Bin Laden's burial at sea--why was it so important to adhere to Muslim funeral rites?

[Throckmorton]

Perhaps we could show Christian and Jewish people in this country the same respect. I don't understand why the only religion the left seems to worry about respecting is Islam.

Right, that's why Obama said "God" 3 times in his speech?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by piasabird
I would have flown the body back to New York City, to show the people of New York. People deserve closure!

The only ones who do not have "closure" are the conspiracy theorists.

The fucker is dead. The how/when are practically irrelevant.

What proof do you have he is dead?

 

[dabuddha]

yes further antagonizing of terrorists is a good idea especially for troops and other americans living in those areas of the world.

Like they wouldn't be out to kill American troops otherwise

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What proof do you have he is dead?

http://piv.pivpiv.dk/

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Like they wouldn't be out to kill American troops otherwise

Enough people hate America why force the issue?

 

[shiner]

Right, that's why Obama said "God" 3 times in his speech?

The term "God" does not belong exclusively to Christians.

 

[CLite]

One soldier's life is worth more than a million dickheads wanting to gloat by dancing on a deadman's corpse. If we bathed Osama's body in pig blood and it resulted in riots that harmed American soldiers their blood would have been on Obama's hands.

In summary, get the fuck over your twisted perversions the man is dead.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Like they wouldn't be out to kill American troops otherwise

Gee, there are tens of thousands of radical Muslims who can't wait for a chance to kill Americans... what do you say we try for millions?

 

[dabuddha]

Gee, there are tens of thousands of radical Muslims who can't wait for a chance to kill Americans... what do you say we try for millions?

Your numbers might be a little off And I highly doubt it would lead to a significant increase in the amount of pissed off muslims.

 

[CLite]

Your numbers might be a little off And I highly doubt it would lead to a significant increase in the amount of pissed off muslims.

Burning a Koran resulted in a riot that killed 12 UN workers.

Killing Osama will certainly result in violence. Bathing him in pig's blood and dancing on his corpse would without a doubt increase the violence level. I'm quite certain you acknowledge this fact, and while you would like to defend your original position you should just give it up.

 

[Throckmorton]

The term "God" does not belong exclusively to Christians.

In a speech by the president of the USA, yes it belongs to Christians.

 

[dabuddha]

Burning a Koran resulted in a riot that killed 12 UN workers.

Killing Osama will certainly result in violence. Bathing him in pig's blood and dancing on his corpse would without a doubt increase the violence level. I'm quite certain you acknowledge this fact, and while you would like to defend your original position you should just give it up.

Actually, if you read my "original position", I stated that it wouldn't really deter extremist muslims from wanting to kill American troops.

 

[CLite]

Actually, if you read my "original position", I stated that it wouldn't really deter extremist muslims from wanting to kill American troops.

Your original position was putting his body in a port-a-potty. By this I can only assume you wish violence upon innocents (which would results from riots, as seen in the Koran burning) to feed a sadistic need of yours to exact revenge on a dead body.

Pathetic and un-American.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Right, that's why Obama said "God" 3 times in his speech?

What is amazing is how often Obama references 'God' but the left doesn't attack him for it. But some conservative mentions they are against abortion because of God or something like that and we have rants going off about how religion is only followed by the uneducated and stupid. So, I'll rephrase my statement. I wish the left would show the same respect and tolerance toward conservative christians as they do Bin Laden's religious burial rights.

 

[jjzelinski]

Winner.

Also it's a great way to show respect for the religion and give his supporters a big FU. A place of burial would be a rallying point. A body would be motivation for attacks to reclaim it. Now there's nothing but the fish to tell the tale.

Fuck that. horse shit. I'm military, I'm somewhat left of center, and think this is horse shit. What this suggests to me is that this was merely a political stunt. A "fuck you" of epic proportions to the right wing who has been hounding this administration since the moment obama announced his candidacy.

The bush administration used terrorism as a tool to distract us from the total destruction it was wreaking on our financial system. The consequence of decimating our foreign policy was a "two birds with one stone" scenario by feeding it's constituents xenophobism and thereby perpetuating it's political leverage. Obama was a boogey man used to serve as a face for a grassroots, decentralized, but aggressive "concept" or a noun as some have referred to it; aka, the war on "terrorism." The right wing used obama for it's political gain.

What may have happened here is that this administration, inheriting the madness of the previous, couldn't come right out and say "hey there retards, the previous psychopaths invented this guy to scare you and further its own political gains" because that would just further alienate the right wingers and completely fuck us in any possible way of salvaging our foreign policy. So it would be forced to perpetuate this ghost.

But what would prevent them from killing the ghost and taking credit for the "kill?" It's not like the previous regime would call foul, thereby revealing itself to be diabolical, manipulative scoundrels interested only in furthering their own narrow interests. No, instead, this current admin could use that ace up it's sleeve any time it wanted. For instance, at an all time low in the polls or when unstable "television personalities" somehow gain legitimacy and initiate a ridiculous assault on the very legitimacy of the presidency that actually *resonates* with the masses?

It's beautiful. Inherit clusterfuck country from batshit crazy previous administration, suffer endless assaults ranging from "it's your fault for not fixing this fast enough" to "your name sounds like a terrorist so you're secretly working for some guy in a cave 5000 miles away", repay favor by killing fictitious "boogey man" for political gain, but in a way that is so absurd that it can't be seen as anything less but a gigantic "fuck you" to the american right wing JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN.

