Biological Immortality.

[Gibsons]

I feel that it's necessary to voice my opinion on this subject since this topic comes up repeatedly in different forms.

Considering your other post on God, it seems that you are really afraid of death, like most atheists. You seem to believe that death is oblivion. That's not true. Is it? Do you know for sure?

Where does the mind go after death? It has to exist somewhere, in some form. Your consciousness can't fade into a void. Otherwise, dreams have no basis.

Following this train of logic, death leads to eternal oblivion. Not a very heartening outcome. Isn't it more encouraging then, to have faith in God. I would take the latter over the former anyday of the week.

Well, if God doesn't exist or in other words, heaven and hell don't exist, then I have wasted my life worshiping a non-entity. Not true. Such a life gives one purpose, meaning, order and direction. Most importantly, hope. That is something exclusive for people who have faith.

What if you wake up one day and discover that heaven and hell do exist. That leaves you in a position that is entirely hopeless. Why not be on the safe side?

Pascal's wager is much more complex than that. Doesn't work as a sermon, that's for sure.

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Doesn't work as a sermon, that's for sure.

It's not meant to be. You like logic and reason, don't you?

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Doesn't work as a sermon, that's for sure.

It's not meant to be. You like logic and reason, don't you?

It came across as one.

And yes, I do like logic and reason. I dislike assumptions and sermons.

 

[shilala]

I read an article awhile ago where scientists found the link between cell replication and aging.
It claimed that when cells divide, there's a "hard cap" on the ends of cells that divides in half each time the cell divides. This creates a "half-life" effect on the bodies' cells. When that cap becomes so thin it will no longer support the cell's structure and the cells simply break.
It sort of explains the aging process, but not entirely. The jist was that by using stem cells on a grand scale, all the bodys' systems can be replaced.
/Mr. Wizard

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Doesn't work as a sermon, that's for sure.

It's not meant to be. You like logic and reason, don't you?

It came across as one.

And yes, I do like logic and reason. I dislike assumptions and sermons.

If I have made any incorrect assumptions, please do point them out. I would be happy to correct myself.

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: shilala
I read an article awhile ago where scientists found the link between cell replication and aging.
It claimed that when cells divide, there's a "hard cap" on the ends of cells that divides in half each time the cell divides. This creates a "half-life" effect on the bodies' cells. When that cap becomes so thin it will no longer support the cell's structure and the cells simply break.
It sort of explains the aging process, but not entirely. The jist was that by using stem cells on a grand scale, all the bodys' systems can be replaced.
/Mr. Wizard

That's right. Sort of like something that's programmed into the cell to prevent immortality.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: shilala
I read an article awhile ago where scientists found the link between cell replication and aging.
It claimed that when cells divide, there's a "hard cap" on the ends of cells that divides in half each time the cell divides. This creates a "half-life" effect on the bodies' cells. When that cap becomes so thin it will no longer support the cell's structure and the cells simply break.
It sort of explains the aging process, but not entirely. The jist was that by using stem cells on a grand scale, all the bodys' systems can be replaced.
/Mr. Wizard

Telomeres. They get shorter (not necessarily by half though) after each cell replication. It has to do with the directionality of DNA polymerase. Once the telomeres get too short, the cell tends to go into senescence. Senescence being a fancy word for "acts old."

 

[kobymu]

Originally posted by: Promethply
Pssst our genes regulate the production of the amino acids that provide the building blocks of what we are,

ok just ONE example (and.. i.. have... so......... many......... must..... resist.... the........ urge......... to...... flame............)

take enzyme for example, , for a cell to produce it, IT NEEDS TO COPY IT EXACTLY FROM RNA

genes (dna) are not just building blocks their processes. LIKE THE SAME POECESS IN CHIPMS' AND RATS (the same genes)
(must.. stop..... ) myaooo

 

[kobymu]

Originally posted by: shilala
That's right. Sort of like something that's programmed into the cell to prevent immortality.

and cancer!

