Birth control, Anyone had any issues?

[dug777]

Originally posted by: BriGy86

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: BriGy86
is the morning after pill available nation wide with out a perscription yet?

and how much is it

the time window is 72 hours right?

It is in Aus, has been as long as i've been interested (we've had to use it maybe three times back when we were using frangers & they burst...)...

i know if is available with out perscription here it was only introduced recently

if its safe i don't get why they don't give it to you over the counter

lets say you run into problems fri night, doctors offices aren't open on the weekend, so you have to wait till mon, by that time it may be too late

there's no doubt it's safe (well, Moab will almost certainly have hear of dozens of people who died after taking it)...

it's just the moral issue i suspect that has held you back (and that movement still exists here)...

 

[pcman83]

What can antiboitics do to it?

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: pcman83

Originally posted by: BriGy86

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: BriGy86
is the morning after pill available nation wide with out a perscription yet?

and how much is it

the time window is 72 hours right?

It is in Aus, has been as long as i've been interested (we've had to use it maybe three times back when we were using frangers & they burst...)...

i know if is available with out perscription here it was only introduced recently

if its safe i don't get why they don't give it to you over the counter

lets say you run into problems fri night, doctors offices aren't open on the weekend, so you have to wait till mon, by that time it may be too late

A lot of ER's offer it. Unless the doctor doesnt believe in it which I believe is total bullshit.

well you shouldn't be helping the evil fornicators anyway

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: BriGy86

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: BriGy86
is the morning after pill available nation wide with out a perscription yet?

and how much is it

the time window is 72 hours right?

It is in Aus, has been as long as i've been interested (we've had to use it maybe three times back when we were using frangers & they burst...)...

i know if is available with out perscription here it was only introduced recently

if its safe i don't get why they don't give it to you over the counter

lets say you run into problems fri night, doctors offices aren't open on the weekend, so you have to wait till mon, by that time it may be too late

there's no doubt it's safe (well, Moab will almost certainly have hear of dozens of people who died after taking it)...

it's just the moral issue i suspect that has held you back (and that movement still exists here)...

here's an idea for those people, if they think its immoral, they shouldn't take it

why should people dictate what others willingly do to them selves and it has no harm to others
(im not argueing, im just giving an opinion)

 

[AdamSnow]

Originally posted by: dug777
Bigger boobies, less sex.

No complaints really, not having to wear frangers is a godsend

Frangers?

Nice man...

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: dug777
And to the grapefruit idiot, stfu already.

actually....

Estrogen in the form of estradiol is affected by grapefruit. This means a woman taking birth control pills or hormone replacement therapy might have higher levels of estrogen circulating in her blood stream if she also consumes grapefruit. This could lead to side effects
such as nausea or breast tenderness. Lifetime exposure to high levels of estrogen is associated with an increased risk of developing breast cancer.

Sounds weird, and i'm not a medical doctor so I wouldn't realy know if there is any solid research behind this claim, but I've heard it before.

Like i said above, i'll believe it when it's actually on the packet. Liability issues mean that if it is actually a serious issue, it would be there.

You trust drug companies a lot more than I do!

i trust their self-interest in preventing massive lawsuits

This might be logical reasoning if drug companies had a better track record.
vioxx, bextra, naproxin...



Of course the tobacco industry provides plenty of examples of how companies may be more than willing to deny the existance of health risks despite legal liability...



All I'm saying is that maybe there is something to the grapefruit / estrogen connection, and that you really can't rely on the drug company to tell inform you of all of the negative side effects of their products.

 

[AdamSnow]

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Pull out. Just because she's on the pill doesn't mean you can nut.

:roll:

yes. yes it does.

good luck with those kids.

What the heck do you think BIRTH CONTROL means?

 

[Moab]

Originally posted by: dug777
i see you are a firm believer in the rumour mill? Wear a tin hat too? Vote for Nader?

Rumor mill thats been confirmed by doctors and studies all over the place.

J&J is getting sued because of the patch and a death.

Some rumor mill..

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: dug777
And to the grapefruit idiot, stfu already.

actually....

Estrogen in the form of estradiol is affected by grapefruit. This means a woman taking birth control pills or hormone replacement therapy might have higher levels of estrogen circulating in her blood stream if she also consumes grapefruit. This could lead to side effects
such as nausea or breast tenderness. Lifetime exposure to high levels of estrogen is associated with an increased risk of developing breast cancer.

