Black Security Guard Detained A Gunman. Police Shot Him Dead

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killster1

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Whoosh.......

You pulled some shit out of your ass without even really reading the article or the thread by your own admission. I don't know what the cops were thinking and neither do you.

Yes, here let me give my point of view. Maybe the cop came in saw the guy was black and decided "fuk it who needs this job anyway" then just murdered him knowing he was innocent. That he would be fired / sued with other police life's in jeopardy from riots and revenge seekers. . I'm sure that's what he thought. he knew what he was doing he's just been waiting for this point in time where he could murder and see if he could get away with it for laughs right?

what do you people think happened then if not this and are accusing police of complete negligence. Yes police shoot to fast, I have had the police draw down on me more than once being told face down on the concrete (after committing zero crimes and also not black) , do I hate police? YES! do I also like the police since with out them it would be totally fuct. YES
 

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The facts are not complete enough to form a definitive opinion here. However, I will say that the key issue is whether the cop told the victim to disarm before firing on him. My educated guess is that this did not happen, because the articles are quoting patrons saying they were warning the cop that he was security. If the officer first gave a verbal warning to disarm, the press would know about it already as they've already interviewed eye witnesses.
 

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Yes, here let me give my point of view. Maybe the cop came in saw the guy was black and decided "fuk it who needs this job anyway" then just murdered him knowing he was innocent. That he would be fired / sued with other police life's in jeopardy from riots and revenge seekers. . I'm sure that's what he thought. he knew what he was doing he's just been waiting for this point in time where he could murder and see if he could get away with it for laughs right?

what do you people think happened then if not this and are accusing police of complete negligence. Yes police shoot to fast, I have had the police draw down on me more than once being told face down on the concrete (after committing zero crimes and also not black) , do I hate police? YES! do I also like the police since with out them it would be totally fuct. YES

If your intent is to respond to my posts in this thread you really need to lay off the straw man.
 

Ichinisan

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No look at you.

Defending people that shoot others, another that happens to be black
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/so-good-shoot.2551532/page-17#post-39531991
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...s-you-get-killed.2530149/page-2#post-39210230

Again where is your outrage when innocent people are murdered.by the police?

I see you posting in these shooting threads all the time. Defending cops. Defending shooters.
Never, ever the outrage of innocent people getting shot for no reason.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...un-what-happened.2525955/page-9#post-39163431
"Yes. I am willing to give up safety in favor of preserving freedom."

So a little collateral damage is Ok with you, I see.
Some innocent people getting slaughtered and/or mowed down by police and others
is perfectly fine as long as you get to keep your precious 2a.
Disgusting.
Maybe I should look for every opportunity to demonize cops and vilify others for not expressing indignant outrage before all facts are known -- and certainly disregard any effort to understand what happened. Is that a good idea?

Let's start a lynch mob...together. One that you'll be proud of.
 
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killster1

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If your intent is to respond to my posts in this thread you really need to lay off the straw man.


nah that's what the cops are thinking. was it accident or on purpose, u truly think it was on purpose?
 
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killster1

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Maybe I should look for every opportunity to demonize cops and vilify others for not expressing indignant outrage before all facts are known -- and certainly disregard any effort to understand what happened. Is that a good idea?

Let's start a lunch mob...together.

whats a lunch mob!@!! I think ill join, them cops are pure evil down to the bone!!!!!!!!!
 

Ichinisan

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Whoosh.......

You pulled some shit out of your ass without even really reading the article or the thread by your own admission. I don't know what the cops were thinking and neither do you.
"Whoosh!" yourself.

Everyone seems to think they know what happened without any discussion at all. Anyway, I didn't post in the thread a second time or read any responses after my first post until I read the article. Even Googled "Roberson shooting" and read a few more. I still had the same questions.
 

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Maybe I should look for every opportunity to demonize cops and vilify others for not expressing indignant outrage before all facts are known -- and certainly disregard any effort to understand what happened. Is that a good idea?

Let's start a lynch mob...together. One that you'll be proud of.
Ha ha ha ha.
You're a riot, here you were, the one putting out your scenario to the shooting by the cops, while admitting
you hadn't even read the article. Damn, armchair-cop loving- 2a freedom fighter.
GTFO.

Yeah, again, where's your outrage of cops murdering innocent people. I have yet to see it in any of these shooting threads you've participated in.
 

