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Bill passes house... now its up to the Democrats

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OneOfTheseDays said:
Republicans and Conservatives on this board need to understand one thing.

You will get NONE of what you want without compromise. Attempting to take the US gov't hostage doesn't work nor has it ever worked in this country's history. It's simply now how we operate.

The Democrats have already shown willingness to compromise by showing support for plans that make sizable cuts to entitlement programs and proposing bills that offer no revenue increases (tax increases) at all.

What have the Republicans compromised on thus far?
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Is it grape flavored today? 🙄
 
IronWing said:
Which can be addressed in the next set of appropriations bills, you know the ones that Congress is neglecting to work on while the current circus continues? Spending of course is only one side of that equation, taxes being the other.
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No because they won't. They can "promise" all they want to address it but they won't or will claim "cuts" that are just reduction of increases. Increases they inflate to claim "cuts" later. It's a game - it needs to stop.

deficits are caused by spending. We(the fed)take in plenty of money - it's just that we spend too much. The Fed is too big and controls too much - including spending.
 
CADsortaGUY said:
No because they won't. They can "promise" all they want to address it but they won't or will claim "cuts" that are just reduction of increases. Increases they inflate to claim "cuts" later. It's a game - it needs to stop.

deficits are caused by spending. We(the fed)take in plenty of money - it's just that we spend too much. The Fed is too big and controls too much - including spending.
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GOP controls the House. Nothing is stopping them from cutting spending. They can just not appropriate it.
 
senseamp said:
A filibuster is political suicide for the GOP. It's simply untenable to be obstructing the country into a default.
If it's not filibustered, it goes to the House. House cannot pass it without Democrat votes, tea baggers will never vote for it. So any changes Reps put in that Dems don't accept, they pull the votes, and say, see, the GOP has a majority won't pass this out of the House, they just want to crash the economy. Also political suicide for the GOP.
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No it is political suicide for the Democrat majority to not pass it in the Senate


rinse, repeat indefinitely...
 
CADsortaGUY said:
No because they won't. They can "promise" all they want to address it but they won't or will claim "cuts" that are just reduction of increases. Increases they inflate to claim "cuts" later. It's a game - it needs to stop.

deficits are caused by spending. We(the fed)take in plenty of money - it's just that we spend too much. The Fed is too big and controls too much - including spending.
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How lame. Deficits are created by an imbalance between revenues and spending.

Cut, Cut, Cut! isn't the only answer, nor is spending entirely the cause. Revenues are extremely low, due to the recession and also to serial tax cuts made over the last 30 years.

Spending too high? Maybe taxes are too low. They're at their lowest point in the Post-WW2 era, and the lowest in the first world, by far.

You do want to be part of the first world, right? Or should we settle for taxation, govt, and an income distribution more like the third world?

Repub leaders clearly want the latter, even though they keep putting different shades of lipstick on their favorite pig...
 
Jhhnn said:
How lame. Deficits are created by an imbalance between revenues and spending.

Cut, Cut, Cut! isn't the only answer, nor is spending entirely the cause. Revenues are extremely low, due to the recession and also to serial tax cuts made over the last 30 years.

Spending too high? Maybe taxes are too low. They're at their lowest point in the Post-WW2 era, and the lowest in the first world, by far.

You do want to be part of the first world, right? Or should we settle for taxation, govt, and an income distribution more like the third world?

Repub leaders clearly want the latter, even though they keep putting different shades of lipstick on their favorite pig...
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If only we had more revenue, imagine what we could do!

Mind of a liberal in full swing.
 
Jhhnn said:
How lame. Deficits are created by an imbalance between revenues and spending.

Cut, Cut, Cut! isn't the only answer, nor is spending entirely the cause. Revenues are extremely low, due to the recession and also to serial tax cuts made over the last 30 years.

Spending too high? Maybe taxes are too low. They're at their lowest point in the Post-WW2 era, and the lowest in the first world, by far.

You do want to be part of the first world, right? Or should we settle for taxation, govt, and an income distribution more like the third world?

Repub leaders clearly want the latter, even though they keep putting different shades of lipstick on their favorite pig...
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lol, keep trying to think taxes are the answer... you people never seem to learn.
yeah, "first world" BS - go figure. What others do is of no issue. We are the USA, we have our own Constitution to follow - it doesn't matter in this situation how much others spend or tax - this is about OUR spending.

The only thing that's lame is you morons on the left that keep trying to raise taxes during a downturn because you don't like the idea of your precious gov't having less control.
 
mshan said:
Warren Buffett:

If this happened, Obama would easily get re-elected and Democrats probably take a large part of House and Senate back because of anti-incumbent wave.

Obviously Republicans can't allow that to happen and they will tank the economy as long the millionaire and billionaire Republicans (probably some nominal Democrats too) who Bush referred to as his real base don't suffer. Everyone else is essentially hired help, as Barbara Bush was previously quoted, I believe (I think she said more specifically there are peers to them, and every else is hired help).
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Dream on dude.

The biggest year to year drop in unemployment is 2% from 9.6% in 1983 to 7.5% in 1984.

So the best Obama can hope for at this point is 7.2% which might be enough to get him re-elected.... EXCEPT! GDP growth in 1983 was over 8% and right now our GDP growth is nearly 0.

Realistically, if there was some kind of economic miracle and the economy kicked into high gear we might see a 1% drop in unemployment and I doubt Obama survives that. And that would require growth to hit 5% and there is nothing at all that suggests we will see that.
 
ProfJohn said:
No it is political suicide for the Democrat majority to not pass it in the Senate


rinse, repeat indefinitely...
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You are simply delusional. Once government goes into shutdown, if any Republican is blocking a bill in the Senate, the whole GOP will get the blame.
 
