Bill Frist to back bill supporting stem cell research

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I really don't understand where you are coming from Tab.

Are you calling ownage because a Republican is voting his conscious on this issue rather than simply being part of the Borg?

Is that what you expect out of your representatives? All think alike, vote alike, and support the same things or they get "owned?"

Or is this just another example of "The stupid, evil, monkey looking fundamentalist President that has managed to whip my parties ass in the last 2 elections has some dissent from his party."

Please explain.

Yeaup, that's exactly it. :roll:

 

[Deudalus]

Ahh, so its hardcore bitterness and contempt 🙁

 

[johnnobts]

when will people learn that capitalism is the better solution than government funding?

this reminds me of the whole ethanol debate, and how both republicans and democrats are cozying up to corn-growers mandating more ethanol, but the bottom line is that ethanol is not a super-miracle fuel, there's not enough of it, and there never will be. If ethanol was the magic fuel of the future, the private sector would have been jumping on the ethanol bandwagon like crazy.

in the same way, embryonic stem cell research has shown no real results (while ADULT STEM CELL research has!). If embryonic stem cell research was the big answer, we'd have more private companies investing in the science. But we don't.

not to mention that there are a number of us crazys out there who don't feel comforatble with our tax dollars being used in something we consider to be morally questionable... like the president, who has promised to veto such legislation.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
when will people learn that capitalism is the better solution than government funding?

this reminds me of the whole ethanol debate, and how both republicans and democrats are cozying up to corn-growers mandating more ethanol, but the bottom line is that ethanol is not a super-miracle fuel, there's not enough of it, and there never will be. If ethanol was the magic fuel of the future, the private sector would have been jumping on the ethanol bandwagon like crazy.

in the same way, embryonic stem cell research has shown no real results (while ADULT STEM CELL research has!). If embryonic stem cell research was the big answer, we'd have more private companies investing in the science. But we don't.

not to mention that there are a number of us crazys out there who don't feel comforatble with our tax dollars being used in something we consider to be morally questionable... like the president, who has promised to veto such legislation.

I disagree with this assessment. The reason private companies haven't funded it is not because it won't solve anything, but rather it will take a lot of research to get to that point, and even then, they're not CERTAIN that something may come about. Embryonic stem cells are much more versatile than adult stem cells, meaning they can be used in any case (while adult cells are more limited).

If you were a publicly traded company, your obligation is to the shareholders, not to society's benefit. There is little incentive to throw 10-15 years into a completely unknown project and possibly not get any benefit.

Basically, private companies don't fund this because it takes too long to develop, and hasn't been worked with long enough to develop techniques usable by the industry. There is no incentive for them to pioneer the research, rather, they'd prefer to pioneer an actual product.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
when will people learn that capitalism is the better solution than government funding?

this reminds me of the whole ethanol debate, and how both republicans and democrats are cozying up to corn-growers mandating more ethanol, but the bottom line is that ethanol is not a super-miracle fuel, there's not enough of it, and there never will be. If ethanol was the magic fuel of the future, the private sector would have been jumping on the ethanol bandwagon like crazy.

in the same way, embryonic stem cell research has shown no real results (while ADULT STEM CELL research has!). If embryonic stem cell research was the big answer, we'd have more private companies investing in the science. But we don't.

not to mention that there are a number of us crazys out there who don't feel comforatble with our tax dollars being used in something we consider to be morally questionable... like the president, who has promised to veto such legislation.

I suggest you google on NEGATIVE EXTERNALITY, PUBLIC GOOD and MARKET FAILURE. Interesting economic concepts that make your argument 100% incorrect...

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
when will people learn that capitalism is the better solution than government funding?

this reminds me of the whole ethanol debate, and how both republicans and democrats are cozying up to corn-growers mandating more ethanol, but the bottom line is that ethanol is not a super-miracle fuel, there's not enough of it, and there never will be. If ethanol was the magic fuel of the future, the private sector would have been jumping on the ethanol bandwagon like crazy.

in the same way, embryonic stem cell research has shown no real results (while ADULT STEM CELL research has!). If embryonic stem cell research was the big answer, we'd have more private companies investing in the science. But we don't.

not to mention that there are a number of us crazys out there who don't feel comforatble with our tax dollars being used in something we consider to be morally questionable... like the president, who has promised to veto such legislation.