Ichinisan

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whats a lunch mob!@!! I think ill join, them cops are pure evil down to the bone!!!!!!!!!
I caught that iOS "autocorrect" the moment I hit "post," but the page hitched and wouldn't allow me to edit until after a couple reload attempts.
 

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"Whoosh!" yourself.

Everyone seems to think they know what happened without any discussion at all. Anyway, I didn't post in the thread a second time or read any responses after my first post until I read the article. Even Googled "Roberson shooting" and read a few more. I still had the same questions.
I didn't know that its standard operating protocol that if a police officer walks into a potential hostage situation he should start blazing away without asking questions.
 
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Let's start a lynch mob...together. One that you'll be proud of.

The only one who died here was an innocent black man just doing his job . . . the very epitome of "a good guy with a gun." Throughout a long string of posts here, your lack of any stated compassion for him comes through loud and clear . . . to most everyone but you. :(
 
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Things smart people already knew:

1. Don't hold a gun in a person's back
2. Don't wait for the police
3. Don't be black
4. Don't live in a bad neighborhood
5. Bad things happen at 4am

I want to fault the police but seriously:

1. How dark was the club?
2. Was the guy wearing a uniform?
3. Was it a hostage situation?
4. Shots already fired?
 

Zorba

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nah that's what the cops are thinking. was it accident or on purpose, u truly think it was on purpose?
I highly doubt this guy decided to purposefully kill an innocent person. However, it does appear that he decided that any potential threat of harm to himself was more important than potentially harm to an innocent person. The shoot first ask questions later mentality is a huge issue.
 

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I didn't know that its standard operating protocol that if a police officer walks into a potential hostage situation he should start blazing away without asking questions.

The gun in a person's hand precludes questions and creates a "do or die" split second decision among all involved.
 

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The gun in a person's hand precludes questions and creates a "do or die" split second decision among all involved.

Sure if the bullet can travel down into the bad guy, switch directions mid flight, and accurately hit the cop. Sure, if all the people present were all in on a conspiracy to tell the cop that the bad guy was actually a security guard. Sure if the security guard was dressed like this:

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Maybe your argument is that the cop is a window-licking retard. We can agree on that.
 

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...They shot an innocent man. These cops are fucking morons for their shoot first and ask questions later mentality.They need to be kicked off the force and tried for murder for taking this man's life...

No way. Involuntary manslaughter would be more appropriate.

But you obviously haven't considered anything else could be true, have you? Something like this was a bar and most cops tend to know bars, their proclivity for "trouble", and whether the staff/bouncer/security guard is armed. I'd be very surprised to find out the local PD wasn't aware of this bar using armed security.....dumbfounded, in fact.

Armed with what should be generic knowledge about the bar for the local PD, faced with a room of people that started yelling "SECURITY!" upon seeing the cop enter the bar and see the security guard with knee in man's back using gun to secure him, chose to immediately deem him the threat instead of the good guy who worked there, shot him repeatedly.

Shit happens so fast, you don't know what the cop was thinking. All they saw was a guy pointing a gun to a guy. Do we know if he was ordered to drop his weapon? If not, that was definitely the wrong action to shoot.

...A black man died doing his job at the hands of the police.

Do you really think it was race related? After all, aren't mass shooters typically white? I think it was just a bad judgement made in an instant.

Republicans/NRA go to great lengths to make sure that data isn't collected.

Right, so that's why gun grabbers like to say that data proves that owning a firearm makes you more likely do die because of it. Never mind that is mostly because of suicides. The rest of it is irresponsible gun owners where kids or others are able to access them when they shouldn't be able to. Should we ban irresponsible parents who don't teach their kids how to drive or to not drink and drive and cause accidents?


It is terrible that this happened. But maybe the answer is more training for these types of situations. Also, what if this security guard wasn't there with a gun? The criminal may have not been subdued so quickly and others could have died. It is absolutely horrible he had to pay the price though, and there should be consequences.
 
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No way. Involuntary manslaughter would be more appropriate.



Shit happens so fast, you don't know what the cop was thinking. All they saw was a guy pointing a gun to a guy. Do we know if he was ordered to drop his weapon? If not, that was definitely the wrong action to shoot.



Do you really think it was race related? After all, aren't mass shooters typically white? I think it was just a bad judgement made in an instant.



Right, so that's why gun grabbers like to say that data proves that owning a firearm makes you more likely do die because of it. Never mind that is mostly because of suicides. The rest of it is irresponsible gun owners where kids or others are able to access them when they shouldn't be able to. Should we ban irresponsible parents who don't teach their kids how to drive or to not drink and drive and cause accidents?


It is terrible that this happened. But maybe the answer is more training for these types of situations. Also, what if this security guard wasn't there with a gun? The criminal may have not been subdued so quickly and others could have died. It is absolutely horrible he had to pay the price though, and there should be consequences.
But I thought all it took was a good guy with a gun??

To answer your question live fire tests and reaction time results...
https://www.npr.org/2015/08/29/4358...pull-trigger-when-target-is-black-study-finds
 

killster1

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Things smart people already knew:

1. Don't hold a gun in a person's back
2. Don't wait for the police
3. Don't be black
4. Don't live in a bad neighborhood
5. Bad things happen at 4am

I want to fault the police but seriously:

1. How dark was the club?
2. Was the guy wearing a uniform?
3. Was it a hostage situation?
4. Shots already fired?

I already have come across this issue, what do you do if you pull a gun on a bad guy but dont have to shoot. Do you hold them at gunpoint until police arrive (could be 30 mins / 1 hour who knows if they even show up). Do you attempt to tie them up with rope? knock them out?

what if the badguy is actually a pregnant lady? does knocking them unconscious seem a bit much?

So i purchased 3 sets of handcuff's that could not be easily slipped or defeated. 100$ for the 3 sets, but seemed like a good price compared to murdering pregnant ladies. (ya i might be a little paranoid)
 

killster1

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I didn't know that its standard operating protocol that if a police officer walks into a potential hostage situation he should start blazing away without asking questions.

And what questions might that be? "Whos the bad guy? point him out everyone!!" Are you asking questions for kicks or have you already filled the room with truth serum?

I think if i was laying down, had a sandbag under my rifle scoped in on a target with nothing else to worry about im 99% i can shoot someone before they turn the gun to me. But will i be sure they dont shoot me too? If its a big enough rifle i guess.

But a police officer holding small handgun across a room, its a do or die moment. guy with a gun to another person, what will you ask them? drop it or you will drop them? Sure sounds good in the movies.
 

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But a police officer holding small handgun across a room, its a do or die moment. guy with a gun to another person, what will you ask them? drop it or you will drop them? Sure sounds good in the movies.

It sounds good in real life as well and would have worked fine here.

I'm pretty sure that when entering a potentially hostile area the first thing an officer is supposed to do is assess the situation and position themselves in in methods where they are safe first and foremost. Generally officer safety is number 1 and then safety of the hostages is number 2. I find it hard to believe that going in and blasting away without any commands makes either the officer or the hostage safer. For all he knows there were other shooters in the room or even worse the person he shot may have been a cop that just happened to get there first. It really is not excusable saying he thought it was a hostage situation so he fired. You don't randomly fire in hostage situations anyway. In a hostage situation, the threat is generally not towards responding officers.

You can go online and read hostage management guidelines which are published by a bunch of police departments. The first step is always assess and usually steps 2-3 are some sort of communication attempt. It's not walk in and master blast away.
 
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It sounds good in real life as well and would have worked fine here.

I'm pretty sure that when entering a potentially hostile area the first thing an officer is supposed to do is assess the situation and position themselves in in methods where they are safe first and foremost. Generally officer safety is number 1 and then safety of the hostages is number 2. I find it hard to believe that going in and blasting away without any commands makes either the officer or the hostage safer. For all he knows there were other shooters in the room or even worse the person he shot may have been a cop that just happened to get there first. It really is not excusable saying he thought it was a hostage situation so he fired. You don't randomly fire in hostage situations anyway. In a hostage situation, the threat is generally not towards responding officers.

You can go online and read hostage management guidelines which are published by a bunch of police departments. The first step is always assess and usually steps 2-3 are some sort of communication attempt. It's not walk in and master blast away.
"without any commands" is a big assumption.
 

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Police walk into that scene they are probably going to shoot. It would look like a hostage situation. Seriously though if you are NOT a police officer don't try and act like one.

So now people shouldnt have guns?