CADsortaGUY said:
and here we sit with people like you screaming bloody murder over it...
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Maybe you should let go of your liberal shaped puppet and find out what real world liberals are actually like. I am a liberal and I support a balanced budget amendment. I have two reasons for doing so. The first is that it makes long term financial sense to get our house in order. The second is that a balanced budget amendment would limit a President's ability to engage in foreign adventures. Imagine a future President having to ask for immediate tax increases to pay for the next Iraq, Libya, or Grenada? It would provide a dose of reality for a rather jingoistic nation.
 
CADsortaGUY said:
lol, keep trying to think taxes are the answer... you people never seem to learn.
yeah, "first world" BS - go figure. What others do is of no issue. We are the USA, we have our own Constitution to follow - it doesn't matter in this situation how much others spend or tax - this is about OUR spending.

The only thing that's lame is you morons on the left that keep trying to raise taxes during a downturn because you don't like the idea of your precious gov't having less control.
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Just chant USA! USA! USA! over & over again, if you want.

The reason to raise taxes at the top in a downturn is to put money back into circulation, rather than let it accumulate in the financial mattresses of the wealthy, which is exactly what's happening today.

"Job Creators!?" Really? Where?
 
I am glad that the "Tea Party" members voted against the bill. Stupid long term policy, but at least they are keeping their promises to the people that elected them.

All the compromises proposed so far are BS. Congress cannot bind the future, that is why the people that want real teeth want the balanced budget amendment.

I would support a tax increase on me if there were real cuts as well. Not "less increase in spending", cuts. The US needs to get the political will to deal with this once and for all.

I think the best tax policy is a short term excise tax on everyone (lower income as well, squeeze social security, vets, lots of pain). Make it clear what the spending today is really costing us.

I think the budget needs a proper matching of short term spending to revenues with a longer term capital plan to improve infrastructure that should be matched with longer term debt. Just like companies that are exposed to the capital markets do.

The tax code is also a train wreck right now. So much politics and special interests imbedded into it (that includes the "Home owning special interest" via mortgage deductions). Fix it.

Senators and Representatives are paid a good salary to do their job. They should do it.

Michael
 
IronWing said:
Maybe you should let go of your liberal shaped puppet and find out what real world liberals are actually like. I am a liberal and I support a balanced budget amendment. I have two reasons for doing so. The first is that it makes long term financial sense to get our house in order. The second is that a balanced budget amendment would limit a President's ability to engage in foreign adventures. Imagine a future President having to ask for immediate tax increases to pay for the next Iraq, Libya, or Grenada? It would provide a dose of reality for a rather jingoistic nation.
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golf clap?

First you assume I was talking to you. Second you assume I don't know, speak to, have friends that are liberals, and thus have the wrong picture of them. I do happen to know a few who support balanced spending, but they are a rare breed.
 
Jhhnn said:
Just chant USA! USA! USA! over & over again, if you want.

The reason to raise taxes at the top in a downturn is to put money back into circulation, rather than let it accumulate in the financial mattresses of the wealthy, which is exactly what's happening today.

"Job Creators!?" Really? Where?
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...because daddy gov't knows best how to spend it.... am I right?
 
Balt said:
Doesn't look like it. Bill is DOA, 59-41.
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I was speaking more about a compromise bill getting through the Senate.

Ried can now either do nothing and wait for the house to take action or they can amend the house bill and pass it.

Amending the house bill is the best course of action for the country since we know for a fact that the house can not pass anything weaker than they already passed. And I doubt that Bohner is going to cross over and work with the Democrats on a clean bill. It would be suicide for himself personally.

The best course if the Senate to 'fix' the bill to their liking and then have a conference where they compromise and come up with a bill that can pass both chambers.

That is how nearly all bills are passed.
 
Love the conservatives like CAD on this board pretend like they really give a rats ass about fiscal responsibility and small government.

You lost all credibility when you voted for GWB, twice. The conservatives are the REASON we are in this mess right now. All financial experts agree that the Bush tax cuts and useless Iraq war are largely to blame for the mess we are in now.

That being said, compromise is the only solution. I can guarantee you that if the conservatives like CAD and his tea party ilk are unwilling to negotiate a deal here that Obama will invoke the 14th, raise the debt ceiling on his own accord, with zero spending cuts accompanying it. Ultimately we'll get nothing and the country will be worse off for it. A big part of maturity is realizing that you can't always get everything you want, certainly not in government.
 
GuitarDaddy said:
Cerimonial BS with zero chance of passage and every one knows it. Gotta love how the President and Speaker of the house both said the bill was unpassable and DOA so Boehner makes it worse and does these the "in yo face" dance like he hit a home run.
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The Reid bill is DOA too. So how are the Democrats any better?
 
senseamp said:
You are simply delusional. Once government goes into shutdown, if any Republican is blocking a bill in the Senate, the whole GOP will get the blame.
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His being forced to invoke the 14th because the GOP-led House can't get out of its own way is one nail in the Republican coffin.

The second would be the inevitable impeachment hearings that would follow. Said impeachment has zero chance of conviction, and would drive home the public idea that Republicans love wasting time and taxpayer money impeaching Democratic presidents.

Worse for the GOP, impeachment would burn the image in the public consciousness and the media of the Republicans pursuing their insane anti-Obama vendetta while the economic crisis continues to escalate.

No, failure to extend the debt ceiling is a disaster for the GOP. It proves that the Tea Party to which they are enslaved is exactly what everyone has been claiming: ideologically-driven zealots who care more about hating Obama and liberals than doing good for the country.
 
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