Ya think it would be better to pull the Samsung 256 pc2700 and add two PNY (samsung chips) pc2700 or just add a single PNY 256 stick to the existing Samsung stick?
But other than the fan that keeps the CPU cool, what keeps the case cool with nothing but the powersupply fan?
And speaking of power supplies, why is this 250w ps sufficient when most say it isn't. How does Medion pull off using a 250W ps?
Originally posted by: BigEdMuustaffa
But other than the fan that keeps the CPU cool, what keeps the case cool with nothing but the powersupply fan?
And speaking of power supplies, why is this 250w ps sufficient when most say it isn't. How does Medion pull off using a 250W ps?
You are mixing cause and effect somewhat here
:In traditional designs the case is kept cool to reduce the temps of the internal air that is used to cool the cpu. With direct cooling of the cpu keeping the case cool is secondary.
Regarding the RAM I'd check the specs of the SAMSUNG and make sure that anything youadd does not have lower timings. Otherwise it may be cheaper to purchase an additional identical piece of samsung PC2700 rather than two pieces of another ram. I am not sure how good PNY is btw....
There is only a 250 watt power supply in this puppy. I called Medions tech support and the 2nd tier dude, said it was sufficient, but I'm wondering what would happen if you add like a tv tuner or another hd........I should do the math I guess, but 250 seems a bit skimpy especially since I'm sure it's not true 250w....Any comments?
UPDATE: apparently this is a Fortron power supply, who makes Sparkle(a decent PS) But, the 250 still seems a bit lame since the maximum output on the 3.3 and 5v rails combined is 145W max. To replace the ps with a bigger one might blow the deal price wise, plus, what do you do with the 250?
UPDATE: apparently this is a Fortron power supply, who makes Sparkle(a decent PS) But, the 250 still seems a bit lame since the maximum output on the 3.3 and 5v rails combined is 145W max. To replace the ps with a bigger one might blow the deal price wise, plus, what do you do with the 250?
250 W is sufficient as long as you don't overclock. The processor may draw close to 70W and the graphics card may draw another 20 or so. These values go up substamtially if you apply higher voltages and higher frequencies. I think this is not possible with the standard mobo so you will likely not exhaust the P/S. (Other components are not that critcal.) I think my Dull has 250W also and it's no problem.
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Thanks,
the only thing I'm thinking is, if I were to add another drive or pci card or such. I guess I should really do some math and add the wattage usage of all the parts. The only problem is, I can't find any information on the MB from the manufacturer. I also don't want to have the PS running at it's maxiimum output. Seems logical that if it runs at 1/2 or 3/4 maximum it should last longer. The maximum output by the way of the 3.3 and 5v is 145w. They don't tell you what it is combined with the 12v rail...
Ed:
Read my previous posts... I added a HD just fine. IMHO I don't think I'd trust the PSU any further than that but there's nothing else I need.
Read my previous posts... I added a HD just fine. IMHO I don't think I'd trust the PSU any further than that but there's nothing else I need.
Well the only things I think I'd add that I want is the 2nd hard drive as you said, but since this doesn't have a tv tuner, and since I got an extra one lying around that I wanted to use, I would want to install that as well. I'm gonna try to add up all the wattages of the peripherals and see what I come up with. Wish there was a way to know for sure.
I don't know if anyone is still looking for one of these PC's, but there are three of them in the Hazleton, PA store.
I've never been in an Aldi's before, but after reading this thread for so long now I had to take a run in to see it for myself.
On a side note, I would stay away from the echiladas (-2 for spelling?) in a can. The only thing I bought there, heated it up and ate them tonight. I won't make that mistake again......Nasty.
I've never been in an Aldi's before, but after reading this thread for so long now I had to take a run in to see it for myself.
On a side note, I would stay away from the echiladas (-2 for spelling?) in a can. The only thing I bought there, heated it up and ate them tonight. I won't make that mistake again......Nasty.
More important than wattage in a P/S is that you can draw enough current for the individual voltages. AMD was first to produce CPUs with more than 50W, but they drew most of their current through the 5V lead (10A for the processor alone- 50W/5A)), so they reverted to requiring 250 or ideally 300W. In the meantime P/S design has caught up, and most P/Ss provide 20+A at the 5V lead and PIV capable P/S have an extra connector for the processor, reducing somewhat the loss through sharing the 5V lead with other peripherals. AFAIK most drives and other peripherals actually use mainly the 12 V lead. So yeah 250W if well designed is OK for a normal system.
Yo
Originally posted by: Yo2
More important than wattage in a P/S is that you can draw enough current for the individual voltages. AMD was first to produce CPUs with more than 50W, but they drew most of their current through the 5V lead (10A for the processor alone- 50W/5A)), so they reverted to requiring 250 or ideally 300W. In the meantime P/S design has caught up, and most P/Ss provide 20+A at the 5V lead and PIV capable P/S have an extra connector for the processor, reducing somewhat the loss through sharing the 5V lead with other peripherals. AFAIK most drives and other peripherals actually use mainly the 12 V lead. So yeah 250W if well designed is OK for a normal system.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, but figures don't lie but liars can figure. Not all 250w ps's for example put out 250w, and they all may add the watts and amps differently. I understand this, I've read the specs and the available amps and such for each rail. This particular ps appears to have a maximump 3.3 and 5v output of around 150 watts, but if one of the rails is using the maximum amps it's allowed the other has to be reduced so the total watts (amps x volts) is no larger than the 150. I calculated the 12v limit to be about 70 -75 watts. I'm going to call Medion tomorrow and find out exactly cause I'm adding a 2nd hd and a Pinnacle pc tv pro tuner. Some manufacturers will allow a ps upgrade if they feel the current ps is not sufficient. I'll post my findings.