/edit fixed

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Dofuss3000

Originally posted by: ribbon13
One of my most favored topics ever.

Cool, mine too. It is my main interest in life. I plan on becoming an M.D. / Ph.D. and help research a cure for aging.

Great. Make sure you make some MD/Ph.D friends and have them research a cure for overpopulation.

 

[Amused]

Of course I want to live for as long as I like.

And no, I do not believe in an "afterlife."

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: shilala
I read an article awhile ago where scientists found the link between cell replication and aging.
It claimed that when cells divide, there's a "hard cap" on the ends of cells that divides in half each time the cell divides. This creates a "half-life" effect on the bodies' cells. When that cap becomes so thin it will no longer support the cell's structure and the cells simply break.
It sort of explains the aging process, but not entirely. The jist was that by using stem cells on a grand scale, all the bodys' systems can be replaced.
/Mr. Wizard

Telomeres. They get shorter (not necessarily by half though) after each cell replication. It has to do with the directionality of DNA polymerase. Once the telomeres get too short, the cell tends to go into senescence. Senescence being a fancy word for "acts old."

You out-Mr.Wizarded me there.
That makes the second time in my life I heard the word "senescence". The first time was on Freaky Friday.
Jamie Lee Curtis is HAWT.
(See how I carefully brought that intelligent conversation around to poon? I should get a cookie.)

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Doesn't work as a sermon, that's for sure.

It's not meant to be. You like logic and reason, don't you?

It came across as one.

And yes, I do like logic and reason. I dislike assumptions and sermons.

If I have made any incorrect assumptions, please do point them out. I would be happy to correct myself.

Pascal's wager. How do you know whicdh god to worship: Zues, Shiva the destroyer or the Blue Unicorn on the Dark Side of the Moon? If you've been worshiping Shiva all your life, well, the Blue Unicorn is gonna pwn you big time in the afterlife. Shiva pisses him off. He might let the Zeus stuff slide, because Zeus was a partyer.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: shilala
I read an article awhile ago where scientists found the link between cell replication and aging.
It claimed that when cells divide, there's a "hard cap" on the ends of cells that divides in half each time the cell divides. This creates a "half-life" effect on the bodies' cells. When that cap becomes so thin it will no longer support the cell's structure and the cells simply break.
It sort of explains the aging process, but not entirely. The jist was that by using stem cells on a grand scale, all the bodys' systems can be replaced.
/Mr. Wizard

Telomeres. They get shorter (not necessarily by half though) after each cell replication. It has to do with the directionality of DNA polymerase. Once the telomeres get too short, the cell tends to go into senescence. Senescence being a fancy word for "acts old."

You out-Mr.Wizarded me there.
That makes the second time in my life I heard the word "senescence". The first time was on Freaky Friday.
Jamie Lee Curtis is HAWT.
(See how I carefully brought that intelligent conversation around to poon? I should get a cookie.)

Well earned.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: kobymu

ok just ONE example (and.. i.. have... so......... many......... must..... resist.... the........ urge......... to...... flame............)

take enzyme for example, , for a cell to produce it, IT NEEDS TO COPY IT EXACTLY FROM RNA

genes (dna) are not just building blocks their processes. LIKE THE SAME POECESS IN CHIPMS' AND RATS (the same genes)
(must.. stop..... ) myaooo

Can only see the trees eh -- what about the forest?

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Dofuss3000

Originally posted by: ribbon13
One of my most favored topics ever.

Cool, mine too. It is my main interest in life. I plan on becoming an M.D. / Ph.D. and help research a cure for aging.

I would suggest neurology... it's the biggest frontier imo.

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Pascal's wager. How do you know whicdh god to worship: Zues, Shiva the destroyer or the Blue Unicorn on the Dark Side of the Moon? If you've been worshiping Shiva all your life, well, the Blue Unicorn is gonna pwn you big time in the afterlife. Shiva pisses him off. He might let the Zeus stuff slide, because Zeus was a partyer.