I find bombing Iraqis moral objectionable and we spend $300B on it. The nation on a whole finds the spending on stems cells perfectly fine (check the polls), and CA just passed a huge spending bill on it (yea blues states). So you bible thumpers can take your hypocrital views on life and keep them in church.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Has anyone else heard reports from pro-life groups that they won't support Frist if he does this?

Since when does pro-life = anti-science?

Since Republicans rule.

 

[Harvey]

As a doctor, Frist is a quack and a disgrace to real doctors. He claimed to have "diagnosed" Terri Schiavo's condition by viewing a few minutes of video tape, but he ignored the opinions of all of the medical specialists who had attended her for years.

As a politician, he's just a two faced hack political hypocrite pandering himself for votes.

WHAT A TURD! :|

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey
As a doctor, Frist is a quack and a disgrace to real doctors. He claimed to have "diagnosed" Terri Schiavo's condition by viewing a few minutes of video tape, but he ignored the opinions of all of the medical specialists who had attended her for years.

As a politician, he's just a two faced hack political hypocrite pandering himself for votes.

WHAT A TURD! :|

Don't you think he's doing the right thing here, especially since it goes against the policies of Bush?

Frist is fairly well known for his charitable medical work in other countries, including war-torn Sudan. He's risked his life to save the lives of others. Aside from the Schiavo case (which I didn't even care to follow), you still consider him a "quack" of a doctor?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Harvey
As a doctor, Frist is a quack and a disgrace to real doctors. He claimed to have "diagnosed" Terri Schiavo's condition by viewing a few minutes of video tape, but he ignored the opinions of all of the medical specialists who had attended her for years.

As a politician, he's just a two faced hack political hypocrite pandering himself for votes.

WHAT A TURD! :|

Don't you think he's doing the right thing here, especially since it goes against the policies of Bush?

Frist is fairly well known for his charitable medical work in other countries, including war-torn Sudan. He's risked his life to save the lives of others. Aside from the Schiavo case (which I didn't even care to follow), you still consider him a "quack" of a doctor?

He's doing the right thing in this case, but he's still a quack. His position on Terri Schavio was completely dumbfounded.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Harvey
As a doctor, Frist is a quack and a disgrace to real doctors. He claimed to have "diagnosed" Terri Schiavo's condition by viewing a few minutes of video tape, but he ignored the opinions of all of the medical specialists who had attended her for years.

As a politician, he's just a two faced hack political hypocrite pandering himself for votes.

WHAT A TURD! :|

Don't you think he's doing the right thing here, especially since it goes against the policies of Bush?

Frist is fairly well known for his charitable medical work in other countries, including war-torn Sudan. He's risked his life to save the lives of others. Aside from the Schiavo case (which I didn't even care to follow), you still consider him a "quack" of a doctor?

Obviously, he's a Republican.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Harvey
As a doctor, Frist is a quack and a disgrace to real doctors. He claimed to have "diagnosed" Terri Schiavo's condition by viewing a few minutes of video tape, but he ignored the opinions of all of the medical specialists who had attended her for years.

As a politician, he's just a two faced hack political hypocrite pandering himself for votes.

WHAT A TURD! :|

Don't you think he's doing the right thing here, especially since it goes against the policies of Bush?

Frist is fairly well known for his charitable medical work in other countries, including war-torn Sudan. He's risked his life to save the lives of others. Aside from the Schiavo case (which I didn't even care to follow), you still consider him a "quack" of a doctor?

Obviously, he's a Republican.

Gotcha. What was I thinking? 😕

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Harvey
As a doctor, Frist is a quack and a disgrace to real doctors. He claimed to have "diagnosed" Terri Schiavo's condition by viewing a few minutes of video tape, but he ignored the opinions of all of the medical specialists who had attended her for years.

As a politician, he's just a two faced hack political hypocrite pandering himself for votes.

WHAT A TURD! :|

Don't you think he's doing the right thing here, especially since it goes against the policies of Bush?

Frist is fairly well known for his charitable medical work in other countries, including war-torn Sudan. He's risked his life to save the lives of others. Aside from the Schiavo case (which I didn't even care to follow), you still consider him a "quack" of a doctor?

He's doing the right thing in this case, but he's still a quack. His position on Terri Schavio was completely dumbfounded.