Sounds weird, and i'm not a medical doctor so I wouldn't realy know if there is any solid research behind this claim, but I've heard it before.

Like i said above, i'll believe it when it's actually on the packet. Liability issues mean that if it is actually a serious issue, it would be there.

You trust drug companies a lot more than I do!

i trust their self-interest in preventing massive lawsuits

This might be logical reasoning if drug companies had a better track record.
vioxx, bextra, naproxin...



Of course the tobacco industry provides plenty of examples of how companies may be more than willing to deny the existance of health risks despite legal liability...



All I'm saying is that maybe there is something to the grapefruit / estrogen connection, and that you really can't rely on the drug company to tell inform you of all of the negative side effects of their products.

while i agree, there are/have been millions of women drinking grapefruit juice and taking the pill who don't appear to have suffered any newsworthy extra risk...

Plus the fact that MOST people don't have grapefruit juice very often, i can't remember the last time i drank any...i guess this might be an issue of you were on a grapefruit diet, but strangely enough, while i've seen those reccomended, i've never seen a warning regarding that & the pill...

It seems to me like tinhat-ism, but there you go...

 

[Jikininki]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Pull out. Just because she's on the pill doesn't mean you can nut.

:roll:

yes. yes it does.

good luck with those kids.

i don't know ANYONE who ever got preggo on the pill, family, friends, no one...

It's like 99.7% effective.

So stop spreading FUD.

I actually know someone who got pregnant while on the pill AND the guy pulled out.

So nothing is %100.

I actually went for like 2 years w/my current GF w/out the pill and no condom and just pulled out, then there was a scare. since then i've been wrapping up. it really just is nto worth the risk. i don't know why I was so stupid for those 2 years.

Did she miss a dose? Did she take them at the same time everyday? Was she on antibiotics? So you know someone who got pregnant while on the pill... that does not tell us much.

If the girls follows the directions, the pill is very effective. Its not 100%, nothing but masterbation is. But if you are well informed and educated its a great alternative to condoms.

My cousin got pregnant while on the patch. I have no idea how you can eff that up considering the advertisements and commericals say "you don't need to remember every single day, like the pill..so it's not as easy to forget".

I didn't find out details b/c it was weird enough with her telling me she was pregnant, I didn't want to ask her all the details about her sex life. I think she might not have been using it correctly, or even the once a week change is still too much for her to remember. (unfortunately, she's not the brightest crayon in the box, so you really can't put anything past her). Oh wells..hopefully she learns from this incident.

 

[jEnus]

I've nutted the now wife since we first met 3 years ago. No baby here.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: jEnus
I've nutted the now wife since we first met 3 years ago. No baby here.

indeed, a vast number of teh women in the western world are on the pill, bang without condoms, and the only unplanned pregnancies you hear about are in the 'i'm an attention whore/retard' section of Cleo/Cosmo...

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Pull out. Just because she's on the pill doesn't mean you can nut.

Nomination for "Clueless Assclown Of The Year 2006".

 

[Scarpozzi]

Ohh yeah...I forgot to say. A good friend of mine's girlfriend of 2 years was taking BC. She was a nurse....one day she walked into the hospital and dropped dead in the lobby. Blood clot in her leg killed her. She was a smoker and I was dancing with her in a club the week before it happened. She was 23. My friend was so out of it when he heard the news that he ran his truck into a metal pole at the drivethru ATM. It just goes to show that BC may be effective, but there are still significant risks.

 

[acemcmac]

I'd just highly reccomend that she not take the pill

My GF has used the patch and later the ring the for a while now and I like them because they're harder to fvck up.

 

[Jikininki]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Ohh yeah...I forgot to say. A good friend of mine's girlfriend of 2 years was taking BC. She was a nurse....one day she walked into the hospital and dropped dead in the lobby. Blood clot in her leg killed her. She was a smoker and I was dancing with her in a club the week before it happened. She was 23. My friend was so out of it when he heard the news that he ran his truck into a metal pole at the drivethru ATM. It just goes to show that BC may be effective, but there are still significant risks.

Smoking increases the risks significantly, no? that's waht all the commercials say.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Ohh yeah...I forgot to say. A good friend of mine's girlfriend of 2 years was taking BC. She was a nurse....one day she walked into the hospital and dropped dead in the lobby. Blood clot in her leg killed her. She was a smoker and I was dancing with her in a club the week before it happened. She was 23. My friend was so out of it when he heard the news that he ran his truck into a metal pole at the drivethru ATM. It just goes to show that BC may be effective, but there are still significant risks.

while i feel for them, the link to the pill is so tenuous there that it's laughable. People can get clots for many, many reasons...

