Binoculars (especially for birding)

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Chanced on recent guest essay in The New York Times by the birdwatcher (Christian Cooper) who civilly asked a woman in Central Park to leash her dog but she instead threatened to call the cops on him saying she was being menaced by an African American man. I think the link will work to get beyond the paywall for 14 days, i.e. until June 12, 2023. I believe that Cooper started taking video of this encounter to protect himself. This did not go well for the woman.

Cooper's lifelong love of birdwatching has taken off in a big way since the Central Park dust-up. He has a forthcoming book, his new born career promoting birdwatching is taking off in a big way!

Well, the article is very well written and from the heart. His ambition in writing it was to inspire others with his passion. I'd like to get out more, get into hiking and, it seems to me, birding could dovetail into that.

I figure step one in becoming a birdwatcher is to get ahold of a decent pair of binoculars. Cooper mentioned that his father gave him a Swarovski for his 50th birthday. That would likely cost over $2000 in today's money.

Well, frankly, until a few days ago when I read the article I knew next to nothing about binoculars. I have had Nikon 8 x 23mm binos for a couple decades, rarely use them for anything. It's something but would be considered inadequate by real birders.

Well, 2-3 days ago I started researching binoculars online. It's complicated, there's lots of stuff available, and my sense of it is that most of the sites that review them cut corners and are short on honesty. I suppose they are mostly after the cut they get if you go and order from their links. Of course, it's not only birders who are interested in binos. There's hunters, there are stargazers, people who want to see insects up close without disturbing them, seafarers, and more, of course. That makes it more difficult to zero in on binos that are well suited to birders.

I ordered a pair but subsequently discovered what wasn't easy to find, which is negativity about what I ordered (Athlon Midas 8 x 42 UHD ED, $207 presently at Walmart). ReviewMeta.com couldn't come up with an updated evaluation of Amazon reviews for some reason, but it did say that a handful of reviews were deleted, which is suspicious. Anyway, a couple of other sites (and one Canadian review at Amazon) suggest that the focus knob on this particular bino is too stiff, a serious shortcoming. Also, it's a bit heavier at 25 oz. than it needs to be. Well, it is relatively cheap, however the image is evidently competitive with that of binos in much higher price ranges.

I may return the Athlon when I get it if it seems tough to refocus... I figure a birder needs to have a really good focusing mechanism. Smooth, easy, but not so easy to be accidently changed, also have a range that's not too big, not too small, maybe 1 1/2 turns one end to the other. Another criticism of the Athlon is that the close focus limit published (6.5 feet) is anything but conservative. The Canadian guy said it's more like 8 - 10 feet, depending on what you get.

Well, after ordering I came upon the Celestron Nature DX 8 x 42, which is cheaper ($125 right now at Amazon), doesn't have as good image, but close, not as good a field of view (7.4 degrees versus the Athlon's 8.1 degrees) but has likely a legit 6.5 foot close focus, is ~3 ounces lighter, has not as robust a body but according to what I read, a really good focus knob, just perfect, it appears, for my anticipated usage, which will be for lots of stuff, but I want it to be especially suited to birding. Possibly, according to what I read, it's much better for low light (?) than the Athlon, if true, a significant factor. Extensive review of the Celestron Nature DX 8 x 42.

Anyway, according to reviews it's apparently a good idea to compare binos in person before coming to a decision to purchase.

I'm in Berkeley, CA, San Francisco Bay, a metropolitan area, and I figure I should be able to find B&M stores where I can handle and compare a variety of binoculars, hopefully a good selection, play with the focus mechanisms, diopters, eye pieces, look across the store in various lighting and get a sense of what I like and why.

Can I get some suggestions of what stores and where I could do this?
 
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Charmonium

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Too tired to read so this may or may not be useful.

Most peeps tell you not to go over 10x since it's too hard to hold anything with higher magnification steady. But if you really want to get "close," go with 40x and a unipod.

Given how skittish birds, especially those out in the boonies can be, you're going to be happy you went with higher mag.

