Bill Clinton met with AG Loretta Lynch privately in Phoenix

[Hayabusa Rider]

Bill brokered that the Clinton Foundation emails wouldn't be released till 2018.

Whether that holds depends on many things which we cannot know at this time. If there's no evidence of impropriety then I expect that will be the case. If however evidence comes to light that the Foundation was used illegally then all bets are off. Obama may be protective of Hillary for party sake, but I don't think he want's to be "the president who willingly protected criminals". His legacy is too important.

We'll see.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bill brokered that the Clinton Foundation emails wouldn't be released till 2018.

You know that how, exactly?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Do you wonder why bill did the same thing to Ted Cruz? Do you ever wonder why bill engages with protesters at a rally?

In Lynch's case he was likely just seeing someone who he had previously nominated to serve as the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York and had since managed to work her way up to AG because the opportunity happened to arise.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In Lynch's case he was likely just seeing someone he had previously nominated to serve as the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York and since managed to work her way up to AG because the opportunity happened to arise.

For the sake of argument I'm going to assume Bill is as intelligent and situationally aware politically as I am. That's a minimum standard. Under the current circumstances I know that any such visit has the potential to "poison the well" in terms of the impartiality of Lynch. I find it hard to imagine that Bill is less aware of consequences politically, supremely naive in fact, than I am and it screams "this will screw things up nicely". He should have known better unless his intent was to sabotage Lynch. Not a way to treat an old friend.

 

[Phynaz]

You know, that has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen.

Makes you wish there was a minimum IQ level required to vote, doesn't it?

 

[Jhhnn]

For the sake of argument I'm going to assume Bill is as intelligent and situationally aware politically as I am. That's a minimum standard. Under the current circumstances I know that any such visit has the potential to "poison the well" in terms of the impartiality of Lynch. I find it hard to imagine that Bill is less aware of consequences politically, supremely naive in fact, than I am and it screams "this will screw things up nicely". He should have known better unless his intent was to sabotage Lynch. Not a way to treat an old friend.

Or maybe neither took the conspiracy theory faction into account at the time.

"How will this look to the fringewhacks?" probably wasn't a consideration.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

For the sake of argument I'm going to assume Bill is as intelligent and situationally aware politically as I am. That's a minimum standard. Under the current circumstances I know that any such visit has the potential to "poison the well" in terms of the impartiality of Lynch. I find it hard to imagine that Bill is less aware of consequences politically, supremely naive in fact, than I am and it screams "this will screw things up nicely". He should have known better unless his intent was to sabotage Lynch. Not a way to treat an old friend.

So if he's that savvy, and indeed there was something nefarious about this meeting, why did it take place completely out in the open?

 

[buckshot24]

I wonder if the FBI is talking about grandchildren with Hillary today?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So if he's that savvy, and indeed there was something nefarious about this meeting, why did it take place completely out in the open?

Because it isn't about Bill or Hillary. It's about the AG meeting and giving the appearance of impropriety on the part of Lynch. You can't taint something if it's not known about. Now whether this was intended this way matters not, but in any case Clinton knew or should have known better if no ill intent was meant.

In short it's hard for me to imagine with all his years in politics that he didn't grasp consequences of actions simply because of his prominence.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I wonder if the FBI is talking about grandchildren with Hillary today?

Well whatever the topic she was "pleased" to have discussed it:

"Secretary Clinton gave a voluntary interview this morning about her email arrangements while she was Secretary," Nick Merrill, a campaign spokesman, said in the statement. "She is pleased to have had the opportunity to assist the Department of Justice in bringing this review to a conclusion. Out of respect for the investigative process, she will not comment further on her interview."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-email-investigation-pleased
Prison is obviously imminent.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Or maybe neither took the conspiracy theory faction into account at the time.

"How will this look to the fringewhacks?" probably wasn't a consideration.

Relative has access to political candidates primary potential adversary in private. Nope, no one would think that odd. Maybe I have been overestimating Bill, but I don't think so. He knew or should have known.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well whatever the topic she was "pleased" to have discussed it:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-email-investigation-pleased
Prison is obviously imminent.

"No, I am not going to discuss this with investigators. GTFO".

Regardless of her feelings on the matter it's hard to imagine a clever lady like Hillary going for the second choice. That's more Trumps style.

 

[buckshot24]

Well whatever the topic she was "pleased" to have discussed it:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-email-investigation-pleased
Prison is obviously imminent.

Haha, I'm sure she was absolutely tickled.

 

[buckshot24]

Or maybe neither took the conspiracy theory faction into account at the time.

"How will this look to the fringewhacks?" probably wasn't a consideration.

The fringe isn't the only ones who have a problem with this.

 

[Artdeco]

Or maybe neither took the conspiracy theory faction into account at the time.

"How will this look to the fringewhacks?" probably wasn't a consideration.

Dude, look at any major media outlet, it's not the fringewacks... you seem to live in a bubble.

 

[emperus]

Dude, look at any major media outlet, it's not the fringewacks... you seem to live in a bubble.

nypost?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Dude, look at any major media outlet, it's not the fringewacks... you seem to live in a bubble.

