bit-tech.net reveals Ivy Bridge details

[lehtv]

I have to disagree. My 760 would do 4.3Ghz on a Maximus III and was a pretty amazing chip for the money.

And how does this prove that 2500K was not a bigger increase over 760, than what Ivy Bridge will be over 2500K?

 

[SickBeast]

Ivy Bridge to be the first CPUs to hit 5GHz without putting the CPU at risk?

Sounds like an exciting CPU.

The early indications are that Bulldozer will hit 5ghz easily.

 

[Aikouka]

If Ivy Bridge (I keep wanting to call it Ivory Bridge...) gives me about an 8-10 FPS increase in my CPU-intensive games (SC2, etc), then I'll probably build a new machine around it.

I've kind of grown tired of swapping motherboards and stuff, and I just build new machines anymore. Computers have become fairly cheap, so it's not too bad, and it gives you a ready-to-use spare!

If Ivy Bridge doesn't provide the performance or any other desire to upgrade, I'll probably just grab a new video card. Those are easy enough to swap that I don't mind doing that.

 

[lehtv]

I don't really see how it's easier to build a whole new PC than swap out a mobo

 

[SickBeast]

I don't really see how it's easier to build a whole new PC than swap out a mobo

Ripping out the mobo is a PITA. It's way easier to do a new build.

The best is a drop-in CPU upgrade. I hate all these new sockets lately. I'm pretty sure I had 3 different Socket A CPUs back in the day.

 

[lehtv]

Ripping out the mobo is a PITA. It's way easier to do a new build.

Building a whole PC is easily more PITA. Replacing the mobo is just this: take out expansion cards, unplug cables, unscrew mobo, take it out. Install CPU&HSF, put new mobo in, tighten screws, put cables back on, done.

Whereas when building a new PC you have in addition: tons of sheit to unpack and install, a lot more screws to tighten, and cable routing :/

 

[greenhawk]

Building a whole PC is easily more PITA.

I know that a upgrade should be easier, but for the last few changes I have done to my computer, I am thinking it should have waited and just built a new computer.

point - Power supply was not up to the job for the new GPU, so removed it, and all it's cables running behind and around ect. Painful (and that was a semi-cableless designed one.

purchased a new v-raptor and WD black to replace a old raptor and 640 WD Blue (SSD in a separate bay). As I am using a 4-in-3 drive cooler, that unit needed to be removed before I could unscrew the drives being removed, then install the new ones,then re-inserted cooler into case, then re-attach all cables.

Purchased a new cpu cooler (over clock the q6600 before upgrading to ivy bridge). As the cooler has a rear plate, everything needed removing.

Biggest issue for me was being without the computer. Work and life leave, generally, an hour to do what I want to do. Spending most of that pulling appart and re-assembling a computer (and not having a computer at all if I get pulled away from it 1/2 way through for some reason) does get painful. For the HDD change over mentioned above, I had the parts sitting on the table and plugged in for 2 weeks before I had enough time to do the full down / rebuild.

The new/next computer I am thinking I will just buy everything new. At least them I can build it as I have time (and re-install needed software). Added advantage is that there should not be many left over pieces sitting around for me to find time to put them together into another computer to give away / make use of.

If you are time poor, upgrading can nearly be not worth the hassle than spending a $100 or so and just doing a full replacement.

 

[nyker96]

yes, i want this sexy beast when it comes out!

 

[StinkyPinky]

Well now that Bulldozer is a total dog my plan is to shift my 2500k over to my wifes pc and get some nice i7 IB CPU and sit on it for a few years.

 

[Davegod]

So, if I was thinking of investing in a 2500K with GA-Z68X for gaming in a couple of weeks, there's not much point waiting for anything? (I've not been keeping up lately)

FWIW I'm currently on a E8400 Core2Duo and keeping the ATI 6950. Not sure how current performance is, I'm likely to have more time for gaming soon and have a backlog of games to buy. Also, I am well due for a treat. But I like striking a sweet spot and would be annoyed if something in say January is much better.

 

[Vdubchaos]

So, if I was thinking of investing in a 2500K with GA-Z68X for gaming in a couple of weeks, there's not much point waiting for anything? (I've not been keeping up lately)

FWIW I'm currently on a E8400 Core2Duo and keeping the ATI 6950. Not sure how current performance is, I'm likely to have more time for gaming soon and have a backlog of games to buy. Also, I am well due for a treat. But I like striking a sweet spot and would be annoyed if something in say January is much better.

$20 bucks plus minus won't make a difference in CPU cost.

At this point, although Intel won't raise the prices...they CAN (based on BD benchmarks)

 

[Aikouka]

Building a whole PC is easily more PITA. Replacing the mobo is just this: take out expansion cards, unplug cables, unscrew mobo, take it out. Install CPU&HSF, put new mobo in, tighten screws, put cables back on, done.

