DivideBYZero
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Just to add some more wood to the fire.....
By JAMES JANEGA
Chicago Tribune
Dec. 3, 2008, 10:07PM
CHICAGO ? The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's election.
The meeting of justices will coincide with a vigil by the filer's supporters in Washington on the steps of the nation's highest court.
The suit originally sought to stay the election, and was filed on behalf of Leo Donofrio against New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells.
Legal experts say the appeal has little chance of succeeding, despite appearing on the court's schedule. Legal records show it is only the tip of an iceberg of nationwide efforts seeking to derail Obama's election over accusations that he either wasn't born a U.S. citizen or that he later renounced his citizenship in Indonesia.
The Obama campaign has maintained that he was born in Hawaii, has an authentic birth certificate, and is a "natural-born" U.S. citizen. Hawaiian officials agree.
Among those filing lawsuits is Alan Keyes, who lost to Obama in the 2004 Illinois Senate race. Keyes' suit seeks to halt certification of votes in California. Another suit by a Kentucky man seeks to have a federal judge review Obama's original birth certificate, which Hawaiian officials say is locked in a state vault.
Other suits have been filed by Andy Martin, whose case was dismissed in Hawaii, and by an Ohio man whose case also was dismissed. Five more suits, all later dismissed, were filed in Hawaii by a person who is currently suing the "Peoples Association of Human, Animals Conceived God/s and Religions, John McCain (and) USA Govt." The plaintiff previously sought to sue Wikipedia and "All News Media."
The most famous case questioning Obama's citizenship was filed in Pennsylvania in August on behalf of Philip J. Berg and sought to enjoin the Democratic National Committee from nominating Obama. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to accept the case. Earlier, a federal judge rejected it for "lack of standing" ? ruling that Berg had no legal right to sue. In cases like this, judges sometimes believe the matter is best left to political institutions, such as the Electoral College or Congress, said legal scholar Eugene Volokh of the University of California at Los Angeles.
The remaining case with the highest profile is Donofrio vs. Wells. Because it was distributed by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to other justices for conference, it gained undue importance for people unschooled in how the court works, Volokh said.
Many petitioners seeking stays of pending events have their cases distributed to the full court, he said. Of those, Volokh found that 782 were denied in the last eight years while just 60 were heard ? and not all of those ultimately were successful.
By JAMES JANEGA
Chicago Tribune
Dec. 3, 2008, 10:07PM
CHICAGO ? The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's election.
The meeting of justices will coincide with a vigil by the filer's supporters in Washington on the steps of the nation's highest court.
The suit originally sought to stay the election, and was filed on behalf of Leo Donofrio against New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells.
Legal experts say the appeal has little chance of succeeding, despite appearing on the court's schedule. Legal records show it is only the tip of an iceberg of nationwide efforts seeking to derail Obama's election over accusations that he either wasn't born a U.S. citizen or that he later renounced his citizenship in Indonesia.
The Obama campaign has maintained that he was born in Hawaii, has an authentic birth certificate, and is a "natural-born" U.S. citizen. Hawaiian officials agree.
Among those filing lawsuits is Alan Keyes, who lost to Obama in the 2004 Illinois Senate race. Keyes' suit seeks to halt certification of votes in California. Another suit by a Kentucky man seeks to have a federal judge review Obama's original birth certificate, which Hawaiian officials say is locked in a state vault.
Other suits have been filed by Andy Martin, whose case was dismissed in Hawaii, and by an Ohio man whose case also was dismissed. Five more suits, all later dismissed, were filed in Hawaii by a person who is currently suing the "Peoples Association of Human, Animals Conceived God/s and Religions, John McCain (and) USA Govt." The plaintiff previously sought to sue Wikipedia and "All News Media."
The most famous case questioning Obama's citizenship was filed in Pennsylvania in August on behalf of Philip J. Berg and sought to enjoin the Democratic National Committee from nominating Obama. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to accept the case. Earlier, a federal judge rejected it for "lack of standing" ? ruling that Berg had no legal right to sue. In cases like this, judges sometimes believe the matter is best left to political institutions, such as the Electoral College or Congress, said legal scholar Eugene Volokh of the University of California at Los Angeles.
The remaining case with the highest profile is Donofrio vs. Wells. Because it was distributed by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to other justices for conference, it gained undue importance for people unschooled in how the court works, Volokh said.
Many petitioners seeking stays of pending events have their cases distributed to the full court, he said. Of those, Volokh found that 782 were denied in the last eight years while just 60 were heard ? and not all of those ultimately were successful.
umbrella39
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Fern
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I'll take a stab at it.
