Black Presidential candidate, Alan Keyes, demands Obama's full birth certificificate.

[Ozoned]

Wow! Just wow. What are you libs so afraid of?

 

[ModerateRepZero]

Except the only frothing at the mouth and chomping at the bit is coming from people like you and the other rank and file liberals on here who fear to DEATH the possibility that the real birth certificate will be scrutinized by the supreme court. You fear what might come of it's scrutiny, so you lash out at those who seek evidence beyond 1 liberal governor's word and maybe 2 janitor's.

Based on this? No, you have assumed poorly. My only argument is that it's not as crazy as the liberals on here make it out to be to ask for Obama's original birth certificate. Their own frothing at the mouth behavior makes me wonder why they're so afraid of it being released.

This issue should take a major twist tomorrow when the courts decide to dismiss it or not.

People have ALREADY vetted and vouched for Obama's birth certificate: Hawaii state officials who have custody of the documents and are presumably well aware of the citizenship and birth announcement proceedures. Factcheck has also examined the documents.

I don't see the Supreme Court asking, much less demanding, that the original birth certificate be released for them to examine personally. More than likely either they will accept the Hawaii state officials' assurances in the absence of job incompetence or unreliability issues (which appeals courts do all the time in criminal law; they don't review facts just law and proceedure), or have experts that they trust examine the documents and report to the Supreme Court.

In any event I don't see why just because people are unconvinced at the word of Hawaii state officials and a nonpartisan website that Obama should "reveal all". People with authority have verified that Obama's a citizen, and conspiracy theorists or the doubters will not be swayed even if the Supreme Court rules in favor of Obama.

I seem to recall that for the longest time a number of people still thought that Saddam Hussein had some connection to 9/11. Even Bush had to publicly repudiate Cheney's assertions after public officials said there was NO connection.

http://www.factcheck.org/elect...8/born_in_the_usa.html

The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.


Fukino said she has ?personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama?s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."


Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates).

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-dec03,0,3124041.story

If a child is born in the United States?as Hawaiian officials state that Obama was?that child is a U.S. citizen regardless of his or her parents' nationalities. If born to an American parent outside the U.S., the law at the time would require the U.S. citizen parent to be at least 19, which Obama's mother was not. The provisions of this law were subsequently loosened and made retroactive for government employees serving abroad and their families. It appears that this would not apply to Obama's mother. The matter would seem to be academic: Hawaiian officials vouch for Obama's birth certificate.


Schulz supports his argument with a reproduced Indonesian school document that states Obama's citizenship at that time as "Indonesian." But the same document also lists Obama's birthplace as " Honolulu, Hawaii."

Any reasonable person should be satisfied that Obama's certificate is genuine and that he's an American citizen. Any doubters or conspiracy theorists will be unconvinced at this evidence, and will continue to disbelieve even if the Supreme Court rules that the birth certificate is genuine.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Wow! Just wow. What are you libs so afraid of?

Wow! Just wow. Are you accusing the state of Hawaii of a cover-up?

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Wow! Just wow. What are you libs so afraid of?

we know something!!!

::looks over shoulder::

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Except the only frothing at the mouth and chomping at the bit is coming from people like you and the other rank and file liberals on here who fear to DEATH the possibility that the real birth certificate will be scrutinized by the supreme court. You fear what might come of it's scrutiny, so you lash out at those who seek evidence beyond 1 liberal governor's word and maybe 2 janitor's.

Nice hyperbole.

If the SCOTUS were to rule on behalf of the plaintiffs, it would render the whole system of birth certificates illegitimate- anybody's identity could be called into question at any time. We'd need to allow access and scrutiny of every original birth certificate in existence- all birth certificates as we know them would become null and void.

Think about the implications of that for more than a nanosecond, then explain how it would be beneficial...

Might also want to consider just how such a demand fits into the constitution and the whole idea of states' rights- it's always been the states' right and responsibility to maintain such records, and their sole authority to vouch for their veracity- do you really want to change that?

Is that short form certitifcate of live birth from Hawaii an actual birth certificate? If I read correctly, Hawaii has a short form, then a long form that actually has all the relevant data on it. I would imagine the long form would look like the one I just got in California, which is a certified photocopy of my original typewritten birth certificate.
With that, based on this supposed Hawaii law that allows you to register a birth even if you aren't there anymore.. If I lived in Hawaii last year but now am a California resident, and my son is born here, when I register him in Hawaii do they actually do a long form birth certificate? Or is it a token cert of live birth and California maintain the actual long certificate? I have no idea.

