[BitsAndChips]390X ready for launch - AMD ironing out drivers - Computex launch

[SirPauly]

From the day HD4850 launched until the first day of GTX680, if we look at the total market share AMD did not gain much, if at all. I am not going to pull up the charts again as I've done it 10X. So AMD had both perf/watt and price/perf and still didn't make a dent in the overall market share in the last 5-6 years. So your point is only now people started to care for perf/watt or is it because NV is in the lead?

imho,

AMD certainly did and their balanced, well executed, sweet spot strategy eventually did regain over-all discrete leadership in Q2/Q3/2010. AMD was so confident, this was the time-line to replace the ATI brand.

I don't think performance/watt is the most important metric for all enthusiasts or even desktop but it still is an important metric. Virtually every third party review touches on power usage and belongs in the conversation. The more one downplays it or attempts to make it irrelevant just offers more awareness and more discussion.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Yet people still act like GW is a good thing and not Nvidia's temper tantrum over not getting any console contracts.

Meh, Nvidia has always been a fan of proprietary standards. We see it all the time on Linux. This is just VDPAU vs VAAPI all over again.

 

[Final8ty]

BOOM! SLI, Xfire, all fair and square. Works regardless that it is beta and amd sponsored game.

Should amd do what nv is doing and we would have a burning crusade here.

You can add the latest Alien isolation to that list, worked great for everyone.
In fact the majority of amd sponsored games work just as well on NV cards.

 

[chimaxi83]

Project Cars releases on May 7th. So I would wait it out before judging AMD cards. There is a good chance that AMD will have a driver this month for Witcher 3 and Project Cars. btw can you stop with your exaggeration and hyperbole. its getting irritating. Nvidia is invincible. Nvidia is god. Nvidia is king of marketing. Nvidia will kill AMD by starting a price war.

btw when you talk of AIB GM200's do you think AMD partners will be twiddling their thumbs with R9 390X. I except some wickedly fast cards from Sapphire, MSI, ASUS. Its expected that there will be TOXIC, LIGHTNING, MATRIX versions of R9 390X. So lets see how they fare with the Classified / Lightning / Matrix GM200. Till then I suggest you please tone down your Nvidia chest thumping.

Lol oh come on man. How quickly people forget that RS pretty much calls it like he sees it, and bashes equally and where deserved. Even if it doesn't belong here, there are plenty of dedicated Nvidia trolls here who deserve this kind of post instead. Also, compared to AMD, Nvidia IS the marketing king. Don't make me link The Fixer videos D:

I'm expecting some crazy after market 390X cards too, and can't wait to see them :thumbsup:

 

[krumme]

Low end AMD GPU with 384 shaders and HBM.
2048-bit!

http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...d1e8d8ebd9e9cfbd80b096f396ab9bbdcef3c2f1&l=en

Thanx for feeding us
But that sounds freaking crazy imo and would indicate the greatest shake up in gpu for years. Is there anything else to back it up?

One can say that if amd is going to use 1b from gf capacity 2015 surely it must be the gpu doing the major part because the rest is in ruins. But 384 and hbm makes no sense to me - ...hey great if it happens this early. Damn.

 

[Azix]

Thanx for feeding us
But that sounds freaking crazy imo and would indicate the greatest shake up in gpu for years. Is there anything else to back it up?

One can say that if amd is going to use 1b from gf capacity 2015 surely it must be the gpu doing the major part because the rest is in ruins. But 384 and hbm makes no sense to me - ...hey great if it happens this early. Damn.

well they wouldn't put ddr3 on it during gddr5s reign, just because it's low end. This just means HBM is a standard for them and all their cards can have it. That's going to be the norm in the future anyway

 

[krumme]

well they wouldn't put ddr3 on it during gddr5s reign, just because it's low end. This just means HBM is a standard for them and all their cards can have it. That's going to be the norm in the future anyway

Well seems like it if true. A new low-high hbm lineup also simplifies driver development and eases general oem adoption.

 

[Cloudfire777]

R9 370 price: $179
(Note its not the 370X)

 

[raghu78]

R9 370 price: $179
(Note its not the 370X)

so is this R9 370 on par with GTX 960 or slightly slower ?

I think we might get a few details about the R9 3xx Pirate Islands chips tomorrow at AMD Financial Analyst Day 2015. Atleast we will get the actual codenames of the chips. I don't know if we will get to know the important stuff like sp count, ROP count, memory type , TDP etc.

 

[Despoiler]

Well seems like it if true. A new low-high hbm lineup also simplifies driver development and eases general oem adoption.

Not to mention it's inline with reaching economies of scale, unifies the memory portion of chip design and PCB layout, and enables a big bullet point for marketing to use.

 

[Techhog]

so is this R9 370 on par with GTX 960 or slightly slower ?

I think we might get a few details about the R9 3xx Pirate Islands chips tomorrow at AMD Financial Analyst Day 2015. Atleast we will get the actual codenames of the chips. I don't know if we will get to know the important stuff like sp count, ROP count, memory type , TDP etc.

If Cloudfire's claims are to be believed, it would be significantly faster (GTX 770 or better).

 

[maddie]

so is this R9 370 on par with GTX 960 or slightly slower ?

I think we might get a few details about the R9 3xx Pirate Islands chips tomorrow at AMD Financial Analyst Day 2015. Atleast we will get the actual codenames of the chips. I don't know if we will get to know the important stuff like sp count, ROP count, memory type , TDP etc.

If Cloudfire's claims are to be believed, it would be significantly faster (GTX 770 or better).