hello everyone I like a lot of people saw the ad on thanks giving (see my thread " eggs and computers" in the hardware section ) since i set up my machine i have put in a new 2nd hd wd which i loaded all my files from my old unit by the way everything is copying over fine some first impessions xp is sweet and since it is preloaded you dont have to reg with bill g. I am supprised how hot the hd's are and how quiet it is with the side panel off also unit case gets fairly warm when running rtcw at 8x12 with every thing turned up and my son is fragging the heck out of the bad guys reding the german web sites the is a tv turner card in the modem unit wich works through the inputs in the front panel tv/s video in and there is a ton of good softwear with unit all componts are first class even the edges of the case are bevelled
I think you are confusing tv tuner with tv capture. TV tuner allows you to watch television on your computer full screen or in a window, tv capture means you can capture tv/video, etc. for video editing and such.
If anyone lives near an aldis i would appreciate a heads up on if your able to buy one and ship to me. I live in northern Michigan and my nearest aldis is 128 miles away. Perhaps someone can work out a way for me to get a hold of one by shipping it to me. I dont know exactly what this would cost but it cant be too bad especially if you are a fellow Michigan native. I would gladly work out a way to get the coin to you first. Finding out shipping through UPS/FEDEX should be easy if we know the weight and you have my zip: 49684. Let me know and thank you. Jon
Some Aldi's still have these systems. My (Winston-Salem, NC) store still has three. Looks like a good buy but my Dell 4550 is only 2 months old. I figure the Dell has better resell in a year since it has a name that is known..... My next computer will be 3+ghz with the hyper whatever...
Anyone ever heard of ZT Group? They have some good prices on systems but they don't seem to be rated by any consumer groups. I was only looking at them cause they have cases that look a little more expandable then the Aldi's deal. (Although I can't think of anything else you'd want to ad to the Aldi's system) The Medion only has 3 pci slots and I think 2 are already filled
Ed:
Only 1 of the PCI slots is filled, the other 2 are empty. That CNR slot has a modem in it (which I pulled from my rig).
Michigan dude... what's in it for me if I decide to ship you one of these??
Only 1 of the PCI slots is filled, the other 2 are empty. That CNR slot has a modem in it (which I pulled from my rig).
Michigan dude... what's in it for me if I decide to ship you one of these??
So you still think this is a keeper, even though it's not as expandable case and mb wise? I've seen some decent similar if not better priced deals in computer mags, like one for the ZT group, etc, which has like 3 year warranty on parts not one year like Medion. Only problem is that some of these other companies don't have much of a track record, or may not be around for 3 years or a lifetime....
(of course parts manufacturers still might, but they usually don't back up oem stuff like they do retail)Anyone else who got in on this deal have an opinion? Compared to what else is out there that is.....
For anyone interested, these are still in stock (as is the flat panel monitor) at the Aldi Foods in West Seneca, New York.
I was tempted - the thing is pretty well loaded... and nice extras like all the jacks on the front panel - s video, compact flash, secure digital, memory stick slots, etc. Nice graphics card.
But I guess since I'm poor I'll struggle along with my 866mhz Dimension, especially seeing as I've rebuilt the dang thing, everything but the mobo. Radeon, etc.
I was tempted - the thing is pretty well loaded... and nice extras like all the jacks on the front panel - s video, compact flash, secure digital, memory stick slots, etc. Nice graphics card.
But I guess since I'm poor I'll struggle along with my 866mhz Dimension, especially seeing as I've rebuilt the dang thing, everything but the mobo. Radeon, etc.
Ok, couple of negatives on this machine I found out, any other thoughts?
Even though there are supposedly 2 open PCI slots, one of them is blocked by the fan on the video card so in all actuallity, there is only one free PCI slot.
Power supply seems a little thin for upgrades like another HD or something in the PCI slot. They do not offer any other PS than the included 250watt.
Tech support said that the CPU is glued to the motherboard and any HSF or cpu replacement would require sending the system back for service. They would pay for shipping back and forth but there is the "time" factor of not having it to use.
2 memory slots, one has 256k stick in it, but the other seems to have it's locking mechanism blocked by video card so in order to add another stick you'd have to remove the video card first. No biggie but more of a p.i.t.a. then anything.
Even though there are supposedly 2 open PCI slots, one of them is blocked by the fan on the video card so in all actuallity, there is only one free PCI slot.
Power supply seems a little thin for upgrades like another HD or something in the PCI slot. They do not offer any other PS than the included 250watt.
Tech support said that the CPU is glued to the motherboard and any HSF or cpu replacement would require sending the system back for service. They would pay for shipping back and forth but there is the "time" factor of not having it to use.
2 memory slots, one has 256k stick in it, but the other seems to have it's locking mechanism blocked by video card so in order to add another stick you'd have to remove the video card first. No biggie but more of a p.i.t.a. then anything.
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