Whereas when building a new PC you have in addition: tons of sheit to unpack and install, a lot more screws to tighten, and cable routing :/

I don't consider any sort of unpacking to be a big deal. The only thing that takes more than a few seconds to get out of the box is the case, and that's only if you got a really big one (full tower, etc).

As for the difficulty in removing things such as a motherboard, it all depends on your case and other extraneous things such as your cooler. Generally, I also don't like the fact that I'm without a desktop PC while doing it.

Plus, you're forgetting the biggest benefit of all.... Getting all of those PC parts makes it (what I call) a "Geek's Christmas". Instead of wrapping paper, we get NewEgg boxes. :awe:

 

[Davegod]

$20 bucks plus minus won't make a difference in CPU cost.

At this point, although Intel won't raise the prices...they CAN (based on BD benchmarks)

Sorry I should have been clearer that I was thinking about a performance increase, or maybe more likely significant motherboard feature improvements, a little down the line.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Go with Z68 vs P or H68 and you are set

Features you want is really your call/based on your needs

 

[ultimatebob]

Knowing Intel, it will be delivered on schedule and performing appropriately.

As much as I used to be an AMD fan, I'm tired of supporting a company that just doesnt deliver.

Not to defend AMD, but not only was Intel's Sandy Bridge release delayed, but the initial shipment of system boards that supported it needed to be recalled.

 

[Red Storm]

Well now that Bulldozer is a total dog my plan is to shift my 2500k over to my wifes pc and get some nice i7 IB CPU and sit on it for a few years.

I don't get it, is that 2500K running at 4.4GHz not doing a good job?

 

[lehtv]

Plus, you're forgetting the biggest benefit of all.... Getting all of those PC parts makes it (what I call) a "Geek's Christmas". Instead of wrapping paper, we get NewEgg boxes. :awe:

Haha that's a good point

 

[IntelUser2000]

Not to defend AMD, but not only was Intel's Sandy Bridge release delayed, but the initial shipment of system boards that supported it needed to be recalled.

The recall part is true, everyone knows that, the former is not. The perception of "delay" is based on the fact everyone somehow expected it at Q4, when it came in January instead. Early January too.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Pollack's rule.

Changes early on are substantial. Later on, not so much.

Ah, the evil twin of Moore's Law that gets kept in the basement.

I will say, the next upgrade for me will be Ivy in its 2600K-type variant.

 

[lehtv]

^ I hope that's for the E8600 rig, not the 2500K rig :E

 

[Nemesis 1]

Not only that, but the initial Sandy Bridge motherboards were defective. D:

SB wasn't late. Period . Ya I found the SB M/B thing amusing . Buy a new mother board with new feature and not use it . PCI-E III 6gb. These ports were not affected. Buying the high end in the mid power range and not using the PCI-e III ports I found beyond amusing.

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

I am wondering if Ivy will either introduce an affordable six-core, or reduce the 3930K enough to warrant an upgrade. One of those would be an awesome upgrade.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ivy Bridge's delay IIRC is more from intel being "nice" to it's wholesale customers after Sandy Bridge's bad start with the bad chipsets.

SB-E though, I can not remember any reason other than "because". That is besides it's motherboard's getting hacked and hacked in regards to features so intel can make the release target of 2011 (in line with the pin counts). I still feel that the release is more of a paper release than a product release. Time will tell.

Not true . I said it when we got the news of the delay . Its here. That if IVB was delayed it had nothing to do with the chipset problem but that intel was having teething problems with 22nm . Intel recently confirmed that yields are NOT up to their ramping standards. So another delay is possiable and other bad things may occur also . We just wait and see.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ivy Bridge is just a die shrink. Sandy Bridge was a completely new architecture. Of course IB won't have as much impact.

You can't look at cpus in this manner . IF Intel was correct that at the same clock speed there is a 50% drop in power usage its a big deal . It means higher O/C due to coolar running at those clocks . Intel said these transisters are faster than the 32nm . That = higher OCs. Intel has stated publicly that They did make changes to the core II and that doesn't mean they told us everthing . I always use 20% as a number for intel .

AT says SB had 15% ipc improvement others here say 10% but other reviews say its 25% IPC improvement . If you view all game benchmarks as seperate bench mark than you can have a wider range of IPC improvements . Like I said We got from conroe to the SB with only 10% IPC improvements than something is wrong with the numbers

 

[IntelUser2000]

Not true . I said it when we got the news of the delay . Its here. That if IVB was delayed it had nothing to do with the chipset problem but that intel was having teething problems with 22nm . Intel recently confirmed that yields are NOT up to their ramping standards. So another delay is possiable and other bad things may occur also . We just wait and see.

You are surprisingly negative to 22nm considering where your bias is. 2 months isn't really a "teething" delay.