If you're not prepared to take the plunge tho, zoom binos are another option but haven't seen those floating around for a while.

edit: oh, and don't cheap out on your optics, especially on a zoom. Don't waste your money.
 

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Sportsman’s Warehouse allows you to check out lots of binoculars. They have stores in California but I don’t know how close one is to you. Also see if a local astronomy store carries binoculars.
 

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After extensive testing of various pairs, I went with the nikon monarch 7 8x42. I got them at an open box discount. The image is good, wide field of view, not too heavy, and very high eye relief which is important as I wear glasses. Having to take off my glasses when birding is a pain and high eye relief means I can leave them on.
 

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Bass Pro Shops also allows one to try out lots of binoculars. There is one in San Jose.
 
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Too tired to read so this may or may not be useful.

Most peeps tell you not to go over 10x since it's too hard to hold anything with higher magnification steady. But if you really want to get "close," go with 40x and a unipod.

Given how skittish birds, especially those out in the boonies can be, you're going to be happy you went with higher mag.

If you're not prepared to take the plunge tho, zoom binos are another option but haven't seen those floating around for a while.

edit: oh, and don't cheap out on your optics, especially on a zoom. Don't waste your money.
I did a LOT of reading online the day I read the article, spent most of the afternoon and actually made my order then. I figure 8x42 or 8x40 would be best for me. It seems that 8x40 are relatively hard to find, so that left me with 8x42, which are quite common.

Was advised in what I read to stay away from Zoom binoculars, they sacrifice image quality in a major way.

I suppose a unipod is a possibility. I have a light weight hiker's tripod already. Either of the binos I mention in the OP support a tripod, and I suppose a unipod. Either of those binos also has excellent optics, particularly the Athlon. It's a shame the Athlon's focusing mechanism is substandard. Maybe I'll luck out and the one I'll receive this week will be better, but it seems unlikely.
 
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After extensive testing of various pairs, I went with the nikon monarch 7 8x42. I got them at an open box discount. The image is good, wide field of view, not too heavy, and very high eye relief which is important as I wear glasses. Having to take off my glasses when birding is a pain and high eye relief means I can leave them on.
According to the reviews I read, either of the binos I link in the OP have 17.5mm eye relief, said to be enough for glasses wearers. Again, I won't fully appreciate that until I hold them up to my face, another reason I want to try some in stores. I do wear glasses and figure there's a good chance that for birding I'll not want to be removing my glasses.
 
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IronWing

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According to the reviews I read, either of the binos I link in the OP have 17.5mm eye relief, said to be enough for glasses wearers. Again, I won't fully appreciate that until I hold them up to my face, another reason I want to try some in stores.
17.5mm is better that the 17.1 on the Nikons I mentioned so that should be sufficient.

If you do find a store, be sure to check out the closest focus distance. People tend to think about using binos for long distance viewing but for birding, close in viewing can be very enjoyable.
 

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I did a LOT of reading online the day I read the article, spent most of the afternoon and actually made my order then. I figure 8x42 or 8x40 would be best for me. It seems that 8x40 are relatively hard to find, so that left me with 8x42, which are quite common.

Was advised in what I read to stay away from Zoom binoculars, they sacrifice image quality in a major way.

I suppose a unipod is a possibility. I have a light weight hiker's tripod already. Either of the binos I mention in the OP support a tripod, and I suppose a unipod. Either of those binos also has excellent optics, particularly the Athlon. It's a shame the focusing mechanism is substandard. Maybe I'll luck out and the one I'll receive this week will be better, but it seems unlikely.
I think you may have misunderstood. I meant 40 power magnification. The 40 in 8x40 is the field of view. Did you think the second number was something else?
 

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Well, there's a converted ice rink a few blocks from me called Sports Basement, I suppose I should go in there. There's also an REI in my town, they certainly will have some selection. There's a Best Buy around 3-4 miles away.
 