As far as the US Supreme Court ruling goes, how would it render the whole system of birth certificates illegitimate? The certificate shown isn't the actual birth certificate. Hawaii says they have that locked away in a vault. If they rule in favor of the plaintiffs, they will just break out the real long form certificate and it's done. Right? No implications to think about. I believe anyone else can get a real certified long form birth certificate from their state.

Personally, I think this whole thing is crazy. Hopefully it will end quickly.

 

[UberNeuman]

You "republicans" don't get it. And I mean the ones that have such a hard-on for this story - (because you're not real republicans) - you are the whack-a-loons that the party has played to over the years....

Here it is.... so that you may get it.

Barack Hussein Obama - your next President.

Get over it.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

Wow! Just wow. What are you libs so afraid of?

I find it amusing that you and Duwelon assume that people who are annoyed at the clamor over Obama's birth certificate are "afraid".

I personally am just weary of all the conspiracy mongering. Hawaii officials and at least one organization has examined the document and verified its authenticy.

Just because some paranoid nutcases don't believe the statements does not mean that it's open season on Obama's birth certificate. It would set a poor precedent if anyone's records could be open for examination to the public and the mercy of the drooling paws of every half-alert nutcase.

Where does it stop? Do we take Obama's original birth certificate and let anyone with doubts examine it? Should every court be forced to entertain frivolous lawsuits whenever someone wins an election because there's "uncertainty" over someone's claim to citizenship?

People are entitled to their doubts over Obama's birth certificate authenticity. But the burden is on the PLAINTIFFS if lawsuits are filed to question the authenticity. Prove it or shut it.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Breaking news; Supreme Court may hear the case.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Fern

I still don't see why they just don't reveal the real/original BC and be done with this crap.

Fern

The one given has been verified by the state.
In reality the people crazy enough to buy into such conspiracy theories could care less if they had a time machine and a sack to carry afterbirth after witnessing the event in question.

Just a few desperate wingnuts, that make no difference anyhow.

Personally, I think terrorist mooslim aliumz took the original -along with these conspiracy theororists brains of course.

I think it is kinda funny actually, makign them froth at the mouth and chomp at the bit over some stupid shit like this. Hopefully he is getting a good laugh at all the sour grapes.

Except the only frothing at the mouth and chomping at the bit is coming from people like you and the other rank and file liberals on here who fear to DEATH the possibility that the real birth certificate will be scrutinized by the supreme court. You fear what might come of it's scrutiny, so you lash out at those who seek evidence beyond 1 liberal governor's word and maybe 2 janitor's.

Obama doesn't have the original. We already know that. The document he produced was generated by the State of Hawaii in 2007.

IF the information on that document was false, then please explain:

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Please explain to me how Obama's birth was registered by a local newspaper in 1961 when the information published was received directly from the State of Hawaii.

Thank you.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Fern

I still don't see why they just don't reveal the real/original BC and be done with this crap.

Fern

The one given has been verified by the state.
In reality the people crazy enough to buy into such conspiracy theories could care less if they had a time machine and a sack to carry afterbirth after witnessing the event in question.

Just a few desperate wingnuts, that make no difference anyhow.

Personally, I think terrorist mooslim aliumz took the original -along with these conspiracy theororists brains of course.

I think it is kinda funny actually, makign them froth at the mouth and chomp at the bit over some stupid shit like this. Hopefully he is getting a good laugh at all the sour grapes.

Except the only frothing at the mouth and chomping at the bit is coming from people like you and the other rank and file liberals on here who fear to DEATH the possibility that the real birth certificate will be scrutinized by the supreme court. You fear what might come of it's scrutiny, so you lash out at those who seek evidence beyond 1 liberal governor's word and maybe 2 janitor's.

Obama doesn't have the original. We already know that. The document he produced was generated by the State of Hawaii in 2007.

IF the information on that document was false, then please explain:

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Please explain to me how Obama's birth was registered by a local newspaper in 1961 when the information published was received directly from the State of Hawaii.

Thank you.

they just say it could be a fraud..without any reason to think that it is

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Except the only frothing at the mouth and chomping at the bit is coming from people like you and the other rank and file liberals on here who fear to DEATH the possibility that the real birth certificate will be scrutinized by the supreme court. You fear what might come of it's scrutiny, so you lash out at those who seek evidence beyond 1 liberal governor's word and maybe 2 janitor's.

