Black Hawk Down

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b

Originally posted by: d3lta

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
It was ok. I have problems watching it due to the stupidity of the decisions the military made...

The military wasn't the one making the bad decisions. It was the politicians *cough*Clinton*cough* in D.C.

it wasn't clinton, well sort of. it was more like the senate... they refused the request for bradleys and ac130u's, saying something about it would make it look like a full out war...

I suggest you guys read the full pentagon report, and then the report made my General William Garrison (rt) taking full responsiblity to the actions that took place on oct 3 1993 as i did...before you make any opinion

Anyways..GREAT! to see so many BHD fans here...i have actually watched that movie over 80 times (wore out the VHS tape and had to buy the deluxe 3 disk DVD, def worth it IMO)

anyways ive written to some of the soliders still in the military, and it was very interesting to get responces from them and to hear some things that you didnt know from the book/movie/documentary/pentagon released transcripts and videos

anyway if I could live up to be half of a man that gary gordon and randy shugart were i'd die a happy man...

what did some of the soldiers say? i haven't read any of the reports on it. hell, first time i heard of the whole situation was when i watched the movie (i was 6 when it happened). but anyways, what do the pentagon and general's reports say (in brief)?

HOLY SH!T, I hate how you accidently type sh!t and there goes your whole post...

anyway the repost goes into every possible thing that could have caused the mission to go wrong, a lot of things that you could think of
some basic and obvious things:
same mission template
reports of somali's getting trained to use RPG's as surface to air missiles
spector gunships (which might have actually interfered with the BH and LB gun runs which might have made matters worse)
and a bunch of other things

Garrison's report repeats a lot and blames it on himself, but never really admits it, just how he should have had a responce force ready (which you really connot blame him on) and things like that...

overall IMO the sh!t hit the fan, but the mission was succsessful, the soldiers acted in the most elite and honorable actions they could have, and the dead died fighting in the most respectable manner they could have...

its really how we pulled out afterwards which sort of pisses me off....

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
How realistic is that movie as far as how the operatives move and things like that? Not as far as realistic per the hsitory of that specific event, but as far as the guys running around the buildings and all that stuff?

as far as realisticness, It comes very close, sure there are hollywood scenes but the movie stayed true to the book, and all the actors recieved atual military training for one week (the rangers went to a one week boot camp where they learned the stuff in the movie and the ranger creeed and espirirt) the delta actors went to the 7th SOF group and recieved their training, and the pilots went to the night stalker school and did some stuff in simulators, learned about the birds and even spoke with some of the pilots that were there...

the weapons handling, tactics ect were all very close to what delta does...there are some deleted scenes on the 2nd DVD in the set that show more of the real world stuff that looks exactly like the real thing...especially this one scene with Delta clearing the room....

I recomend anyone who saw the movie or read the book to read Inside Delta Force which is an awesome book by one of the founding members of Delta, Edir Haney...i ahve reread it a lot, and also followed it up with other books and it really gives some great insight to tactics and the actual capabilities of our special forces...a lot more than you think...especially the training that goes on in our countures cities today that could go on right in front of your eyes if you know what to look for...

then there is also charles beckwith's (the creator of Delta, and also the father in law of of Delta Sargent Howe) book...delta force...while a short read it covers the Iran Hostage Mission in depth and also gets into some more Delta detail

 

[RaDragon]

Is it just me, or does somebody else find the fact that most of the parts are played by British actors and not American actors, disturbing?

 

[Juice Box]

Originally posted by: RaDragon
Is it just me, or does somebody else find the fact that most of the parts are played by British actors and not American actors, disturbing?

not really....thats the case fairly often these days....did you see Batman?

 

[suicidalpigeon]

this movie got orlando bloom into the big bucks. maybe i should join a movie and fall off a blackhawk. or was it lord of the rings.. whichever came first.

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: wafflesandsyrup
this movie got orlando bloom into the big bucks. maybe i should join a movie and fall off a blackhawk. or was it lord of the rings.. whichever came first.

I thought that was LOTR that did that. OB was in the movie for like 1 minute of screentime.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: RaDragon
Is it just me, or does somebody else find the fact that most of the parts are played by British actors and not American actors, disturbing?

Winters in Band of Brothers was played by an Australian. This kind of stuff happens all the time. I was blown away when watching the "making of" stuff and the guy used his normal accent.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: RaDragon
Is it just me, or does somebody else find the fact that most of the parts are played by British actors and not American actors, disturbing?

not really....thats the case fairly often these days....did you see Batman?

actually the reason they were not played by american actors is becuase, quite understandabley) with helmets and full gear on many of the characters would be undistinguishable, so the director casted euro's and aussi's as well as americans, becuase of their distinctive looks that would make them stand out

 

[Juice Box]

Originally posted by: wafflesandsyrup
this movie got orlando bloom into the big bucks. maybe i should join a movie and fall off a blackhawk. or was it lord of the rings.. whichever came first.

yeah...that was some KILLER ACTING :roll:

*falls out of BH*

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: wafflesandsyrup
this movie got orlando bloom into the big bucks. maybe i should join a movie and fall off a blackhawk. or was it lord of the rings.. whichever came first.

I thought that was LOTR that did that. OB was in the movie for like 1 minute of screentime.

make that 4...but they cut out the ending seen where eversman was talking to OB about his parents and pulling out and the rest of the guys...but they used another ending scene instead...