If the 370X ~ GTX 780, then 370 really should be faster than GTX 960. The split between X and non X models are not usually that great. According to TPU 960 to 780 is 136%.

 

[Techhog]

If the 370X ~ GTX 780, then 370 really should be faster than GTX 960. The split between X and non X models are not usually that great. According to TPU 960 to 780 is 136%.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. That said, I still don't really believe Cloudfire

 

[maddie]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. That said, I still don't really believe Cloudfire

What about the Sissoft result.

No one, not even the biggest AMD supporter would have said HBM on the low end.
Unless it's a fake.

Just wondered about this.
Could that sisoft result be an APU fitted on a PCIe card for early engineering work?

 

[boozzer]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. That said, I still don't really believe Cloudfire

haha I get what you are implying. hyping us all to the clouds so we will all be mega disappointed when the details are actually released it is another way of attacking amd pretty brilliant too.

I hope his leaks are legit, I want it to be. :thumbsup:

 

[monstercameron]

haha I get what you are implying. hyping us all to the clouds so we will all be mega disappointed when the details are actually released it is another way of attacking amd pretty brilliant too.

I hope his leaks are legit, I want it to be. :thumbsup:

would be next level, the long game...interesting.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Time to reveal price of 3 upcoming cards:

R9 370; $179
GTX 960Ti: $249
R9 370X: $229


Cheers

EDIT: This is of course what my source told me. Take it or leave it. Don`t blame me if the price are different when they launch. Its all rumors until official reveal.

 

[Rvenger]

Time to reveal price of 3 upcoming cards:

R9 370; $179
GTX 960Ti: $249
R9 370X: $229


Cheers

You know what, if you don't have official sources/facts to back these up, don't post them because your "source" is not going to be well appreciated if you are incorrect.

Every member here will believe you trolled them and will be quite a big mess for us mods to clean up. You better start stating your posts as speculation and not facts.

If I find out you did this to stir up trouble on purpose your account will be under review by administration.

-Rvenger

 

[Azix]

is the 390 $400?

 

[Cloudfire777]

You know what, if you don't have official sources/facts to back these up, don't post them because your "source" is not going to be well appreciated if you are incorrect.

Every member here will believe you trolled them and will be quite a big mess for us mods to clean up. You better start stating your posts as speculation and not facts.

If I find out you did this to stir up trouble on purpose your account will be under review by administration.

-Rvenger

Post edited.
Not sure why you are ranting. Its up to people to trust what I post or not. I already said I can`t post what the guy gave me.

The HP Envy Pheonix desktop have either R9 380 or GTX 980 as GPU choice. The price starts at $899. For a full desktop with water cooling. You don`t have to be a genious to understand that the R9 380 won`t cost that much and it will be cheaper than GTX 980.

But fine, I`ll not post anything more then if I don`t have anything to back it up


Infraction issued for moderator callout.

-Rvenger

 

[3DVagabond]

AMD needs to pick key titles but their help in these games does not negatively affect nvidia like nvidias does amd. Shame really as far as looking good goes. But games like witcher 3 should have been AMD, for the sake of the game and for our sake. The next deus ex will be amd with tressfx (and dx12 too). unfortunately division won't be amd due to being ubisoft game and will likely suffer for it.

It doesn't matter what titles AMD picks. They had multiple bundles with AAA titles. Whatever game(s) they choose the viral marketing just says, These games suck anyway. Who cares about those games? blah blah blah... It doesn't matter that game day drivers are completely out of AMD's control because the GW devs can't share code.

When the 5870 came out it used about 1/2 the power that nVidia's cards did. Even Fermi that came 6 months later. It barely mattered. If Fermi was on time it wouldn't have mattered at all. It was almost a year before nVidia released the 460. Before that AMD had their entire stack out. Did AMD gain 75% market share? No, not even 60%. They barely reached equilibrium.

It's all marketing. Pure and simple. AMD just simply sucks at it compared to nVidia. I'm not talking the shady marketing either. Good old fashioned promoting your products.

 

[krumme]

Hell does amd even know what the prices is when they launch?

As i recall both amd and nv ajust list prices prices right to the day of reviews.
Nv normally set price a little to low as i remember. Smart move. Amd often seems to do the oposite and have to ajust down - 5850 gen an exception. But imo knowing retail list prices now before any reaction of nv makes no sense. Smoke and mirrors...

 

[3DVagabond]

Hell does amd even know what the prices is when they launch?

As i recall both amd and nv ajust list prices prices right to the day of reviews.
Nv normally set price a little to low as i remember. Smart move. Amd often seems to do the oposite and have to ajust down - 5850 gen an exception. But imo knowing retail list prices now before any reaction of nv makes no sense. Smoke and mirrors...

What?

 

[krumme]

What?

As i recall nv tends to list retail price used in reviews a tad smaller than what you can actually buy. (if by chance you can actually get a 970 with that low tdp anyway). It gives good reviews and they dont have to ajust list prices then
But anyway its OT. The point is how should anyone know the list prices a month before? - the question is then also why should we be given the information?

 

[Majcric]

Post edited.
Not sure why you are ranting. Its up to people to trust what I post or not. I already said I can`t post what the guy gave me.

The HP Envy Pheonix desktop have either R9 380 or GTX 980 as GPU choice. The price starts at $899. For a full desktop with water cooling. You don`t have to be a genious to understand that the R9 380 won`t cost that much and it will be cheaper than GTX 980.

But fine, I`ll not post anything more then if I don`t have anything to back it up

Can you PM your speculation/facts to me? I've been following the thread as a lurker and still interested. I'll take it and if it's wrong no big deal either way. Certainly won't be the first time I've read something wrong on the forums.