Nice hyperbole.

If the SCOTUS were to rule on behalf of the plaintiffs, it would render the whole system of birth certificates illegitimate- anybody's identity could be called into question at any time. We'd need to allow access and scrutiny of every original birth certificate in existence- all birth certificates as we know them would become null and void.

Think about the implications of that for more than a nanosecond, then explain how it would be beneficial...

Might also want to consider just how such a demand fits into the constitution and the whole idea of states' rights- it's always been the states' right and responsibility to maintain such records, and their sole authority to vouch for their veracity- do you really want to change that?

Is that short form certitifcate of live birth from Hawaii an actual birth certificate? If I read correctly, Hawaii has a short form, then a long form that actually has all the relevant data on it. I would imagine the long form would look like the one I just got in California, which is a certified photocopy of my original typewritten birth certificate.
With that, based on this supposed Hawaii law that allows you to register a birth even if you aren't there anymore.. If I lived in Hawaii last year but now am a California resident, and my son is born here, when I register him in Hawaii do they actually do a long form birth certificate? Or is it a token cert of live birth and California maintain the actual long certificate? I have no idea.

As far as the US Supreme Court ruling goes, how would it render the whole system of birth certificates illegitimate? The certificate shown isn't the actual birth certificate. Hawaii says they have that locked away in a vault. If they rule in favor of the plaintiffs, they will just break out the real long form certificate and it's done. Right? No implications to think about. I believe anyone else can get a real certified long form birth certificate from their state.

Personally, I think this whole thing is crazy. Hopefully it will end quickly.

It is crazy, as is your analysis, or lack thereof. Let's say I'm the DMV of another state, one you moved to, and I say your certified photocopy of your birth certificate is a fake, and I want to examine the original held by the state of California before I'll accept the copy as legitimate. No, your California driver's license won't do, because it's based on a document, your birth certificate, that I can't personally authenticate to my satisfaction...

See where it leads?

Long form? Short form? First I've heard of that, it certainly hasn't been brought up in this thread before you mentioned it. The form itself and the information thereon is, again, a matter of States' Rights- different states obviously do things differently, and so far as any of us know, Obama's certificate is the same as any other issued by Hawaii...

Not that it matters to the birth certificate Truthers...

What they'll want next is the hospital records from his birth, along with sworn affidavits and polygraph results from all present... but his mother is dead, so that'll still leave room for doubt, and, well, it *could* be a much bigger conspiracy than they'd thought...

If the SCOTUS actually rules on this, it'll only be to bitch-slap any future suits of this type into oblivion before they ever get a hearing...

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Except the only frothing at the mouth and chomping at the bit is coming from people like you and the other rank and file liberals on here who fear to DEATH the possibility that the real birth certificate will be scrutinized by the supreme court. You fear what might come of it's scrutiny, so you lash out at those who seek evidence beyond 1 liberal governor's word and maybe 2 janitor's.

Nice hyperbole.

If the SCOTUS were to rule on behalf of the plaintiffs, it would render the whole system of birth certificates illegitimate- anybody's identity could be called into question at any time. We'd need to allow access and scrutiny of every original birth certificate in existence- all birth certificates as we know them would become null and void.

Think about the implications of that for more than a nanosecond, then explain how it would be beneficial...

Might also want to consider just how such a demand fits into the constitution and the whole idea of states' rights- it's always been the states' right and responsibility to maintain such records, and their sole authority to vouch for their veracity- do you really want to change that?

Is that short form certitifcate of live birth from Hawaii an actual birth certificate? If I read correctly, Hawaii has a short form, then a long form that actually has all the relevant data on it. I would imagine the long form would look like the one I just got in California, which is a certified photocopy of my original typewritten birth certificate.
With that, based on this supposed Hawaii law that allows you to register a birth even if you aren't there anymore.. If I lived in Hawaii last year but now am a California resident, and my son is born here, when I register him in Hawaii do they actually do a long form birth certificate? Or is it a token cert of live birth and California maintain the actual long certificate? I have no idea.

As far as the US Supreme Court ruling goes, how would it render the whole system of birth certificates illegitimate? The certificate shown isn't the actual birth certificate. Hawaii says they have that locked away in a vault. If they rule in favor of the plaintiffs, they will just break out the real long form certificate and it's done. Right? No implications to think about. I believe anyone else can get a real certified long form birth certificate from their state.

