terrific new book, ?Philanthrocapitalism,? by Matthew Bishop and Michael Green. The British are second, with 0.73 percent, while the stingiest people on the list are the French, at 0.14 percent.

(Looking away from politics, there?s evidence that one of the most generous groups in America is gays. Researchers believe that is because they are less likely to have rapacious heirs pushing to keep wealth in the family.)

When liberals see the data on giving, they tend to protest that conservatives look good only because they shower dollars on churches ? that a fair amount of that money isn?t helping the poor, but simply constructing lavish spires.

It?s true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more, and religious liberals are as generous as religious conservatives. Among the stingiest of the stingy are secular conservatives.

According to Google?s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

In any case, if conservative donations often end up building extravagant churches, liberal donations frequently sustain art museums, symphonies, schools and universities that cater to the well-off. (It?s great to support the arts and education, but they?re not the same as charity for the needy. And some research suggests that donations to education actually increase inequality because they go mostly to elite institutions attended by the wealthy.)

Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent.

So, you?ve guessed it! This column is a transparent attempt this holiday season to shame liberals into being more charitable. Since I often scold Republicans for being callous in their policies toward the needy, it seems only fair to reproach Democrats for being cheap in their private donations. What I want for Christmas is a healthy competition between left and right to see who actually does more for the neediest.

Of course, given the economic pinch these days, charity isn?t on the top of anyone?s agenda. Yet the financial ability to contribute to charity, and the willingness to do so, are strikingly unrelated. Amazingly, the working poor, who have the least resources, somehow manage to be more generous as a percentage of income than the middle class.

So, even in tough times, there are ways to help. Come on liberals, redeem yourselves, and put your wallets where your hearts are.
 

Vette73

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Wow a OpEd with stats from a "study" that has been proven flawed many times over.

nice post, troll. :roll:



"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"

and

"Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information" since it would sell more books.


Thats just the tip of the misinformation that has been passed around as truth from these "studys"

This has been posted over and over.
I guess this OpEd writer is just getting this or trying to rewash it for all the idiots out there like the OP that believe anything a right wing nut job/Faux news tells them.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Wow a OpEd with stats from a "study" that has been proven flawed many times over.

nice post, troll. :roll:



"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"

and

"Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information" since it would sell more books.


Thats just the tip of the misinformation that has been passed around as truth from these "studys"

This has been posted over and over.
I guess this OpEd writer is just getting this or trying to rewash it for all the idiots out there like the OP that believe anything a right wing nut job/Faux news tells them.

Ok, so how is the study flawed. Seems theres a lot of information supporting it. As for religious donations.....Do you really think all the extra money is just spent on big houses and fast cars for the preachers?? I assure you churchs do more for the poor and needy then the museums and symphonies liberals may donate to.......

Your doing a good job of trying to cover up liberals tightass nature arent you. Troll. Have to throw that out there too.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Wow a OpEd with stats from a "study" that has been proven flawed many times over.

nice post, troll. :roll:



"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"

and

"Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information" since it would sell more books.


Thats just the tip of the misinformation that has been passed around as truth from these "studys"

This has been posted over and over.
I guess this OpEd writer is just getting this or trying to rewash it for all the idiots out there like the OP that believe anything a right wing nut job/Faux news tells them.

Ok, so how is the study flawed. Seems theres a lot of information supporting it. As for religious donations.....Do you really think all the extra money is just spent on big houses and fast cars for the preachers?? I assure you churchs do more for the poor and needy then the museums and symphonies liberals may donate to.......

Your doing a good job of trying to cover up liberals tightass nature arent you. Troll. Have to throw that out there too.


Did you even read what i wrote...


"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"

and

"Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information" since it would sell more books.

He admits he left data out and skewed other data to sell books. Mind you idiots like yourself and the "news" jumped on the headline "liberals don?t give..." while he laughed his way to the bank on the stupidity of the likes of you and other idiots.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Specop 007 :music:Trollin ,trollin, trollin, keep those flame a flowin, SpecOp :music:
Other than to create shit what's the purpose of this thread, to say because you're Conservative that you are a better person than those who aren't?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Wow a OpEd with stats from a "study" that has been proven flawed many times over.

nice post, troll. :roll:



"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"

and

"Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information" since it would sell more books.


Thats just the tip of the misinformation that has been passed around as truth from these "studys"

This has been posted over and over.
I guess this OpEd writer is just getting this or trying to rewash it for all the idiots out there like the OP that believe anything a right wing nut job/Faux news tells them.

Ok, so how is the study flawed. Seems theres a lot of information supporting it. As for religious donations.....Do you really think all the extra money is just spent on big houses and fast cars for the preachers?? I assure you churchs do more for the poor and needy then the museums and symphonies liberals may donate to.......

Your doing a good job of trying to cover up liberals tightass nature arent you. Troll. Have to throw that out there too.


Did you even read what i wrote...


"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"

and

"Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information" since it would sell more books.

He admits he left data out and skewed other data to sell books. Mind you idiots like yourself and the "news" jumped on the headline "liberals don?t give..." while he laughed his way to the bank on the stupidity of the likes of you and other idiots.

He isnt the only person to write about this. Are you suggesting we disregard religious charity? If so, why? Is it not giving?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I only scanned the first post but it didn't seem to be trolling to me...


If it was meant for a civil discussion maybe not but the OP's comment made sure that won't happen. However it's no different than threads started by Liberals just to slam Conservatives.