Hawaii has the *call-in* birth certificate thingy.
If that did happen the newspaper announcement would have been generated from it.
Newspaper announcements don't prove squat; if they did history would say Dewey was elected president over Truman in 1948.
I still don't see why they just don't reveal the real/original BC and be done with this crap.
Fern
Maybe they don't still have a 50 year old birth certificate. I know I don't have mine and that's only 28 years old. You aren't seriously buying into this insane shit are you?
OrByte
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You don't give into conspiracy theories because that will make the next conspiracy theory that much harder to eliminate.
Right now all that remains of this issue is a very fringe conspiracy theory. It would suck to have to legitimize the conspiracy anymore than what has already been done.
People must be retarded if they think they will let a man run for President without vetting his credentials.
FFS, you can't even take a shit in a federal building without filling out 15 forms.
FFS, you can't even take a shit in a federal building without filling out 15 forms.
Steeplerot
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The one given has been verified by the state.
In reality the people crazy enough to buy into such conspiracy theories could care less if they had a time machine and a sack to carry afterbirth after witnessing the event in question.
Just a few desperate wingnuts, that make no difference anyhow.
Personally, I think terrorist mooslim aliumz took the original -along with these conspiracy theororists brains of course.
I think it is kinda funny actually, makign them froth at the mouth and chomp at the bit over some stupid shit like this. Hopefully he is getting a good laugh at all the sour grapes.
He has to do nothing right now, the BC is verified, the newspaper backs him, all he has to do is sit back and let the fringe Reps make complete asses of themselves for him in front of the rest of the sane country lol. Sweet!
Uhh, yeh... that'd make a lot of sense, huh? I'm sure that some fan of the baby Obama faked the Hawaiian birth in 1961 so he'd be able to run for prez in 2008... because that's the only circumstance where it makes the slightest bit of difference. A child born anywhere in the world of at least 1 American parent is automatically a citizen...
And dear Clarence Thomas, the ever faithful lapdog of the Rightwing... stirring the shit barrel with a canoe paddle, just so everybody gets the benefit of the aroma...
Except the only frothing at the mouth and chomping at the bit is coming from people like you and the other rank and file liberals on here who fear to DEATH the possibility that the real birth certificate will be scrutinized by the supreme court. You fear what might come of it's scrutiny, so you lash out at those who seek evidence beyond 1 liberal governor's word and maybe 2 janitor's.
Atomic Playboy
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I feared that the Supreme Court would stop a recount in Florida in the election of 2000 that would conclusively demonstrate that Al Gore received more votes in that state, giving him more electoral votes than Bush, and the presidency of the United States. That fear happened to come true. I don't fear that Obama's birth certificate will be shown to be a fake. I don't honestly believe that the state of Hawaii would fake a birth certificate, nor that an announcement would be issued in a newspaper in the weeks following Obama's birth in Hawaii. I also don't believe that a man who has lived virtually his entire life in America and enjoyed great success in his life here would fake his credentials so that he could trick the majority of the country into voting him in as President of the United States so that he could intentionally undermine the foundation of our country and destroy the US as we know it. You seem to think Barack Obama is a villainous mastermind in the ranks of Lex Luthor. That's a ridiculous fear to have.
Based on this? No, you have assumed poorly. My only argument is that it's not as crazy as the liberals on here make it out to be to ask for Obama's original birth certificate. Their own frothing at the mouth behavior makes me wonder why they're so afraid of it being released.
This issue should take a major twist tomorrow when the courts decide to dismiss it or not.
UberNeuman
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People like you are the reason for the decline of the GOP...
Keep up with the crazy and enjoy the backseat...
Nice hyperbole.
If the SCOTUS were to rule on behalf of the plaintiffs, it would render the whole system of birth certificates illegitimate- anybody's identity could be called into question at any time. We'd need to allow access and scrutiny of every original birth certificate in existence- all birth certificates as we know them would become null and void.
Think about the implications of that for more than a nanosecond, then explain how it would be beneficial...
Might also want to consider just how such a demand fits into the constitution and the whole idea of states' rights- it's always been the states' right and responsibility to maintain such records, and their sole authority to vouch for their veracity- do you really want to change that?
Steeplerot
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Fear? THe only fear I have is getting hiccups from laughing my ass off at you guys!
I know the election is over and all, and I am over rubbing it in your faces, but you people just keep the lulz coming from your childish tantrum throwing over getting owned.
Time for you to get over it, you lost, and not even space alien conspiracy theories or ALex Jones himself will save you from the evil terrorist mooslim black man out to tax you into oblivion. :laugh:
Steeplerot
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Brainonska511
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