Personally, I think this whole thing is crazy. Hopefully it will end quickly.

It is crazy, as is your analysis, or lack thereof. Let's say I'm the DMV of another state, one you moved to, and I say your certified photocopy of your birth certificate is a fake, and I want to examine the original held by the state of California before I'll accept the copy as legitimate. No, your California driver's license won't do, because it's based on a document, your birth certificate, that I can't personally authenticate to my satisfaction...

See where it leads?

Long form? Short form? First I've heard of that, it certainly hasn't been brought up in this thread before you mentioned it. The form itself and the information thereon is, again, a matter of States' Rights- different states obviously do things differently, and so far as any of us know, Obama's certificate is the same as any other issued by Hawaii...

Not that it matters to the birth certificate Truthers...

What they'll want next is the hospital records from his birth, along with sworn affidavits and polygraph results from all present... but his mother is dead, so that'll still leave room for doubt, and, well, it *could* be a much bigger conspiracy than they'd thought...

If the SCOTUS actually rules on this, it'll only be to bitch-slap any future suits of this type into oblivion before they ever get a hearing...

People like Alan Keyes seem to be gaining momentum in the media, very slowly, but surely. Your 'setting a bad precident' stuff doesn't fly, at all. Running for POTUS isn't anywhere near the same thing as getting a drivers license renewed. Obama has family in Kenya, an Aunt who says she saw him be born there, and he won't allow the release of 2 records that could easily dispell this whole thing.

I'm not worried about him being a secret ex-Kenyan Secret Service turned Khazikstani loyalist trying to steal all of the USA's secrets for Borat's sister, but never-the-less, if the liberal douchebag can be disqualified from ruining this country, i'll gladly cheer from the sidelines to see that happen.

Anyway, we'll see what happens tomorrow. If the Supreme Court dismisses it, i'll respect that, if they take it up and find there's nothing to the whole thing, i'll respect that too.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

People like Alan Keyes seem to be gaining momentum in the media, very slowly, but surely. Your 'setting a bad precident' stuff doesn't fly, at all. Running for POTUS isn't anywhere near the same thing as getting a drivers license renewed. Obama has family in Kenya, an Aunt who says she saw him be born there, and he won't allow the release of 2 records that could easily dispell this whole thing.

I'm not worried about him being a secret ex-Kenyan Secret Service turned Khazikstani loyalist trying to steal all of the USA's secrets for Borat's sister, but never-the-less, if the liberal douchebag can be disqualified from ruining this country, i'll gladly cheer from the sidelines to see that happen.

Anyway, we'll see what happens tomorrow. If the Supreme Court dismisses it, i'll respect that, if they take it up and find there's nothing to the whole thing, i'll respect that too.

No, they really aren't. Alan Keyes is a national joke. The funny thing is a few months ago the right was trying to trash Obama by saying he didn't even really win his senate seat, because he beat a candidate as pathetic and insane as Alan Keyes.

I'm glad to hear you say that you'll respect the USSC's dismissal of this, because that's exactly what's going to happen.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

What about that newspaper birth announcement from 1961- Any comment? Or just lalalalalalalalala....?

Anyone? Anyone at all?

I'll take a stab at it.

Hawaii has the *call-in* birth certificate thingy.

If that did happen the newspaper announcement would have been generated from it.

Newspaper announcements don't prove squat; if they did history would say Dewey was elected president over Truman in 1948.

The main problem with the theory that it was from an out of state birth certificate is it wouldn't work with how those birth announcements were generated. Back then, apparently the Department of Vital Records collected birth certificates from hospitals and combined them into a single sheet that was posted for the papers to pick up and publish at the end of the week. Obama's birth announcement appeared in this section. If that HRS 338 was actually on the books when Obama was born (and the best I can tell, it dates back to at least 1982), out of state birth certificates are generated by a different source, namely the director of health. Even if they ended up in the list, due to the delays involved, it's unlikely out of state certificates would have been published with that week's hospital generated ones.

On a side note, I'm not positive that Obama would have even qualified for an out of state certificate. The current text for HRS 338-17.8 seems to require legal residency for both parents for at least one year preceding the birth. It's possible that one of both of Obama's parents did not meet that requirement, depending on the standard of residency used. For example, they would not have both met the residency requirements for in-state college tuition.

