[BitsAndChips]390X ready for launch - AMD ironing out drivers - Computex launch

[krumme]

Who gives if we are cheated. Its just an extra laugh. Its just gpu and we are manipulated all day no matter what.
Chill out. Let the stories keep comming- we are having a good time, and thats a fact

 

[.vodka]

Leaks are leaks. They will be proven right or wrong in due time, probably tomorrow.

Keep them coming, they're better than everything we've had to speculate on for a while so far.

 

[Kippa]

Some people are saying that the 390X has to beat the Titan. I'm just curious, if the 390X underperforms against the Titan by say 10% or even slightly more, but is a few hundred dollars cheaper would you get it? I probably would. Don't get me wrong the Titan X is a great card but even with that performance the huge cost of the thing comes in to play.

 

[Noctifer616]

Some people are saying that the 390X has to beat the Titan. I'm just curious, if the 390X underperforms against the Titan by say 10% or even slightly more, but is a few hundred dollars cheaper would you get it? I probably would. Don't get me wrong the Titan X is a great card but even with that performance the huge cost of the thing comes in to play.

I guess there is more to consider than just price and performance. If the 390X has good cooling and can OC well, it might be a better pick even if the price is very close despite the 10% worse performance.

 

[DiogoDX]

Leaks are leaks. They will be proven right or wrong in due time, probably tomorrow.

Keep them coming, they're better than everything we've had to speculate on for a while so far.

I remember that no one believed in the sushiwarrior until the lauch of 290X.

Keep the leaks and the launch will prove if he had good inside info or not.

 

[2is]

Some people are saying that the 390X has to beat the Titan. I'm just curious, if the 390X underperforms against the Titan by say 10% or even slightly more, but is a few hundred dollars cheaper would you get it? I probably would. Don't get me wrong the Titan X is a great card but even with that performance the huge cost of the thing comes in to play.

It would depend on exactly how much lower performing it is and exactly how much cheaper it will be. There's just a small window before you start encroaching on GTX 980 turf

 

[ocre]

I believe Cloudfire is just relaying info he has been told.

But this "source" is just someone trying to get attention. Why would they leak all this information to some random guy he met on the Internet.

There are too many holes and it makes no sense. A person who knows so much about unreleased AMD cards also knows about unreleased nvidia cards?

And that is where I draw the line. Nvidia has been keeping their launches very close to their chest. There is no way this guy knows the price of a supposed 960ti because nvidia doesn't set the final price to the very last minute. Reviewers do not know the price until the very last minute. This is their strategy and has been.

I will admit, his "info" is starting to excite me. I think the GPU market needs a total shake up. Man that would be so great. But now we have to extreme outcomes to pick from. I just hope the way awesome one doesn't backfire. I think there are just way to many that want to believe, myself included.

We are ready to accept, way to eager.

 

[crashtech]

Another month, right? I think this is the year I go to 4K, maybe. Let's see how these new AMD cards do.

 

[3DVagabond]

Someone who worked for MSI, Gigabyte, or Asus would have equal knowledge from both brands. Just for example.

 

[Silverforce11]

Hell does amd even know what the prices is when they launch?

As i recall both amd and nv ajust list prices prices right to the day of reviews.
Nv normally set price a little to low as i remember. Smart move. Amd often seems to do the oposite and have to ajust down - 5850 gen an exception. But imo knowing retail list prices now before any reaction of nv makes no sense. Smoke and mirrors...

Prices are known well in advance of launch because AIBs will have to prepare custom models and that takes time to pass QA & build volume ready for shipping.

In this case, AIBs will know the performance, as well AMD (obviously), they all know where the chips fall so to speak in relation to the competition SKUs.

As I said earlier, a 370X with ~780 performance cannot go for above $249 else its a non-starter against the ~$300 970 (especially with 2 AAA games, TW3 & Batman). AMD has to price it aggressively for it to sell well, $229 is the perfect sweetspot. I just hope they are profitable selling cutting edge GPUs with HBM that cheap.

