UglyCasanova
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Another thing that is ironic about these threads is the fact that it is agreed that commercial rap is not the "real" rap, but if I say the same thing about rock I am labled as an indie snob.
Ah....I guess this is the new millenium equivalent to "you would'nt understand....it is a black thing" that I always used to hear.
You might be right because rap/hip-hop break down so many genre barriers that it's ridiculous. What other type of music do you know can infuse jazz/rock/classical on top of a dancable beat which includes vocal samples and somebody doing spoken word on the verses while somebody sings on the chorus? You wouldn't begin to understand unless you lived and breathed the whole thing.
This is very true, experience has taught me that idiocy is a universal trait and does not discriminate.
Put it this way. All kinds of people of every race like eminem because of his music and regardless of his race. Meanwhile, you respond to skin color.
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Actually if I was ignorant then I would listen to rap, you do not seem to have a firm grasp on the true reality of things.Originally posted by: PoPPeR
you = ignorantOriginally posted by: Ronstang
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA......using rap and substance in the same sentence is quite a stretch at best, definitely misguided, and one of the funniest things I have heard in a long time.Originally posted by: UglyCassanova Wha? Most blacks like real rap, not this poppy bling-bling crap. They like the stuff with substance, the rap with a message. Suburban white kids are the ones buying the MTV rap. Geeze, I thought everybody knew.
Actually, the fact that you are trying to add anything to this thread while admitting you don't even listen to rap makes you ignorant. How would you presume to know anything about rap if you don't listen to it?
Mr.IncrediblyBored
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Walleye, if you want to see how to start a flamewar read Ronstang's posts.
If there are any people in this thread actually willing to debate civily: What is it exactly about rap makes you hate it so much? Is it the beats? The lyrics? I'll tell you what, post some lyrics to a rock, pop, or whatever song and I'll post some lyrics to a rap song. I'll match you one-to-one so that we can compare.
Or we can go about it a different way, list some bands or groups that you think are at the "top of their genre". I'll post some bands or groups that are the bottom of that very same genre. There are crappy artists in every genre of music.
If there are any people in this thread actually willing to debate civily: What is it exactly about rap makes you hate it so much? Is it the beats? The lyrics? I'll tell you what, post some lyrics to a rock, pop, or whatever song and I'll post some lyrics to a rap song. I'll match you one-to-one so that we can compare.
Or we can go about it a different way, list some bands or groups that you think are at the "top of their genre". I'll post some bands or groups that are the bottom of that very same genre. There are crappy artists in every genre of music.
It?s not about race beeyatch.
It?s about place.
A place for music be it country or rock,
Instrumental, solo, big band or Bach.
If?n there?s a gripe about wuz being played,
Cast your vote with the dial dirty, scan the FM range.
Eminem gives props to the forefathers of rap
Mostly pimps with mic?s and two dollar hats.
But they had something worth pushing
Cuz you peeps are griping
while Sean John, Vokal, Fubu and Shady
clock faux couture and cash checks like crazy.
If there?s a shame in it all it?s the cookie machine
Cutting this bling and that bling as if someone?s been made.
It?s not all good, no arguing that
Same goes for country, folk, symphonic and Rock.
Each to their own, there?s no gun to your head.
Shut yo Pie hole, change the dial beeyatch.
Your hand has been played.
It?s about place.
A place for music be it country or rock,
Instrumental, solo, big band or Bach.
If?n there?s a gripe about wuz being played,
Cast your vote with the dial dirty, scan the FM range.
Eminem gives props to the forefathers of rap
Mostly pimps with mic?s and two dollar hats.
But they had something worth pushing
Cuz you peeps are griping
while Sean John, Vokal, Fubu and Shady
clock faux couture and cash checks like crazy.
If there?s a shame in it all it?s the cookie machine
Cutting this bling and that bling as if someone?s been made.
It?s not all good, no arguing that
Same goes for country, folk, symphonic and Rock.
Each to their own, there?s no gun to your head.
Shut yo Pie hole, change the dial beeyatch.
Your hand has been played.