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I think you may have misunderstood. I meant 40 power magnification. The 40 in 8x40 is the field of view. Did you think the second number was something else?
The 2nd number (40 here) should be the diameter of the objectives. 40 power magnification would require stabilization, not hand held.
 
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Looks like the closest telescope store to you is in Watsonville. :(
I think I know the woman who does their database development and administration. She's been with them for I think 20+ years. Wonderful lady. Orion Telescopes, am I right? Yup, I think so.
 
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The 2nd number (40 here) should be the diameter of the objectives. 40 power magnification would require stabilization, not hand held.
My apologies. FOV is always quoted separately.

edit: I was thinking that 40 was in degrees (FOV). Not sure why.
 
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17.5mm is better that the 17.1 on the Nikons I mentioned so that should be sufficient.

If you do find a store, be sure to check out the closest focus distance. People tend to think about using binos for long distance viewing but for birding, close in viewing can be very enjoyable.
I figure I'll also want to observe insects. So, yeah, the close focus is important to me.

Edit: The Athlon's eye relief is actually 17.2mm, so the Celestron's is evidently better at 17.5mm. Again, I have not handled binos of this caliber so don't know how this would work out for me. FYI: Site linked above with the extensive review of the Celestron said that it's not suited to use around water, e.g. marine, aquatic in general because the highlights will be too intense.
 
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After extensive testing of various pairs, I went with the nikon monarch 7 8x42. I got them at an open box discount. The image is good, wide field of view, not too heavy, and very high eye relief which is important as I wear glasses. Having to take off my glasses when birding is a pain and high eye relief means I can leave them on.
Here's IMO a very interesting and recent review of the Athlon Midas UHD ED 8 x 42 (linked in the OP) that references also the Celestron and the Nikon Monarch M7:
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5.0 out of 5 stars Great binoculars. Reasonable price.
Reviewed in the United States on May 7, 2023
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Amateur (but reasonably competent) birder. Second pair of binoculars. Looking for something just a bit snazzier than my (very trusty) Celestron Nature DX 8 x 42, which I still have. Tried multiple different sets of binoculars, including the same Celestron but with ED glass and Nikon M7, both in 8 x 42. With the Celestron just didn't feel enough of a bump in quality to justify another set of binoculars. Optics on the Nikon were superb but the locking diopter drove me insane as a glasses-wearer, and of course it was much more expensive. Optics on this Athlon 8x 42 equivalent to Nikon. Smooth movement. Feels durable. Diopter works just fine. Also excellent value. Looking forward to using more.

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Reviews recently don't complain about the movement, so I'm hopeful I won't be disappointed when the Athlon arrives this week. There's been quality control issues with these in the past with respect to the focus knob. Maybe a bit of a crapshoot.
 

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You said you were tired. ;)
Still am. It's much less effort for me to type than read. I learned to touch type almost 50 years ago and now it's easier than thinking, talking and pretty much anything else.
 

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Do you have the Merlin app on your phone? Highly, highly recommended-it's from Cornell and is free. I love being able to identify birds from their songs.

I have a pair of cheapie Sears binoculars I got way back in the 70's. I've kept them in the car for decades for a quick looks at something interesting. For birds I would start with a cheap pair and see how you like them. Without using a stand it I'm way too unstable to enjoy using them much for birds-it's extremely hard for me to keep them in the field of view.
 

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Did you ever get a pair? If so, how do you like it?
I actually bought two pairs. The best deal out there for the Athlons I refer to above:

Walmart - Athlon UHD Gray 8 x 42 Birding binoculars - $206.99

... also a terrific deal for "as new" Celestron 8 x 42, referred to above in the thread:

Celestron #71332 Nature DX 8x42 binoculars $80.00 + tax off ebay. Somehow the seller has a lot of these and they are indeed as new and nearly as good as the Athlons.

I also bought 3 sets of harnesses. They are excellent for the binoculars and I got one for my Pentax DSLR:

I got this deal on the harnesses: https://www.ebay.com/itm/114485685652

Same as this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08B3WRYQ4?th=1&psc=1

These are all great!
 
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