370 with ~280X performance at $179 is also a great deal, considering the much reduced power usage. It should sell very well for the low-power gamer.

Also, I wonder if the 370X has 4GB HBM or just 2? 2GB vram won't cut it for that level of performance, so it is a concern.

 

[eRacer]

Time to reveal price of 3 upcoming cards:

R9 370; $179
GTX 960Ti: $249
R9 370X: $229

Looks completely unsurprising if the 370/370X happen to be Tonga-based or Tonga-like cards. Right now the 7950/7970/280/280X/285 already fall in that price range. The 960 Ti pricing fits neatly between the GTX 960 (which still needs a bit of a price cut) and GTX 970.

 

[maddie]

Looks completely unsurprising if the 370/370X happen to be Tonga-based or Tonga-like cards. Right now the 7950/7970/280/280X/285 already fall in that price range. The 960 Ti pricing fits neatly between the GTX 960 (which still needs a bit of a price cut) and GTX 970.

Two years to go from $649 to $229. Pretty good as I see it.

 

[jpiniero]

Looks completely unsurprising if the 370/370X happen to be Tonga-based or Tonga-like cards. Right now the 7950/7970/280/280X/285 already fall in that price range. The 960 Ti pricing fits neatly between the GTX 960 (which still needs a bit of a price cut) and GTX 970.

Well Tonga with HBM?

It would look like this:

370: 1792 cores
370X: 2048 cores
380: 2560 cores
380X: 2816 cores
390: 2 x 1792 cores
390X: 2 x 2048 cores

 

[Azix]

Well Tonga with HBM?

It would look like this:

370: 1792 cores
370X: 2048 cores
380: 2560 cores
380X: 2816 cores
390: 2 x 1792 cores
390X: 2 x 2048 cores

why on earth

 

[JDG1980]

390: 2 x 1792 cores
390X: 2 x 2048 cores

Still banging this drum? Not gonna happen. Not a single remotely credible source has ever claimed that Fiji is a dual-GPU card. It wouldn't make any sense to release a new flagship worse than the existing flagship. The only reason anyone ever considered this possibility is because of a misinterpretation of a leaked package diagram.

 

[chimaxi83]

Where'd this dual GPU flagship stupidity come from? Rumor of a rumor from a "credible source" that can't be named? Certain forum posters repeating it into reality? Trash clickbait website?

 

[maddie]

Still banging this drum? Not gonna happen. Not a single remotely credible source has ever claimed that Fiji is a dual-GPU card. It wouldn't make any sense to release a new flagship worse than the existing flagship. The only reason anyone ever considered this possibility is because of a misinterpretation of a leaked package diagram.

I think he's saying, two die but 1 gpu from an operational viewpoint. Not the usual dual gpu. Someone earlier in the thread made that theory.

If that's what a few claim, then why not 2 x 2560 and 2 x 2816 or 4 x 1792 etc and just blow past the 300 watt level?
I'm not believing this.

 

[3DVagabond]

If AMD had this tech they'd put 2 Hawaii chips together.

 

[destrekor]

I think he's saying, two die but 1 gpu from an operational viewpoint. Not the usual dual gpu. Someone earlier in the thread made that theory.

If that's what a few claim, then why not 2 x 2560 and 2 x 2816 or 4 x 1792 etc and just blow past the 300 watt level?
I'm not believing this.

Which still makes zero sense. It's not like the early dual-core days where one approach was literally two single-core die; GPUs handle data in such a different way, that it makes no sense to put two dies on one chip when it could be handled with one.

The only benefit you get is perhaps better wafer efficiency, but it comes at a cost of needless work interweaving the dies to operate without the traditional multi-GPU trappings. I can't see any GPU manufacturer determining that is the ideal production route.


I think it's entirely just click-bait trash based on some badly misinterpreted (that's giving someone a fair light) slides which showed "multi controller" for two HBM stacks.