I normally listen to rock music (Led Zeppelin, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, etc.), and I used to think like some people here in that all rap=crap. This changed though when my cousin introduced me to Bone Thugs n Harmony. Listen to their stuff like "If I Could Teach The World" and you'll see that rap can have substance. Yes some rap does suck but so does a lot of other music (crap like Limp Bizkit, Good Charlotte, etc.).
i remember when i first heard the slim shady LP. back then eminem was a revolutionary. but alas he's sold himself out since making money feels better than being real.
Mr.IncrediblyBored
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anxi80
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lol, i saw this thread last night, read a couple posts, saw it was the usual 'Rap=cRap' arguments and just said forget it. i come back today, and see not much has changed. people can easily say that, but they have no reason or logic to back it up. the best ive heard is 'all this bling-bling'-crap. great, you just generalized about 10-15% of the whole hip hop genre who talk about that. you are force fed this MTV style hip hop, and because thats what your exposed to (kids in civics bumping the new g-unit album), you automatically assume if thats what everyone is playing, that all hip hop is of the bling-bling subject matter.
ive debated this topic numerous of times on these boards, and i understand the intolerance and ignorance towards the whole hip hop culture. i always believe 'to each his/her own'. i myself, enjoy the genre. just like i also enjoy rock, metal, jazz, the list goes on and on. i cant stand country, but that doesnt mean im going to go in a country thread and post crap in it, because i myself do not have great knowledge of the country music genre, and i dont have a valid argument or point to prove that country is terrible to my ears. so, thats my 2 cents. i dont expect anyone to change or outlook the genre differently because of what i said, but if you are going to knock it, familiarize yourself with the whole culture of it and look beyond whats being shoved down your throat, and then pass judgment.
ive debated this topic numerous of times on these boards, and i understand the intolerance and ignorance towards the whole hip hop culture. i always believe 'to each his/her own'. i myself, enjoy the genre. just like i also enjoy rock, metal, jazz, the list goes on and on. i cant stand country, but that doesnt mean im going to go in a country thread and post crap in it, because i myself do not have great knowledge of the country music genre, and i dont have a valid argument or point to prove that country is terrible to my ears. so, thats my 2 cents. i dont expect anyone to change or outlook the genre differently because of what i said, but if you are going to knock it, familiarize yourself with the whole culture of it and look beyond whats being shoved down your throat, and then pass judgment.
btw, keep in mind that maynard james keenan, the lead singer of tool and a perfect circle did a song with rage against the machine, a rock/hip-hop group. and metallica, yes the whole band, did a song with ja rule. and imo, the song sounded like crap. but these people understand the culture brought forth by these artists, looked beyond their rock/metal barriers and did a collaboration with a hip hop artist. music is music, no matter how you slice it. pure and simple.
Some people are of the opinion that if you sell a lot of records, you sold out. I have no idea why... look at his content. He hasn't even remotely sold out. He plays is cards exactly right. 1-2 commercial friendly songs an album, real content on the rest of the album.
IMO it is difficult to be a fan of rap and not a fan of Em. I'm sure there are a bunch out there... but it's difficult to argue w/ 20 million albums and counting.
IMO it is difficult to be a fan of rap and not a fan of Em. I'm sure there are a bunch out there... but it's difficult to argue w/ 20 million albums and counting.
Originally posted by: PoPPeR
i'm sorry, please show me some real music and lyrics that will give me a firm grasp on the true reality of things.Originally posted by: Ronstang
Actually if I was ignorant then I would listen to rap, you do not seem to have a firm grasp on the true reality of things.Originally posted by: PoPPeRyou = ignorantOriginally posted by: RonstangHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......using rap and substance in the same sentence is quite a stretch at best, definitely misguided, and one of the funniest things I have heard in a long time.Originally posted by: UglyCassanova Wha? Most blacks like real rap, not this poppy bling-bling crap. They like the stuff with substance, the rap with a message. Suburban white kids are the ones buying the MTV rap. Geeze, I thought everybody knew.
No one has answered that question yet, because its the truth.
Real Hip-hop will prevail, like KRS-1 Calling out Nelly I need more of that
oh btw Benzion is wack with his big a$$ head.
People don't like it because it sounds crappy to them. It has no meaning to them or they can't understand the words at all. It has nothing to do with the message, it is about the presentation. If Eminem had a guitar and cowboy hat, others would hate him. If he had long hair and an Electric guitar, the cowboy hat wearers would hate him.
"Can't we all just get along?"
"Can't we all just get along?"
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