Again, who gives a crap about the Schiavo case? The media made a blitz of it, and everyone fell in line, from both parties. This is why I make a point not to ever watch news on TV (except for "OMGWTFHAPPENED Breaking News of course). The net has so much more of what people need and a lot less of the crapola from CNN, FOX, etc.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Harvey
As a doctor, Frist is a quack and a disgrace to real doctors. He claimed to have "diagnosed" Terri Schiavo's condition by viewing a few minutes of video tape, but he ignored the opinions of all of the medical specialists who had attended her for years.

As a politician, he's just a two faced hack political hypocrite pandering himself for votes.

WHAT A TURD! :|

Don't you think he's doing the right thing here, especially since it goes against the policies of Bush?

Frist is fairly well known for his charitable medical work in other countries, including war-torn Sudan. He's risked his life to save the lives of others. Aside from the Schiavo case (which I didn't even care to follow), you still consider him a "quack" of a doctor?

He's doing the right thing in this case, but he's still a quack. His position on Terri Schavio was completely dumbfounded.

Again, who gives a crap about the Schiavo case? The media made a blitz of it, and everyone fell in line, from both parties. This is why I make a point not to ever watch news on TV (except for "OMGWTFHAPPENED Breaking News of course). The net has so much more of what people need and a lot less of the crapola from CNN, FOX, etc.

The only programs on TV that I reguarly watch are The Daily Show, Conan and Jay Leno. The first reports the news in a satarical sense, but that's not the point. The net has much more to offer and generally has more far stretched opinions. That can be a good or a bad thing...

The point is Bill Frist made a diganoses based on internet video of the women. He's a fruit.

 

[chambersc]

WHY IS FLIP-FLOPPING BAD!

WHY, AFTER CAREFUL DELIBERATION OF NEWLY ACQUIRED EVIDENCE, IS CHANGING ONES POSITION ON A MATTER FLIP-FLOPPING!

WHY MUST ONE STUBBORNLY GO DOWN WITH THE SHIP!

 

[Hacp]

Guys stop bashing the guy and just be glad he is in favor of this. Backing stem cell research is a good thing.

 

[BoberFett]

n/m

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
n/m

Actually what is stunning is to see the Reps being brave enough to go against their Leader. The Reps have long been out to eat their own who haven't fit his ideals.

Frist must have looked at Bush, and saw an aging political beast and decided he was weak enough to start challenging him to make a name for himself. I don't know if that is wise enough, because I think Bush has enough teeth and strength to attack his status as the Republican packs alpha male.

At some point that will happen, and the pack will turn on him and kill him politically if needed, but that's ok. It's that Darwinism Reps love so much in action.

Todays Republicans are remarkable predatory animals and fun to watch.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Don't you think he's doing the right thing here, especially since it goes against the policies of Bush?

Of course, he's doing the right thing in this case. Since he's a real MD, that only further rases the question of why he did the wrong thing by whoring out his principles and caving into Bush's brainless pandering to the pinhead wannbe Christian Taliban in the first place.

Frist is fairly well known for his charitable medical work in other countries, including war-torn Sudan. He's risked his life to save the lives of others. Aside from the Schiavo case (which I didn't even care to follow), you still consider him a "quack" of a doctor?

There is no "aside from the Schiavo case." Frist stood before the United States Senate and the American people and cited his his own medical credentials when he pronounced his "professional diagnosis" of her condition based on nothing more than a few seconds of video tape. He, when he got lambasted by the public, including harsh cricism by other MD's, he tried to back away from his own words and claim it wasn't a "diagnosis."

The guy's a political whore with a medical education. If he's a good doctor, he should go back to doing that instead of selling out the best interests of the country, and (if he is to be believed, now) his own conscience, to promote a lame political agenda. :|

Originally posted by: zendari
Obviously, he's a Republican.

So, do you want us to believe that all Republicans are sellout political whores or just the ones currently in office? :shocked:

As cynical as I am about politics and politicians, I don't want to believe that there are NO Republicans (or Democrats) left without a conscience. 🙁

 

[Hacp]

As cynical as I am about politics and politicians, I don't want to believe that there are NO Republicans (or Democrats) left without a conscience. 🙁

John Macain!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre
Don't you think he's doing the right thing here, especially since it goes against the policies of Bush?