Getting outside the bubble which is P&N it appears that Hillary isn't the victim of the Great Republican Conspiracy alone. Granted the "birther" thing was incredibly stupid, but people who aren't part of that are wondering what the heck she was thinking. Her emails show that others who were properly vetted would manage .gov accounts, but nope. Security protections were rejected, and that leaves her open to questions about her priorities. It appears that Hillary put herself above her office in this regard. Perhaps that's not illegal, I don't know, but it's damning evidence of improper priorities.

What will have legs is if her computer was hacked and any defense related materials were accessed. He ass is up for the taking at that point. Not morally, but legally. Of course all that remains to be seen.

 

[Jhhnn]

nypost?

They try sometimes to be legit. This isn't one of them.

 

[Artdeco]

Name a major media outlet, I'll find you an article, bubble boy.

 

[TheGardener]

Obama and Clinton definition of transparency. We can do anything we want, unethical or even illegal, and we don't care who knows about it.

The Republican Congress doesn't want to rock the boat.

 

[emperus]

Getting outside the bubble which is P&N it appears that Hillary isn't the victim of the Great Republican Conspiracy alone. Granted the "birther" thing was incredibly stupid, but people who aren't part of that are wondering what the heck she was thinking. Her emails show that others who were properly vetted would manage .gov accounts, but nope. Security protections were rejected, and that leaves her open to questions about her priorities. It appears that Hillary put herself above her office in this regard. Perhaps that's not illegal, I don't know, but it's damning evidence of improper priorities.

Most people outside of tech people have no clue about the details of this issue. I think it may be more an issue of how rapidly technology has changed in the last 20 years than anything. Plus I don't believe anything super sensitive is probably sent via email.

What will have legs is if her computer was hacked and any defense related materials were accessed. He ass is up for the taking at that point. Not morally, but legally. Of course all that remains to be seen.

I think she was definitely trying to control who saw what emails and prevent FOIA requests. But beyond that, what is the hoopla about this issue?

 

[emperus]

Obama and Clinton definition of transparency. We can do anything we want, unethical or even illegal, and we don't care who knows about it.

The Republican Congress doesn't want to rock the boat.

Doesn't want to rock the boat? What? put down whatever you are smoking. I believe the Repub congress had about 6 investigations into Benghazi alone. And you can go through the litany of BS issues they've investigated.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Most people outside of tech people have no clue about the details of this issue. I think it may be more an issue of how rapidly technology has changed in the last 20 years than anything. Plus I don't believe anything super sensitive is probably sent via email.



I think she was definitely trying to control who saw what emails and prevent FOIA requests. But beyond that, what is the hoopla about this issue?

Anyone holding a government post has the responsibility to keep certain information secure. Note that this isn't only about willful actions. According to the Espionage Act, whoever does not use due diligence to prevent access to defense related information and there is a subsequent compromise of that information is liable to fine and/or 10 years imprisonment. The reason is that lack of care or disregard of such information can still harm the nation. If one were to leave something on a desk that a violation of the Act, but if your carelessness results in someone else gaining access then yep you are in trouble. Hillary had opportunities to take advantage of .gov secured access. She decided otherwise by creating her own accounts on an server known to be unsecured. Considering that others approached her on this issue it's going to be hard to dismiss her disregard.

The physical location of the server IMO is not relevant, but the security if national defense related data is.

Again not using due diligence isn't illegal as far as I can tell, but if that leads to a security breach then the neck is in the noose.

 

[emperus]

Name a major media outlet, I'll find you an article, bubble boy.

So let me ask you then. In the worst case scenario, what do you think happened on that plane? And let's ask the same about Hilary Clinton, in the worst case scenario, what do you think her motivation for the separate server was?

I think the optics were wrong. But so what? Lynch works and was appointed by a Democratic president whom she sees everyday. If she were going to tank the case, do you think Clinton meeting with her on the plane would be the impetus?

So much hypocrisy here.

Ex. Someone here argued, when there is smoke there's fire. Does that extend to Donald Trump as well? Do you also believe that because 2 DA's dumped their respective fraud cases and then received donations from Trump that they were Bribed?

Another Example, someone here said that it was shady that the FBI was trying to have the emails released after the election (whether that is true or not), do you think Judge Curiel should not only release the depositions from Trumps trial but also schedule the trial before the election?

 

[emperus]

Anyone holding a government post has the responsibility to keep certain information secure. Note that this isn't only about willful actions. According to the Espionage Act, whoever does not use due diligence to prevent access to defense related information and there is a subsequent compromise of that information is liable to fine and/or 10 years imprisonment. The reason is that lack of care or disregard of such information can still harm the nation. If one were to leave something on a desk that a violation of the Act, but if your carelessness results in someone else gaining access then yep you are in trouble. Hillary had opportunities to take advantage of .gov secured access. She decided otherwise by creating her own accounts on an server known to be unsecured. Considering that others approached her on this issue it's going to be hard to dismiss her disregard.

The physical location of the server IMO is not relevant, but the security if national defense related data is.

Again not using due diligence isn't illegal as far as I can tell, but if that leads to a security breach then the neck is in the noose.

No one is arguing she wasn't careless. My point is, there was no breach(we would have seen some by now) and the emails weren't Top Top Secret.

And for the record, I don't agree with her setting up the server and am not really a fan of hers.