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Except the only frothing at the mouth and chomping at the bit is coming from people like you and the other rank and file liberals on here who fear to DEATH the possibility that the real birth certificate will be scrutinized by the supreme court. You fear what might come of it's scrutiny, so you lash out at those who seek evidence beyond 1 liberal governor's word and maybe 2 janitor's.

Nice hyperbole.

If the SCOTUS were to rule on behalf of the plaintiffs, it would render the whole system of birth certificates illegitimate- anybody's identity could be called into question at any time. We'd need to allow access and scrutiny of every original birth certificate in existence- all birth certificates as we know them would become null and void.

Think about the implications of that for more than a nanosecond, then explain how it would be beneficial...

Might also want to consider just how such a demand fits into the constitution and the whole idea of states' rights- it's always been the states' right and responsibility to maintain such records, and their sole authority to vouch for their veracity- do you really want to change that?

Is that short form certitifcate of live birth from Hawaii an actual birth certificate? If I read correctly, Hawaii has a short form, then a long form that actually has all the relevant data on it. I would imagine the long form would look like the one I just got in California, which is a certified photocopy of my original typewritten birth certificate.
With that, based on this supposed Hawaii law that allows you to register a birth even if you aren't there anymore.. If I lived in Hawaii last year but now am a California resident, and my son is born here, when I register him in Hawaii do they actually do a long form birth certificate? Or is it a token cert of live birth and California maintain the actual long certificate? I have no idea.

As far as the US Supreme Court ruling goes, how would it render the whole system of birth certificates illegitimate? The certificate shown isn't the actual birth certificate. Hawaii says they have that locked away in a vault. If they rule in favor of the plaintiffs, they will just break out the real long form certificate and it's done. Right? No implications to think about. I believe anyone else can get a real certified long form birth certificate from their state.

Personally, I think this whole thing is crazy. Hopefully it will end quickly.

It is crazy, as is your analysis, or lack thereof. Let's say I'm the DMV of another state, one you moved to, and I say your certified photocopy of your birth certificate is a fake, and I want to examine the original held by the state of California before I'll accept the copy as legitimate. No, your California driver's license won't do, because it's based on a document, your birth certificate, that I can't personally authenticate to my satisfaction...

See where it leads?

Long form? Short form? First I've heard of that, it certainly hasn't been brought up in this thread before you mentioned it. The form itself and the information thereon is, again, a matter of States' Rights- different states obviously do things differently, and so far as any of us know, Obama's certificate is the same as any other issued by Hawaii...

Not that it matters to the birth certificate Truthers...

Considering you dont even know that isnt an actual birth certificate, or the fact Hawaii gives out a simple short form while keeping the long form on record, I would say it is your analysis that is crazy. A long form birth certificate isnt just a simple piece of paper that basically just says you were born (the short form is). No, the long form comes complete with the hospital name and address, your full name, and your parents' full names, address, age, birthplace, SSN, and even their occupation. It says how many were born (twins, etc). It says if you were you born in or out of city limits. It has the doctor's signature/date, parent signature/date, and even a registrar signature/date, certifying the birth was in fact on that date, that hour, and that place.

That is what these people filing suits want to see. The real official birth certificate, complete with all those details and signatures that proves he was born in Hawaii.

 

[KGB]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: KGBMAN
I honestly can't believe this thread had any "traction" to begin with let alone still going.

Even the "Bulk Beef" thread in OT had more merit.

10lbs of alternator sized birth certificates?

:laugh:


Duwelon, thanks for the new sig, DittoHead. :disgust:

 

[Ozoned]

Truth or conspiracy. Proven, who would have the most to gain, or most to loose?


Obama, and Obama.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Considering you dont even know that isnt an actual birth certificate, or the fact Hawaii gives out a simple short form while keeping the long form on record, I would say it is your analysis that is crazy. A long form birth certificate isnt just a simple piece of paper that basically just says you were born (the short form is). No, the long form comes complete with the hospital name and address, your full name, and your parents' full names, address, age, birthplace, SSN, and even their occupation. It says how many were born (twins, etc). It says if you were you born in or out of city limits. It has the doctor's signature/date, parent signature/date, and even a registrar signature/date, certifying the birth was in fact on that date, that hour, and that place.

That is what these people filing suits want to see. The real official birth certificate, complete with all those details and signatures that proves he was born in Hawaii.

Now when the State officials of Hawaii come out and say that they've seen it and it's real, why isn't that the end of it? How is any court, even the Supreme Court, more knowledgeable about what's a valid state-issued document than the officials of that very state?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Truth or conspiracy. Proven, who would have the most to gain, or most to loose?