Of course, he's doing the right thing in this case. Since he's a real MD, that only further rases the question of why he did the wrong] thing by whoring out his principles and caving into Bush's brainless pandering to the pinhead wannbe Christian Taliban in the first place.

Frist is fairly well known for his charitable medical work in other countries, including war-torn Sudan. He's risked his life to save the lives of others. Aside from the Schiavo case (which I didn't even care to follow), you still consider him a "quack" of a doctor?

There is no "aside from the Schiavo case." Frist stood before the United States Senate and the American people and cited his his own medical credentials when he pronounced his "professional diagnosis" of her condition based on nothing more than a few seconds of video tape. He, when he got lambasted by the public, including harsh cricism by other MD's, he tried to back away from his own words and claim it wasn't a "diagnosis."

The guy's a political whore with a medical education. If he's a good doctor, he should go back to doing that instead of selling out the best interests of the country, and (if he is to be believed, now) his own conscience, to promote a lame political agenda. :|

Originally posted by: zendari
Obviously, he's a Republican.

So, do you want us to believe that all Republicans are sellout political whores or just the ones currently in office? :shocked:

As cynical as I am about politics and politicians,

I don't want to believe that there are NO Republicans (or Democrats) left without a conscience. 🙁

Oh come on, it was a great PR campaign and made lots of money for a lot of people.

The family is multi-millionaires now from Book deals and Movie deals and I'm sure the Republicans got a cut of the money under the table.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bamacre
Don't you think he's doing the right thing here, especially since it goes against the policies of Bush?

Of course, he's doing the right thing in this case. Since he's a real MD, that only further rases the question of why he did the wrong] thing by whoring out his principles and caving into Bush's brainless pandering to the pinhead wannbe Christian Taliban in the first place.

Frist is fairly well known for his charitable medical work in other countries, including war-torn Sudan. He's risked his life to save the lives of others. Aside from the Schiavo case (which I didn't even care to follow), you still consider him a "quack" of a doctor?

There is no "aside from the Schiavo case." Frist stood before the United States Senate and the American people and cited his his own medical credentials when he pronounced his "professional diagnosis" of her condition based on nothing more than a few seconds of video tape. He, when he got lambasted by the public, including harsh cricism by other MD's, he tried to back away from his own words and claim it wasn't a "diagnosis."

The guy's a political whore with a medical education. If he's a good doctor, he should go back to doing that instead of selling out the best interests of the country, and (if he is to be believed, now) his own conscience, to promote a lame political agenda. :|

Originally posted by: zendari
Obviously, he's a Republican.

So, do you want us to believe that all Republicans are sellout political whores or just the ones currently in office? :shocked:

As cynical as I am about politics and politicians, I don't want to believe that there are NO Republicans (or Democrats) left without a conscience. 🙁

I don't want to believe it either, but yet that is just what I do. The only way out now is to dissolve both parties, and that can't happen.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Hacp

As cynical as I am about politics and politicians, I don't want to believe that there are NO Republicans (or Democrats) left without a conscience. 🙁

John Macain!

Nope! If he still had his in tact, he wouldn't have backed Bushwhacko for President. They did the same kind of smear camaign on him, questioning his patriotism, as they did to Kerry Max Cleland, a quadraplegic war vet, and Kerry through the Swift Liars. This from a pissant twerp who couldn't manage to put in his full time to fulfill in his own AF Reserve commitment.

In doing so, McCain sold out every wounded vet with the guts to stand up and oppose any part of the Bushwhackos' political agenda. 🙁

I have a little hope for Joe Biden. 🙂

 

[Hacp]

He didn't question Kerry at all. All he did was back Bush because he was in the republican party. I agree that smashing Kerry was a bad thing, but Bush needs to do something at least, since the Media does all the smashing for the Dems 🙂. Mccain is still LEGIT! He even admits to instances when he backs a bill because someone donated a huge amount of money to his campain. I wouldn't ever see Bush do that.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Hacp
He didn't question Kerry at all.

No, but he still backed Bush, even after his tepid, inadequate attempt to distance himself from the Swift Liars.

All he did was back Bush because he was in the republican party.

And in doing so, he sold out his conscience to a political POS like Bush, even though the Bush ops used the same kind of smear tactics on him.

That's just more of the same politis as usual, and it is defiintely NOT consistant with the principles on which this nation was founded. It's time for something much better if this country is going to stand a chance of surviving. :|