How is "Pascal's wager" an assumption? Or do you mean that my whole post amounts to nothing but Pascal's wager (which I know nothing about)?

A quick glance at wiki's page on it gives me the impression that it is very similar to what I have said!

Notice, I haven't mentioned Islam or Christianity or Hinduism or any other religion. To be on the "safe side", you have to start somewhere, right? Well, that's all I am suggesting.

 

[kobymu]

Originally posted by: Promethply

Originally posted by: kobymu

ok just ONE example (and.. i.. have... so......... many......... must..... resist.... the........ urge......... to...... flame............)

take enzyme for example, , for a cell to produce it, IT NEEDS TO COPY IT EXACTLY FROM RNA

genes (dna) are not just building blocks their processes. LIKE THE SAME POECESS IN CHIPMS' AND RATS (the same genes)
(must.. stop..... ) myaooo

Can only see the trees eh -- what about the forest?

we(genetic researchers, NOT me) just found out how much of our genes are "humen" (the genome project)

 

[CFster]

Well, unless people stop having babies, this would cause a big problem.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Pascal's wager. How do you know whicdh god to worship: Zues, Shiva the destroyer or the Blue Unicorn on the Dark Side of the Moon? If you've been worshiping Shiva all your life, well, the Blue Unicorn is gonna pwn you big time in the afterlife. Shiva pisses him off. He might let the Zeus stuff slide, because Zeus was a partyer.

How is "Pascal's wager" an assumption? Or do you mean that my whole post amounts to nothing but Pascal's wager (which I know nothing about)?

A quick glance at wiki's page on it gives me the impression that it is very similar to what I have said!

Notice, I haven't mentioned Islam or Christianity or Hinduism or any other religion. To be on the "safe side", you have to start somewhere, right? Well, that's all I am suggesting.

Yes, your argument was a restatement of Pascal's wager. It gets posted on just about every thread like this.

The assumption you make is that you are worshiping the correct god.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: shilala
I read an article awhile ago where scientists found the link between cell replication and aging.
It claimed that when cells divide, there's a "hard cap" on the ends of cells that divides in half each time the cell divides. This creates a "half-life" effect on the bodies' cells. When that cap becomes so thin it will no longer support the cell's structure and the cells simply break.
It sort of explains the aging process, but not entirely. The jist was that by using stem cells on a grand scale, all the bodys' systems can be replaced.
/Mr. Wizard

Telomeres. They get shorter (not necessarily by half though) after each cell replication. It has to do with the directionality of DNA polymerase. Once the telomeres get too short, the cell tends to go into senescence. Senescence being a fancy word for "acts old."

You out-Mr.Wizarded me there.
That makes the second time in my life I heard the word "senescence". The first time was on Freaky Friday.
Jamie Lee Curtis is HAWT.
(See how I carefully brought that intelligent conversation around to poon? I should get a cookie.)

Well earned.

Thanks man.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: kobymu

we(genetic researchers, NOT me) just found out how much of our genes are "humen" (the genome project)

The above quoted post actually make it clear that you knew what I meant by "genes" in my first post in this thread

 

[her209]

Even if scientists figured out a way for you to not die of old age, still doesn't mean you won't die from other things. One of the benefits of death is that it frees up resources (mainly food) for the offspring. Also, can you imagine if you lived to be over a thousand years old but in the process had to watch all your children, your spouse, your friends, all die?

 

[kobymu]

Originally posted by: Promethply
Our progenies will carry on our genes, and as such, in a sense, we will live forever

Our genes are not US,Our progenies are not US

us is our thought/memories/personalities.
without them we are just animal that continue to multiply (and evolve) and dont live on in our "progenies".

Our progenies are not a continuns of us but just "other" with some of there genes identical to ours

 

[kobymu]

genes is not us.
----us is the entire package-----
genes are just a part of us


think about identical twins, they are NOT the some