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: dug777
And to the grapefruit idiot, stfu already.

actually....

Estrogen in the form of estradiol is affected by grapefruit. This means a woman taking birth control pills or hormone replacement therapy might have higher levels of estrogen circulating in her blood stream if she also consumes grapefruit. This could lead to side effects
such as nausea or breast tenderness. Lifetime exposure to high levels of estrogen is associated with an increased risk of developing breast cancer.

Sounds weird, and i'm not a medical doctor so I wouldn't realy know if there is any solid research behind this claim, but I've heard it before.

Like i said above, i'll believe it when it's actually on the packet. Liability issues mean that if it is actually a serious issue, it would be there.

You trust drug companies a lot more than I do!

i trust their self-interest in preventing massive lawsuits

This might be logical reasoning if drug companies had a better track record.
vioxx, bextra, naproxin...



Of course the tobacco industry provides plenty of examples of how companies may be more than willing to deny the existance of health risks despite legal liability...



All I'm saying is that maybe there is something to the grapefruit / estrogen connection, and that you really can't rely on the drug company to tell inform you of all of the negative side effects of their products.

while i agree, there are/have been millions of women drinking grapefruit juice and taking the pill who don't appear to have suffered any newsworthy extra risk...

Plus the fact that MOST people don't have grapefruit juice very often, i can't remember the last time i drank any...i guess this might be an issue of you were on a grapefruit diet, but strangely enough, while i've seen those reccomended, i've never seen a warning regarding that & the pill...

It seems to me like tinhat-ism, but there you go...

There are certain drugs that react to grapefruit juice....some quite adversely(RDS, death etc) However IIRC I've never heard of that with BC pills/patch/ring, but on that note I'm gonna pull up Micromedex and find out for sure.

 

[Saint Nick]

if you are that nervous, just use a condom too. no harm in it.

EDIT:

i read somewhere that if you use a condom perfectly, there is still a 3% chance that a woman could become pregnant. if its used perfectly... how is there still a chance?

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Ohh yeah...I forgot to say. A good friend of mine's girlfriend of 2 years was taking BC. She was a nurse....one day she walked into the hospital and dropped dead in the lobby. Blood clot in her leg killed her. She was a smoker and I was dancing with her in a club the week before it happened. She was 23. My friend was so out of it when he heard the news that he ran his truck into a metal pole at the drivethru ATM. It just goes to show that BC may be effective, but there are still significant risks.

while i feel for them, the link to the pill is so tenuous there that it's laughable. People can get clots for many, many reasons...

And dug, BC pills + smoking =increased risk of DVT(clot) and Pulmonary Embolism(when clot dislodges and gets stuck in your lung)

 

[BrianH1]

GF has been on the pill for 3 years. No condom, just pill and I never pull out. No problems whatsoever.


There are three kind of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.~Mark Twain

 

[TraumaRN]

Quoted from Micromedex so this argument is settled concerning both grapefruit juice and clots + smoking.

