You may be right (as I have only discovered this), but I didn't know that this argument was already put in a structured form until you mentioned Pascal's wager!
True. But is there any other way to salvation? The "correct" god is among these very gods which this argument invites you to believe in. There are many, of course. Chances of picking the right one out are slim. But you, as a human being, have the gift of logic and reason to make wise decisions and narrow down the possibilities. Use it.
shilala
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I'm missing the connection?
Cancer is a simple mutation that (unfortunately) can replicate unchecked in it's new environment.
Cancer, in and of itself, is not passed on through the genes. The body's propensity to be lacking of certain proteins or to actually have certain proteins that cause or prevent the body from attacking a random mutation is passed on.
(What a fvcked up sentence)
It's an odds game.
Even if you have a great propensity for cancer, it doesn't mean it will happen. You may have a very low propensity and get cancer. There's 11tybeelion things that can stimulate mutation. There's 11tybeelion protein strings/compounds in your body waiting to destroy the resultant mutation.
Getting cancer boils down to plain shyt luck.
Prevention is impossible (and will likely remain that way). A cure is very possible. A cure for every type of cancer? Improbable, but it'll happen in time.
Originally posted by: kobymu
Originally posted by: Promethply
Our progenies will carry on our genes, and as such, in a sense, we will live forever
Our genes are not US,Our progenies are not US
us is our thought/memories/personalities.
without them we are just animal that continue to multiply (and evolve) and dont live on in our "progenies".
Our progenies are not a continuns of us but just "other" with some of there genes identical to ours
But of course -- doesn't everyone knows that already? Every living organisms have a set of genes that's uniquely defines it, unless they are identical twins or the product of asexual reproduction, such as in bacteria, for example.
Every sexual reproduction involves exchange of genetic material between chromosomes (crossover) ensuring that our offspring will never be exactly like us.
I stated that "in a sense, we will live forever", meaning that some of our genes will be carried over by our offspring.
You have a great capacity for stating the obvious.
Wow. Thanks for interpreting my entire post as the "basis" of my faith. I was simply trying to appeal to the sense of logic and reason of the original poster. I think the occasion really calls for me to use, for the the first time, the emoticon: :disgust:
some cancer (cell not tumor) hit the limit of cell division before they grow to much for the rest of the system to recognize that something is wrong.
cell division limit is one of the mechanism that help reduce cancer cell to evolve to cancer tumor(cancer always start at the cellular level).
if that is unclear or something, post and i'll explain
cell division limit is one of the mechanism that help reduce cancer cell to evolve to cancer tumor(cancer always start at the cellular level).
if that is unclear or something, post and i'll explain
Gibsons
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Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
You may be right (as I have only discovered this), but I didn't know that this argument was already put in a structured form until you mentioned Pascal's wager!
True. But is there any other way to salvation? The "correct" god is among these very gods which this argument invites you to believe in. There are many, of course. Chances of picking the right one out are slim. But you, as a human being, have the gift of logic and reason to make wise decisions and narrow down the possibilities. Use it.
Salvation? Can you prove salvation exists?
More assumptions. Even if there is a correct god (that's an assumption), how do we know that we even know it's among the ones we know about? Perhaps the slime beings of Bolthazad 4 are correct in worshiping Crumulon of the Great Flagella, and all of ours are wrong. And finally, maybe our supposed god doesn't give a crap if we believe in him or worship him.
All irrelevant anyway, as the Great Blue Unicorn from the Dark Side of the Moon is the One True God.
Same as asking if God exists. Because if He exists, then salvation exists. That's not even what we are talking about. My point, still being, what if it does exist, what then? Where do you go?
All good points. The real question remains: what security do you have from hell, if it exists? I believe in God, the chances of whose existence are, say 1 in a million, according to an atheist. That's still a chance, albeit a very small one. What chance/hope do you have of not meeting eternal damnation? None.
By "you", I generally mean an atheist, not necessarily you, Gibsons. I don't know if you are one.
atheists believe that there is no god. agnostic are the ones who say they will believe in god if proof is discovered.
Gibsons
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I think that doesn't constitute belief or faith, but rather hedging a bet. Perhaps that's sufficient reason for damnation also?
You assume the existence of a god, an afterlife, a judgement, to know the basis of that judgement and the consequences of said judgement. Six assumptions all piled on top of each other. But your only basis for distinguishing between the possibilities of any of them is some oddsmaking in order to max out your chances for playing harps in the clouds.
fwiw, this argument has been done to death by people much better at it than you or me. I've probably heard every argument you're going to make, you can find any counter-argument I make out there somewhere too.
BeauJangles
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This isn't true. If consciousness is nothing more than electrical charges shifting across the surface of neurons then, when the cells die, the consciousness dies too. Your statement about dreams doesn't make much sense. Dreams can exist if the mind is a product of biology.
shilala
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Originally posted by: Gibsons
shilala! would you like to comment about identical twins now?
Absolutely.
Identical (and consequentially yummy) twins.
Thanks for the opportunity, Gib.
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: Gibsons
shilala! would you like to comment about identical twins now?
Absolutely.
Identical (and consequentially yummy) twins.
Thanks for the opportunity, Gib.
Words escape me -- WoooW, 2 X (Hubba, Hubba, Hubba)
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