 

[BudAshes]

HOOT!

 

[RaDragon]

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: RaDragon
Is it just me, or does somebody else find the fact that most of the parts are played by British actors and not American actors, disturbing?

not really....thats the case fairly often these days....did you see Batman?

actually the reason they were not played by american actors is becuase, quite understandabley) with helmets and full gear on many of the characters would be undistinguishable, so the director casted euro's and aussi's as well as americans, becuase of their distinctive looks that would make them stand out

I guess... But for an "All-American Hero" story, it's ironic that we'd hire foreign nationals to fill in some of the spots.

Back to OT, it's a great great movie. I have the DVD as well and I can't help but feel good after watching it -- knowing that bravery and valor still exist in this world (outside of fake Hollywood).

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: RaDragon
Is it just me, or does somebody else find the fact that most of the parts are played by British actors and not American actors, disturbing?

not really....thats the case fairly often these days....did you see Batman?

actually the reason they were not played by american actors is becuase, quite understandabley) with helmets and full gear on many of the characters would be undistinguishable, so the director casted euro's and aussi's as well as americans, becuase of their distinctive looks that would make them stand out

yes, because all americans look the same :roll:

 

[Juice Box]

"you know what I think?.....it doesnt matter what I think"

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: RaDragon
Is it just me, or does somebody else find the fact that most of the parts are played by British actors and not American actors, disturbing?

not really....thats the case fairly often these days....did you see Batman?

actually the reason they were not played by american actors is becuase, quite understandabley) with helmets and full gear on many of the characters would be undistinguishable, so the director casted euro's and aussi's as well as americans, becuase of their distinctive looks that would make them stand out

um... what? the director, Ridley Scott, hired a lot of brits because he's british himself.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: RaDragon
Is it just me, or does somebody else find the fact that most of the parts are played by British actors and not American actors, disturbing?

not really....thats the case fairly often these days....did you see Batman?

actually the reason they were not played by american actors is becuase, quite understandabley) with helmets and full gear on many of the characters would be undistinguishable, so the director casted euro's and aussi's as well as americans, becuase of their distinctive looks that would make them stand out

yes, because all americans look the same :roll:

acutally with shaved almost bald heads, yes, they do not have distincive facial features as Euro's do....To us americans, being the key phrase...and hey im in NJ and i agree....

and actually...don't all ew actors look alike these days?? wuith there gd shaggy hair, stupid little boy looks and whiny voices...oops nvm thats new boy group singers.....

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: RaDragon
Is it just me, or does somebody else find the fact that most of the parts are played by British actors and not American actors, disturbing?

not really....thats the case fairly often these days....did you see Batman?

actually the reason they were not played by american actors is becuase, quite understandabley) with helmets and full gear on many of the characters would be undistinguishable, so the director casted euro's and aussi's as well as americans, becuase of their distinctive looks that would make them stand out

um... what? the director, Ridley Scott, hired a lot of brits because he's british himself.

no not really...they did casting for Americans first, but realized they needed more diversity...he explains it in depth

 

[RaDragon]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b

Originally posted by: Juice Box

Originally posted by: RaDragon
Is it just me, or does somebody else find the fact that most of the parts are played by British actors and not American actors, disturbing?

not really....thats the case fairly often these days....did you see Batman?

actually the reason they were not played by american actors is becuase, quite understandabley) with helmets and full gear on many of the characters would be undistinguishable, so the director casted euro's and aussi's as well as americans, becuase of their distinctive looks that would make them stand out

um... what? the director, Ridley Scott, hired a lot of brits because he's british himself.

...that's another thing. It's helmed by an Englishman. Not that I mind, but I just find it, a bit odd.

 

[m2kewl]

didn't those two delta snipers get the MOH???

 

[Scarpozzi]

Not only is it sad and depressing, it sucks cause it depicts how grim that kind of fighting is. You're up against an enemy that looks just like the civilians you're trying to protect. It's pretty messed up.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I liked a lot more when I got my 55 inch tv with surround sound

500 watt surround system + Black Hawk Down = splooge

I :heart: Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1's

It looks nice on my 61inch TV with my Yamaha Reciever and Mixture of speakers (RTR1530 for front Left and right, JBL EC35 in the front mid, and in the rear, I forget which model, but they are three way Sony speakers with 8 inch woofers) ... And my crappy 100 watt SUB that is pretty much useless since it's only an 8 inch, and my main L and R speakers have 15 inch woofers

 

[Rudee]

The movie scenes were just too repetitive for me to enjoy more then once. Bad guy pops around corner and shoots, good guy shoots back killing bad guy, repeat... The entire second half of the movie was just repetitious and rather dull.

 

[Hammer]

only bad thing about that move is tom sizemore. knowing what a lowlife scumbag he is hurts the movie.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Hammer
only bad thing about that move is tom sizemore. knowing what a lowlife scumbag he is hurts the movie.

the actor or the character he plays...what did he do...i never heard anything about him?

stebbins, yes...he molested chilren later...

 

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by: Hammer
only bad thing about that move is tom sizemore. knowing what a lowlife scumbag he is hurts the movie.

Yeah, I think about that now when I see him but he still makes a good movie tough guy. His roles in Saving Private Ryan and BHD suited him well.