Black Security Guard Detained A Gunman. Police Shot Him Dead

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Ottonomous

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I literally skimmed the OP and the most recent reply, which I stated.



I did not assert my authority or claim to "know" anything. I speculated about an obviously-plausible scenario that can lead to such a horrible outcome.

Someone had already said:



A possible scenario that could have led to this should be immediately obvious. Based on the limited information I quickly scanned through, it is quite plausible that this situation was incorrectly assessed as one that required immediate action to save the life of another. To say otherwise (based only on the info presented within the OP) is disingenuous.





Only Nostradamus can make a guess or develop an impression based on the premise presented in the OP? Why do we have forums and discussion threads?


Yeah. Speculating about the circumstances that may have led to their fuck-up is "defending the cops." Let's all practice cognitive dissonance and completely ignore a plausible explanation!



Maybe they thought they were saving a life in a critical situation that required split-second decisions. Maybe.

I don't envy anyone in that hypothetical (but possibly actual) position.

Expect replies from people pretending that "plausible" implies "most likely."
Agreed, next time the security guard should just avoid his heroic antics and save himself from the uncontrollable lethal force that is the police
 

brycejones

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I have only skimmed this thread, but I'm guessing they got a report of an armed gunman (maybe even "shots fired"). They come across what looks like a hostage situation. If the person doesn't comply with an order to drop the weapon immediately, they feel pressure to take him out at the first opportunity that appears safe for the "hostage."

There was only the OP followed by three short reply’s before yours :D


And you’re probably right

Admittedly knows nothing really proceeds to comment from ignorance. Just another day that ends in y for P&N Conservatives.
 
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dank69

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Okay everyone let's all just settle down. People are jumping down other people's throats over misunderstandings and exaggerations.

Everyone look to your right and give that man a nice rub and a tug and always remember, all lives matter. Some lives just matter more than others.
 

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I have only skimmed this thread, but I'm guessing they got a report of an armed gunman (maybe even "shots fired"). They come across what looks like a hostage situation. If the person doesn't comply with an order to drop the weapon immediately, they feel pressure to take him out at the first opportunity that appears safe for the "hostage."

That will be the excuse but if due diligence were the standard then a quick trigger is a poor defense.
 
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Ichinisan

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So can we at least stop with the good guy with a gun bullshit, then? I'm sure these cops have picked up multiple people held by club security in their careers, not like it is an unusual situation.
Do we know if he was wearing an obvious uniform?

I didn't know that was a requirement to bea good guy with a gun? Is the uniform white skin?
I agree with you that it was probably routine for police to interact with bar security. Just wondering if something was different from the norm this time that contributed to the colossal fuck-up.
 

Jaskalas

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There are no reported details of exactly how the police encountered the security guard.

And that is how EVERYTHING should be determined. Anytime a gun is involved, particularly when brandished... the chance of police shooting first and asking weapons later is... extreme. As in... it's going to happen, guaranteed. Any other result is a fluke and you know it. How police entered that room, and what they saw determines right from wrong.

Did the security guard have time to react, and what was his reaction? Hell, when police storm into a building I doubt the good person with the gun has any time at all to react in a way that can save them from holding a weapon. There are countless cases where flinching or having normal human reactions gets people killed.

It's because of the guns. Because of how guns force us to react and fear for our lives. We throw police into those situations, standard policy forces those deadly confrontations where things DO go horribly wrong. Because we're making split second decisions to pull a trigger that ends someone's life. Under threat of them doing the same to you. It is an impossible, extreme stress, scenario. We are only human. We will never get that right at all times, hell, count yourself luck if you get it right half the time.

It's the setup of the scenario that fails us. We need different / stronger policy on guns in this country. We need different / safer police protocols, but that's only possible if we find a way to keep people safer. Both public and officers involved.
 

Meghan54

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I have only skimmed this thread, but I'm guessing they got a report of an armed gunman (maybe even "shots fired"). They come across what looks like a hostage situation. If the person doesn't comply with an order to drop the weapon immediately, they feel pressure to take him out at the first opportunity that appears safe for the "hostage."


But you obviously haven't considered anything else could be true, have you? Something like this was a bar and most cops tend to know bars, their proclivity for "trouble", and whether the staff/bouncer/security guard is armed. I'd be very surprised to find out the local PD wasn't aware of this bar using armed security.....dumbfounded, in fact.

Armed with what should be generic knowledge about the bar for the local PD, faced with a room of people that started yelling "SECURITY!" upon seeing the cop enter the bar and see the security guard with knee in man's back using gun to secure him, chose to immediately deem him the threat instead of the good guy who worked there, shot him repeatedly.
 

Ichinisan

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But you obviously haven't considered anything else could be true, have you? Something like this was a bar and most cops tend to know bars, their proclivity for "trouble", and whether the staff/bouncer/security guard is armed. I'd be very surprised to find out the local PD wasn't aware of this bar using armed security.....dumbfounded, in fact.
Yes. They almost certainly knew or had a general expectation. Don't you think something about the situation caused confusion? Should we try to figure out or acknowledge possible factors that led to the situation going so terribly bad?

Armed with what should be generic knowledge about the bar for the local PD, faced with a room of people that started yelling "SECURITY!" upon seeing the cop enter the bar and see the security guard with knee in man's back using gun to secure him, chose to immediately deem him the threat instead of the good guy who worked there, shot him repeatedly.
Do you think they might have yelled "security" because they saw that shit was already hitting the fan?
 

Zorba

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I agree with you that it was probably routine for police to interact with bar security. Just wondering if something was different from the norm this time that contributed to the colossal fuck-up.
I agree with you saying it was a colossal fuck up. I don't think the cop went in hoping to kill an innocent person. But that doesn't mean the cop doesn't bare the responsibility for the fuck up. Hopefully more details come out, but if it is basically a black guy with a gun issue the cop needs to burn.
 

HomerJS

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What if there were people carrying at the Aurora movie theater. Police show up who do they shoot?

Can we FINALLY put an end to that "good guy with a gun" bullshit?
 
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Ichinisan

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I agree with you saying it was a colossal fuck up. I don't think the cop went in hoping to kill an innocent person. But that doesn't mean the cop doesn't bare the responsibility for the fuck up. Hopefully more details come out, but if it is basically a black guy with a gun issue the cop needs to burn.
Absolutely.
 

Perknose

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Do you think they might have yelled "security" because they saw that shit was already hitting the fan?

You desperately wish to think that, or anything else that minimizes or excuses this tragedy. Most of the rest of us don't have this peculiar desire of yours.

When police arrived at the scene, Roberson was holding “somebody on the ground with his knee in his back, with his gun in his back,” witness Adam Harris told WGN-TV.

“Everybody is screaming out, ‘He’s a security guard,’” Harris said

A black man died doing his job at the hands of the police.
 
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Do we know if he was wearing an obvious uniform?

We do:

Witnesses say Roberson was wearing his uniform, including a hat emblazoned with the word "security," and was holding a firearm he was licensed to carry.

Of course, it was also obvious that he was black.
 
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Jaskalas

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I wish we had, front and center of the 2A, gun stats. How many cases are "good guys" taking down "bad guys" VS the loss of innocent life from gun violence? I don't expect the "it'll save me" positive outweighs the "it'll kill me" negative. Yet to pound the NRA on the risk calculation, the public needs a firm grasp of just how heavily the numbers weigh against the NRA.
 

esquared

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Look at you
No look at you.

Defending people that shoot others, another that happens to be black
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/so-good-shoot.2551532/page-17#post-39531991
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...s-you-get-killed.2530149/page-2#post-39210230

Again where is your outrage when innocent people are murdered.by the police?

I see you posting in these shooting threads all the time. Defending cops. Defending shooters.
Never, ever the outrage of innocent people getting shot for no reason.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...un-what-happened.2525955/page-9#post-39163431
"Yes. I am willing to give up safety in favor of preserving freedom."

So a little collateral damage is Ok with you, I see.
Some innocent people getting slaughtered and/or mowed down by police and others
is perfectly fine as long as you get to keep your precious 2a.
Disgusting.
 
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soundforbjt

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I wish we had, front and center of the 2A, gun stats. How many cases are "good guys" taking down "bad guys" VS the loss of innocent life from gun violence? I don't expect the "it'll save me" positive outweighs the "it'll kill me" negative. Yet to pound the NRA on the risk calculation, the public needs a firm grasp of just how heavily the numbers weigh against the NRA.
Republicans/NRA go to great lengths to make sure that data isn't collected.