Obama, and Obama.

It is Proven and Obama has already Gained.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Wait a sec, this whole thread is a complete lie. I just read some news articles, and the person bringing the suit fully acknowledges that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. His complaint is that because Obama's father was Kenyan, which was under British rule at the time, Obama was thus both a British and American citizen by birth, and not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution. All this nonsense about whether or not he was born in Hawaii is a moot point, as that fact is not in contention in the case the Supreme Court may elect to hear.

But don't let that stop you from making complete asses of yourself with your conspiracy nonsense. Hey, apparently Obama was born on the moon in a madrassa holding a swastika and a burning American flag! And did you know he killed Jesus? It's true! I read it on the internet! You guys sound about as credible as the people who claim George Bush planned 9/11 to invade Iraq.

 

[imported_K3N]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Wait a sec, this whole thread is a complete lie. I just read some news articles, and the person bringing the suit fully acknowledges that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. His complaint is that because Obama's father was Kenyan, which was under British rule at the time, Obama was thus both a British and American citizen by birth, and not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution. All this nonsense about whether or not he was born in Hawaii is a moot point, as that fact is not in contention in the case the Supreme Court may elect to hear.

But don't let that stop you from making complete asses of yourself with your conspiracy nonsense. Hey, apparently Obama was born on the moon in a madrassa holding a swastika and a burning American flag! And did you know he killed Jesus? It's true! I read it on the internet! You guys sound about as credible as the people who claim George Bush planned 9/11 to invade Iraq.

Bush is an ignorant puppet of the illuminati, he couldn't plan anything even if his life depended on it.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Anyway, we'll see what happens tomorrow. If the Supreme Court dismisses it, i'll respect that, if they take it up and find there's nothing to the whole thing, i'll respect that too.

Hahaha, no you won't. You'll be screaming and crying from the sidelines about "activist" judges for years.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: K3N

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Wait a sec, this whole thread is a complete lie. I just read some news articles, and the person bringing the suit fully acknowledges that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. His complaint is that because Obama's father was Kenyan, which was under British rule at the time, Obama was thus both a British and American citizen by birth, and not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution. All this nonsense about whether or not he was born in Hawaii is a moot point, as that fact is not in contention in the case the Supreme Court may elect to hear.

But don't let that stop you from making complete asses of yourself with your conspiracy nonsense. Hey, apparently Obama was born on the moon in a madrassa holding a swastika and a burning American flag! And did you know he killed Jesus? It's true! I read it on the internet! You guys sound about as credible as the people who claim George Bush planned 9/11 to invade Iraq.

Bush is an ignorant puppet of the illuminati, he couldn't plan anything even if his life depended on it.

Illuminati conspiracies FTL.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: K3N

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Wait a sec, this whole thread is a complete lie. I just read some news articles, and the person bringing the suit fully acknowledges that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. His complaint is that because Obama's father was Kenyan, which was under British rule at the time, Obama was thus both a British and American citizen by birth, and not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution. All this nonsense about whether or not he was born in Hawaii is a moot point, as that fact is not in contention in the case the Supreme Court may elect to hear.

But don't let that stop you from making complete asses of yourself with your conspiracy nonsense. Hey, apparently Obama was born on the moon in a madrassa holding a swastika and a burning American flag! And did you know he killed Jesus? It's true! I read it on the internet! You guys sound about as credible as the people who claim George Bush planned 9/11 to invade Iraq.

Bush is an ignorant puppet of the illuminati, he couldn't plan anything even if his life depended on it.

But Obama can travel through time. As soon as you're able to realize why you dismiss 9/11 conspiracies, you'll be able to understand why we dismiss this birth certificate nonsense. You take a set of facts (Obama's father was Kenyan), and use that as a jumping off point to claim Obama was born in Kenya, despite his having a US birth certificate verified by the issuing state, despite an announcement from 1961 in a local paper, despite his apparent Indonesian citizenship form listing his birthplace as Honolulu, despite the current court case against his citizenship fully acknowledging he was born on US soil... You have no facts to support you. Not one.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: K3N

Bush is an ignorant puppet of the illuminati, he couldn't plan anything even if his life depended on it.

Poor K3N hasn't been on this planet long enough to distinguish fact from fanatasy. Until he can, he should go back to playing with Barbi3. :laugh: