Originally posted by: yllus
I won't argue that a good number of Western-born sons and daughters of Muslims start up with the Jewish conspiracy garbage if you raise the issue of 9/11 behind closed doors. Being of the culture I hear it more than any of you do. These, simply, are just dumb people who are spoon-fed a little too easily by their 40 to 60 year old blue collar mothers and fathers who somehow are experts of world politics and religion. It's just SORT OF similar to the way your own parents have doubtless told you about how the Kashmiri people long to be a part of India in spite of the whole predominant religion thing and the refusal to vote in a referendum to join the country of their choosing or strike on out alone.
The Koran as a whole isn't that much more barbaric than our old testament. Examine Judge 29 I think..something about the raping and dismemberment of a concubine.
"You think." Surely the words of someone who's read the book before commenting. Once again, a link to this thread:
The Bible vs. The Koran on various issues of Man.
1 In those days Israel had no king.
Now a Levite who lived in a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim took a concubine from
Bethlehem in Judah. 2 But she was unfaithful to him. She left him and went back to her father's
house in Bethlehem, Judah. After she had been there four months, 3 her husband went to her to
persuade her to return. He had with him his servant and two donkeys. She took him into her
father's house, and when her father saw him, he gladly welcomed him. 4 His father-in-law, the
girl's father, prevailed upon him to stay; so he remained with him three days, eating and drinking,
and sleeping there.
5 On the fourth day they got up early and he prepared to leave, but the girl's father said to his
son-in-law, "Refresh yourself with something to eat; then you can go." 6 So the two of them sat
down to eat and drink together. Afterward the girl's father said, "Please stay tonight and enjoy
yourself." 7 And when the man got up to go, his father-in-law persuaded him, so he stayed there
that night. 8 On the morning of the fifth day, when he rose to go, the girl's father said, "Refresh
yourself. Wait till afternoon!" So the two of them ate together.
9 Then when the man, with his concubine and his servant, got up to leave, his father-in-law, the
girl's father, said, "Now look, it's almost evening. Spend the night here; the day is nearly over. Stay
and enjoy yourself. Early tomorrow morning you can get up and be on your way home." 10 But,
unwilling to stay another night, the man left and went toward Jebus (that is, Jerusalem), with his
two saddled donkeys and his concubine.
11 When they were near Jebus and the day was almost gone, the servant said to his master, "Come,
let's stop at this city of the Jebusites and spend the night."
12 His master replied, "No. We won't go into an alien city, whose people are not Israelites. We will
go on to Gibeah." 13 He added, "Come, let's try to reach Gibeah or Ramah and spend the night in
one of those places." 14 So they went on, and the sun set as they neared Gibeah in Benjamin. 15
There they stopped to spend the night. They went and sat in the city square, but no one took them
into his home for the night.
16 That evening an old man from the hill country of Ephraim, who was living in Gibeah (the men
of the place were Benjamites), came in from his work in the fields. 17 When he looked and saw the
traveler in the city square, the old man asked, "Where are you going? Where did you come from?"
18 He answered, "We are on our way from Bethlehem in Judah to a remote area in the hill
country of Ephraim where I live. I have been to Bethlehem in Judah and now I am going to the
house of the LORD . No one has taken me into his house. 19 We have both straw and fodder for
our donkeys and bread and wine for ourselves your servants-me, your maidservant, and the young
man with us. We don't need anything."
20 "You are welcome at my house," the old man said. "Let me supply whatever you need. Only
don't spend the night in the square." 21 So he took him into his house and fed his donkeys. After
they had washed their feet, they had something to eat and drink.
22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house.
Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who
came to your house so we can have sex with him."
23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since
this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his
concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you
wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing."
25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to
them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At
daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door
and lay there until daylight.
27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to
continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on
the threshold. 28 He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her
on his donkey and set out for home.
29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve
parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel. 30 Everyone who saw it said, "Such a thing has
never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Think about it!
Consider it! Tell us what to do!"
Can't recall seeing anything like that in the Koran nor in Bible study class. The Old Testament has alot of things you don't typically hear about...why don't you pick up the good book once in awhile and you will see for yourself
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