And why not? The current admin has total impunity in this matter if in fact we fabricated it to begin with. Ok, so we conveniently find and kill OBL at a time when in it politically VERY beneficial to the current admin. But what about HOW the boogey man was killed? We're told that he, a devout fundamentalist muslim mastermind waging jihad on "westerism" and living a life of minimal comfort for the glory of allah and to serve as an inspiration to his "brothers", all of the sudden turns a new leaf at some point and decides to "live large" in a reinforced compound replete with all the niceties that a totem of holy war would come to expect. Our intel, which so far has been conveyed with terms such as "suspected" and "assumed", as to his whereabouts in this bad ass bachelor pad compelled our military planners not to bomb the living piss out of this asshole which could EASILY be accomplished, but instead to send in bad ass SPEC OPS navy seals to "shoot to kill".... and to dump the evidence in the ocean... lol!!! Ok!! Oh but then again the "million dollar compound" was reinforced so perhaps our 5000lbs bunked busters wouldnt be sufficient...

So on one hand we decide not to bomb the piss out of OBL presumably because we want eyes on the target. Seems prudent. On the other, we send in a precision team of military specialists to "carefully examine" the target for confirmation of the kill and we then dump that confirmation in the ocean... out of respect for islam??? Seriously??? How can this be seen as anything other than a gigantic FUCK YOU??

 

[CLite]

This is not a fabrication:
1) Osama could just release a video and be like "lol @ you idiots"
2) we got DNA evidence, video, and photography
3) This point will be the most important for the braindead idiots amonst us. Any future republican administration would have access to all CIA records, be able to appoint the CIA chief, NSA chief, etc. You think if Romney was elected he would be like "lets keep Obama's stunt a secret and pretend Osama is dead"


Occam's razor and all that, get over it he's dead you raving lunatic.

 

[a777pilot]

I don't understand why the U.S. government thought that it was so important to dispose of his body within 24 hours unless they're using it as a cover up for something (such as his having already been dead for years or our not having actually killed him).

Who cares if he gets a proper Muslim funeral? Did the victims in the World Trade Center get a proper funeral? Aside from keeping his body around for a while to show various media investigators and whatnot, afterward I think we should have placed his body in a 55 gallon drum full of pigs blood and then dumped the drum at sea. Perhaps his submersion in the drum could have been broadcast over the Internet. "Follow in his footsteps and this is what will happen to you."

Maybe it is because Bobo, the Post Turtle, was born a muslim and has sympathy for that so called religion.

 

[dabuddha]

Your original position was putting his body in a port-a-potty. By this I can only assume you wish violence upon innocents (which would results from riots, as seen in the Koran burning) to feed a sadistic need of yours to exact revenge on a dead body.

Pathetic and un-American.

Ohh you're right, I completely forgot that's what I said originally lol. Well, I still stand by that being the right thing to do with this cockroach You can assume all you like but you'd be wrong as usual. The man was scum, the people that support him are scum. He's responsible for the murder of innocent men, women, and children. He did not just kill soldiers in battle. He does NOT deserve a proper burial, end of story.

 

[CLite]

Ohh you're right, I completely forgot that's what I said originally lol. Well, I still stand by that being the right thing to do with this cockroach You can assume all you like but you'd be wrong as usual. The man was scum, the people that support him are scum. He's responsible for the murder of innocent men, women, and children. He did not just kill soldiers in battle. He does NOT deserve a proper burial, end of story.

Osama's body does not deserve anything. Our troops, civilians, and other innocents abroad deserve us mitigating the violent response to the elimination of this scum.

You can't possibly be arguing that defiling his body is worth endangering the aforementioned groups?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Burying ObL at sea within the Islamic tradition of 24 hours served two purposes. It appeases the moderate Muslims and didn't provide a martyrs grave for the fanatics to worship or use as inspiration.

 

[sportage]

Why the OP asks? Because we are civilized and respect the dead. Even the evil dead. Remember the John Wayne cowboy movies? John killed the bad guy, and still took time to bury him, with a respectful Christian burial. Why we did it respectfully to OBL? Maybe it was a John Wayne thing...? Now, over "there" in OBL countries, they drag the bodies through the streets. Or hang them on a pole to rot. I think we are better than that. At least some of us. WHen my evil rotten scumbag mother-in-law died, we gave her a Christian burial, and I insisted they bury her, and the deeper the better. She hated to travel. BITCH BITCH BITCH! So I figured we bury her deep, as close to her final firry destination as possible. (ITS A JOKE)

 

[JimW1949]

Yeah, Bush had him killed, decided to wait til Obama won the election and gave it to him as a congratulations present for use whenever he felt appropriate.

Why is it so hard to believe? Our main objective in going to Afghanistan was to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden. Once we accomplish our main objective, it is time to bring the troops home. If you want to keep the troops there, you need a reason for doing it. As long as everyone thinks Osama Bin Laden is alive and plotting more terrorist attacks, we will spare no expense to keep the war going. When we get him, it is time to bring the troops home.

Anyway I tend to think we got him a long time ago. I freely admit I could be dead wrong on this. For all I know he was killed this past Sunday just as the news said he was. But things just don't seem to add up for me and this whole situation makes me wonder whether we are being told the truth or not. Obviously I have no proof one way or the other, it is just speculation on my part, but it just doesn't seem right somehow.