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ch33zw1z

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TheVrolok said:
This has gotta be the biggest Starbuck implosion of all time, he's just blabbering at this point. Still won't address his clear misrepresentation of whataboutism despite it being pointed out numerous times in this very thread. Wonder why.
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It's certainly odd. Whaboutism typically involves two actual misdeeds. In this case, there's a conspiracy theory based on the appearance of impropriety, and his assertion is that someone pointing out about brazenly blatant impropriety is just falling back to whataboutism.

Instead, it seems flailing about with ad hominens, name calling, and more words carrying definitions from his personal dictionary.

But oh well, as long as his feels are all ok.
 
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More Trump DOJ corruption in plain sight.

Trump calls for all cases stemming from Mueller probe to be 'thrown out'

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Trump calls for all cases stemming from Mueller probe to be 'thrown out'

U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday called for all cases stemming from Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election to be "thrown out" and suggested he could bring a lawsuit over the matter. Trump made the comments hours before a telephone
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ch33zw1z

ch33zw1z

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HomerJS said:
More Trump DOJ corruption in plain sight.

Trump calls for all cases stemming from Mueller probe to be 'thrown out'

www.yahoo.com

Trump calls for all cases stemming from Mueller probe to be 'thrown out'

U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday called for all cases stemming from Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election to be "thrown out" and suggested he could bring a lawsuit over the matter. Trump made the comments hours before a telephone
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Yea, whattabout billary
 
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Jhhnn

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HomerJS said:
More Trump DOJ corruption in plain sight.

Trump calls for all cases stemming from Mueller probe to be 'thrown out'

www.yahoo.com

Trump calls for all cases stemming from Mueller probe to be 'thrown out'

U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday called for all cases stemming from Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election to be "thrown out" and suggested he could bring a lawsuit over the matter. Trump made the comments hours before a telephone
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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Oh, no, Donnie. We've only just begun. Once you're out of office you'll think you checked in to room 1408.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
A President should not interfere with the Justice Department period, nor should a President pardon or otherwise influence the investigation or sentencing of federal persons of interest.
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Then why do you keep apologizing for Trump's ongoing interference in the Justice Dept by saying bothsides and whatabout Clinton?

Assuming you are acting in good faith, how do you propose we fix this problem with you standing in the way?
 
Starbuck1975

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Vic said:
Then why do you keep apologizing for Trump's ongoing interference in the Justice Dept by saying bothsides and whatabout Clinton?

Assuming you are acting in good faith, how do you propose we fix this problem with you standing in the way?
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You are welcome to quote where I apologized for Trump.

Both Clintons deserve all of the criticism they receive. Trump deserves all of the criticism he receives. I can exist in a world where both those things are true.

I am not standing in the way. From where I am standing, its the Clinton apologists who are in the way.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
Both Clintons deserve all of the criticism they receive. Trump deserves all of the criticism he receives. I can exist in a world where both those things are true.
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You certainly can, it's just not this world. It's bizarre how you can't see the difference in degree.
 
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TheVrolok said:
You certainly can, it's just not this world. It's bizarre how you can't see the difference in degree.
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He's been a Trump apologist in many discussions, even when Trump is obviously lying, like the Census question & expedited entry thru customs.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
You are welcome to quote where I apologized for Trump.

Both Clintons deserve all of the criticism they receive. Trump deserves all of the criticism he receives. I can exist in a world where both those things are true.

I am not standing in the way. From where I am standing, its the Clinton apologists who are in the way.
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You appear to fail to understand the issue here. Whataboutism is the use of past wrongdoing (real or perceived) from 'one side' in order to apologize for and/or justify current wrongdoing for 'the other side.' For example, someone says something to the effect of, it's wrong that Trump is interfering with the DoJ, and another person responds with, well whatabout when Clinton did it? for the purpose of ensuring that nothing is done about either party's wrongdoing.
And to be clear, YOU are the person here saying, well whatabout Clinton. As such, you are very much standing in the way. Every bothsider is, regardless of party. Bothsidesing only exists to apologize for political corruption, using the emotional illogic that political wrongdoing is acceptable and should be tolerated, because bothsides do it.
 
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Vic said:
You appear to fail to understand the issue here. Whataboutism is the use of past wrongdoing (real or perceived) from 'one side' in order to apologize for and/or justify current wrongdoing for 'the other side.' For example, someone says something to the effect of, it's wrong that Trump is interfering with the DoJ, and another person responds with, well whatabout when Clinton did it? for the purpose of ensuring that nothing is done about either party's wrongdoing.
And to be clear, YOU are the person here saying, well whatabout Clinton. As such, you are very much standing in the way. Every bothsider is, regardless of party. Bothsidesing only exists to apologize for political corruption, using the emotional illogic that political wrongdoing is acceptable and should be tolerated, because bothsides do it.
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The thread title is about Clinton. It doesn’t get any clearer.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
It is this world, which is why she lost
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It's amazing that you still don't understand what whataboutism is. Yes, she lost, and a large part was a chronic disinformation campaign with significant whataboutism. The problem is, much of it was complete bullshit and quite a bit more not comparable in degree. You, however, apparently refuse to accept any nuance (I strain to use the word) whatsoever.

The emotional flailing is pretty hilarious. You've really devolved in this one.
 
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TheVrolok said:
It's amazing that you still don't understand what whataboutism is. Yes, she lost, and a large part was a chronic disinformation campaign with significant whataboutism. The problem is, much of it was complete bullshit and quite a bit more not comparable in degree. You, however, apparently refuse to accept any nuance (I strain to use the word) whatsoever.

The emotional flailing is pretty hilarious. You've really devolved in this one.
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That’s a lot of rationalization.

I’ll make this easy for you. What’s the thread title?
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
You are welcome to quote where I apologized for Trump.

Both Clintons deserve all of the criticism they receive. Trump deserves all of the criticism he receives. I can exist in a world where both those things are true.

I am not standing in the way. From where I am standing, its the Clinton apologists who are in the way.
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I don't trust the Clintons on many things but here's what we know. Bill met with the AG at the time, full stop. What happened? We don't know but if you think there were shens, then so be it because there's not much that can be proven.

Deserving all the criticism they get? Not at all because the criticism isn't about the appearance of a conflict of interest, but that Hillary is a criminal, that she sold our uranium to Russia and "lock her up" is heard far and wide.

So Bill and Hillary? In the grand scheme of thing let's say that she deserves a parking ticket at most and likely Bill ought to get that.

Trump should get the penalty for murder as he killed the Republic.


There is no real equivalence.
 
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