BTW I think over the last 4 years about this time this same subject is brought up so it's almost a Christmas tradition here in P&N.
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I only scanned the first post but it didn't seem to be trolling to me...


If it was meant for a civil discussion maybe not but the OP's comment made sure that won't happen. However it's no different than threads started by Liberals just to slam Conservatives.

BTW I think over the last 4 years about this time this same subject is brought up so it's almost a Christmas tradition here in P&N.

Stop being so damn cheap and you wouldn't feel so guilty. :)
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I only scanned the first post but it didn't seem to be trolling to me...


If it was meant for a civil discussion maybe not but the OP's comment made sure that won't happen. However it's no different than threads started by Liberals just to slam Conservatives.

BTW I think over the last 4 years about this time this same subject is brought up so it's almost a Christmas tradition here in P&N.

Wait, its NOT a tradition??
Damnit! Ok, delete the thread.

Anyways, the point is thats its pretty damned funny how many on here whine and cry about "helping the poor!" and how we need to "save the children" and it invariably comes back to more social spending. But when one looks at the numbers it seems the people most concerned about helping are doing the least to help!

Ironing, its not just for laundry.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975


Did you even read what i wrote...

As much as you read what I wrote it seems.


"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"

See above. Do churches not help the poor?

and

"Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information" since it would sell more books.

He admits he left data out and skewed other data to sell books. Mind you idiots like yourself and the "news" jumped on the headline "liberals don?t give..." while he laughed his way to the bank on the stupidity of the likes of you and other idiots.

Nooo. You mean, its NOT 100% fact?! No shit.....I would have never guessed. But leaving out certain data doesnt necessarily change the overall fact.
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I only scanned the first post but it didn't seem to be trolling to me...

However it's no different than threads started by Liberals just to slam Conservatives.

Par for the course 'round yah.
 

Fear No Evil

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Here, I'll add some real troll to the thread. You'd think liberals would give more considering how much money they take in by selling senate seats. (Cue rimshot).
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I only scanned the first post but it didn't seem to be trolling to me...


If it was meant for a civil discussion maybe not but the OP's comment made sure that won't happen. However it's no different than threads started by Liberals just to slam Conservatives.

BTW I think over the last 4 years about this time this same subject is brought up so it's almost a Christmas tradition here in P&N.

Stop being so damn cheap and you wouldn't feel so guilty. :)
I don't feel guilty but then I'm not a Bleeding Heart Liberal. I'm as self centered as any of the Republicans on this board.;)
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"charity gap is largely erased when religious giving is not considered"

From the article:

In any case, if conservative donations often end up building extravagant churches, liberal donations frequently sustain art museums, symphonies, schools and universities that cater to the well-off. (It?s great to support the arts and education, but they?re not the same as charity for the needy. And some research suggests that donations to education actually increase inequality because they go mostly to elite institutions attended by the wealthy.)
 

CitizenKain

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Think of all the wonderful bullets that conservatives have donated to Iraqi children. That is the true spirit of giving.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Think of all the wonderful bullets that conservatives have donated to Iraqi children. That is the true spirit of giving.

Yes yes quick bring up Iraq as a Duhversion. It never fails!
But quickly forget democrat voted for the war and continue to this day.
 

fskimospy

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"If conservatives believe in the Iraq war, they should be over there with a gun themselves."

Remember how you guys complained about how dumb that saying is? When you remember why that one was stupid, you'll remember why this one is stupid.
 

BoomerD

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Eliminate the tax deduction for those charitable contributions...

Allowing anyone to deduct their "donation" to a religious organization, then NOT taxing the religious organization for that donation, amounts to a government subsidy of the religious organization.

I have zero problem with people tithing, donating, whatever...just do away with the deduction for it.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Eliminate the tax deduction for those charitable contributions...

Allowing anyone to deduct their "donation" to a religious organization, then NOT taxing the religious organization for that donation, amounts to a government subsidy of the religious organization.

I have zero problem with people tithing, donating, whatever...just do away with the deduction for it.

What about other non-profit orgs?
 

BeauJangles

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Why even bother posting such inflammatory drivel? If you really believe liberals are evil, then you basically hate 50% of this country.

Instead of posting this crap, why not try to find some things that you have in common with liberals and agree to disagree on other things? That way, we, as a country, might move to a more productive dialogue versus the current "you suck," "nuhh uhhh you suck more" shit that goes on.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Why even bother posting such inflammatory drivel? If you really believe liberals are evil, then you basically hate 50% of this country.

Instead of posting this crap, why not try to find some things that you have in common with liberals and agree to disagree on other things? That way, we, as a country, might move to a more productive dialogue versus the current "you suck," "nuhh uhhh you suck more" shit that goes on.

Do you really think that he's interested in that, at all? I mean this seriously, do you actually think that he posts here because he wants to participate in a constructive exchange of ideas?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Why even bother posting such inflammatory drivel? If you really believe liberals are evil, then you basically hate 50% of this country.

Instead of posting this crap, why not try to find some things that you have in common with liberals and agree to disagree on other things? That way, we, as a country, might move to a more productive dialogue versus the current "you suck," "nuhh uhhh you suck more" shit that goes on.

Do you really think that he's interested in that, at all? I mean this seriously, do you actually think that he posts here because he wants to participate in a constructive exchange of ideas?

You mean like the last 8 years of your side's "constructive exchange"? :laugh:

Seriously though -it's quite entertaining to see all the twisted panties over this...