ESTROGENS
CAUTIONS
DRUG INTERACTIONS
DRUG-FOOD COMBINATIONS
C) Grapefruit Juice
1) Interaction Effect: increased plasma concentrations of estrogens
2) Summary: Inhibitors of cytochrome P450 3A4, such as grapefruit juice, may increase plasma concentrations of estrogens and may result in side effects of estrogen (Prod Info ClimaraPro(TM), 2003). Concomitant grapefruit juice intake with ethinyl estradiol increased serum concentrations of estrone and ethinyl estradiol. However, the clinical significance of this interaction is unclear (Schubert et al, 1994; Weber et al, 1996).
3) Severity: moderate
4) Onset: rapid
5) Substantiation: probable
6) Clinical Management: Monitor for signs and symptoms of increased estrogen plasma concentrations such as hypertension, depression, headache, thromboembolism, fluid retention, abdominal cramps, bloating, and weight gain.
7) Probable Mechanism: inhibition of cytochrome P450 3A4-mediated estrogen metabolism of grapefruit juice
8) Literature Reports
a) Estrone plasma level was increased when 17,beta-estradiol was taken concomitantly with grapefruit juice. Eight subjects who had bilateral ovariectomy was included in this two-way single dose randomized crossover study. There were 2 crossover periods each lasting 8 days and separated by a 1-week washout period. The study drug was 17,beta-estradiol micronized tablets, in Trisekvens(R)-Novo Nordisk taken as a single dose of 2 mg with 200 mL of either grapefruit juice (Old South, Lykes Paso Packing Co., Florida; 100 mL frozen juice plus 100 mL water; containing 450 mcg/mL naringenin) or placebo juice (Gatorade without any flavonoids). No adverse events were reported. Plasma levels of 17,beta-estradiol was not significantly different between the two groups. However, the area under the concentration time curve from 0 to forty-eight hours (AUC,0-48) and AUC,0-192 for estrone (an active estrogen and a metabolic product of 17,beta-estradiol) was significantly increased (26.08 nmol-h/L versus 22.51 nmol-h/L, p=0.050 and 35.12 nmol-h/L versus 27.56 nmol-h/L, p=0.015, respectively), indicating a metabolic step after estrone may be inhibited. The maximal concentration (Cmax) and AUC,0-192 of combined 17,beta-estradiol plus estrone was significantly increased (1.3 nmol/L versus 1.12 nmol/L, p=0.038 and 39.58 nmol-h/L versus 31.41 nmol-h/L, p=0.036, respectively). The effect of grapefruit juice in this study was relatively small and may be of minimal clinical significance (Schubert et al, 1994).
b) Concomitant intake of grapefruit juice raised 17,alpha-ethinyl estradiol serum concentrations. Thirteen healthy females participated in this two-way randomized crossover study in Germany. There was 2 study days separated by the woman's menstrual cycle. At day 4 +/- 1 of the menstrual cycle, subjects received 100 mL of either herbal tea or grapefruit juice (with 887 mg/mL naringin) on an empty stomach. Half an hour later the women took 0.025 mg of 17,alpha-ethinylestradiol together with 100 mL of the corresponding fluids. Two hundred milliliters of the corresponding fluids were also taken every 3 hours up to 4 times on the day of testing. The mean Cmax increased by 137% (from 85 pg/mL to 117 pg/mL, p = 0.009). The AUC,0-8 was significantly higher with grapefruit juice (596 pg-h/mL versus 457 pg-h/mL, p=0.19). The clinical significance of this interaction remains to be determined (Weber et al, 1996).
3.5.4 Drug-Tobacco Combinations
A) Tobacco
1) Interaction Effect: an increased risk of cardiovascular disease
2) Summary: The use of combination contraceptives with tobacco smoking (more than 15 cigarettes daily) may increase the risk of cardiovascular adverse effects in persons older than 35 years (Frederiksen & Ravenholt, 1970; Crawford et al, 1981). The use of combination contraceptives and tobacco smoking may significantly increase the risk of myocardial infarction, subarachnoid hemorrhage, venous thromboembolism, and other strokes (Petitti et al, 1979; Shapiro et al, 1979; Stadel, 1981a; Stadel, 1981).
3) Severity: minor
4) Onset: delayed
5) Substantiation: theoretical
6) Clinical Management: Combination contraceptive users should be cautioned regarding the dangers of tobacco smoking and should be advised to discontinue smoking.
7) Probable Mechanism: unknown

 

[Moab]

Originally posted by: dug777
there's no doubt it's safe (well, Moab will almost certainly have hear of dozens of people who died after taking it)...

it's just the moral issue i suspect that has held you back (and that movement still exists here)...

Morning after pill killing people world wide.

Take at your own risk, but now you know so have no right to complain when you die, not like you could complain, but if you could, you knew about it.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: jndietz
if you are that nervous, just use a condom too. no harm in it.

EDIT:

i read somewhere that if you use a condom perfectly, there is still a 3% chance that a woman could become pregnant. if its used perfectly... how is there still a chance?

teh burst

we used the morning after (over the counter here for a long time) about three times with frangers...

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Moab

Originally posted by: dug777
there's no doubt it's safe (well, Moab will almost certainly have hear of dozens of people who died after taking it)...

it's just the moral issue i suspect that has held you back (and that movement still exists here)...

Morning after pill killing people world wide.

Take at your own risk, but now you know so have no right to complain when you die, not like you could complain, but if you could, you knew about it.

clearly the Western Australian government considers it safe, as do all the other states in Australia iirc, and we're hardly alone