I think the only implication of any "multi controller" array for HBM is for APU, where it is not uncommon to see a multi-die setup. Add in HBM and the interposer, you could take the current Intel mobile SOC configuration of separate CPU and GPU dies on the same package, and add shared HBM with both dies having controllers for the memory. Just think, an APU with 2GB or 4GB of HBM on board, no subsystems to work through, and yet there is still the additional typical system memory configuration for regular operations. That's a dedicated APU memory subsystem, perhaps with or without CPU access. Regardless of how minimal said APU is, that fast bandwidth can definitely provide real-world value.

 

[Silverforce11]

Looks completely unsurprising if the 370/370X happen to be Tonga-based or Tonga-like cards. Right now the 7950/7970/280/280X/285 already fall in that price range. The 960 Ti pricing fits neatly between the GTX 960 (which still needs a bit of a price cut) and GTX 970.

I think if you accept that these chips are with HBM, it's time to stop calling them Tonga or Tonga-like or whatever other re-badge-like terminology.

It's an entirely new chip with a new memory subsystem to take advantage of low latency & bandwidth on HBM.

If the 370/X performance & power usage is true, it's a massive leap in perf & efficiency, even bigger than the Kepler -> Maxwell leap. That's also what AMD needs to pull off to start their recovery.

 

[alcoholbob]

CLCs are pretty loud though compared to Nvidia's NVTTM cooler at least, especially at idle. Do you want a card that's as loud as the gaming profile on a typical stock cooler? A water pump can cause your entire case to resonate. If the 390X is only slightly faster than the Titan X alot of people are not going to bother. I mean the 295X2 has been as low as $500-range and people still don't want to touch it with 10 foot pole and Titan Xs are sold out still.

 

[2is]

CLCs are pretty loud though compared to Nvidia's NVTTM cooler at least, especially at idle. Do you want a card that's as loud as the gaming profile on a typical stock cooler? A water pump can cause your entire case to resonate. If the 390X is only slightly faster than the Titan X alot of people are not going to bother. I mean the 295X2 has been as low as $500-range and people still don't want to touch it with 10 foot pole and Titan Xs are sold out still.

Titan X isn't a dual GPU card and I think this has FAR more to do with the fact that it's a dual GPU card than the fact it's water cooled.

 

[jji7skyline]

Titan X isn't a dual GPU card and I think this has FAR more to do with the fact that it's a dual GPU card than the fact it's water cooled.

I personally would never buy a dual GPU card because single GPU performance is most important to me.

 

[eRacer]

I think if you accept that these chips are with HBM, it's time to stop calling them Tonga or Tonga-like or whatever other re-badge-like terminology.

It's an entirely new chip with a new memory subsystem to take advantage of low latency & bandwidth on HBM.

If the 370/X performance & power usage is true, it's a massive leap in perf & efficiency, even bigger than the Kepler -> Maxwell leap. That's also what AMD needs to pull off to start their recovery.

If the HBM rumor is incorrect it could very well be Tonga-based. But let's assume it does have HBM. Obviously it isn't a rebadge in that case (unless Tonga happened to have unused HBM capabilities to begin with). But if the core count and other non-memory specs are basically identical to Tonga (either 285 and/or "full Tonga"), and performance/core at a given clock speed between the two are similar, I don't see a problem calling it Tonga-like when talking about performance or performance/$.

Right now the 280X is not that far behind the GTX 780. If AMD did nothing to "full Tonga" other than switch to HBM and clock it like a 280X, it would have near GTX 780 performance at a reasonable TDP (although likely higher than 140W).

 

[Silverforce11]

Right now the 280X is not that far behind the GTX 780. If AMD did nothing to "full Tonga" other than switch to HBM and clock it like a 280X, it would have near GTX 780 performance at a reasonable TDP (although likely higher than 140W).

Nope. Because 280X, 7970Ghz & 285 (esp with Tonga's compression) architecture isn't bandwidth starved. Very few games even show scaling with vram OC.

So if its nothing but full Tonga with HBM, it would still be a turd.

The only way they are getting 780 class performance on a low end 370X part is with major uarch changes.

This would put the 380X as faster than the 980, at probably 180W which is spot on for the "Captain Jack" leak many months ago.