Bill Clinton met with AG Loretta Lynch privately in Phoenix

[Jhhnn]

lol Who doesn't believe that story?

Oh, right. Everybody.

Obviously they are strategerizing. I can't be surprised or really upset. Almost all of us know that Obama is never going to indict Hillary. Most of us understand there isn't really a practical path to such indictment, under any President. So probably she's just making sure the Clintons are telling the same details that she intends to tell. Worst case, she has uncovered something unignorable regarding the Clinton Family Foundation and is meeting privately (i.e. with no document trail) to let him know they need to revise some filing or statement to make it innocuous and/or legal so that the FBI can discover their own "error". More likely she's nearing completion and is briefing Bill so that the Hillary camp is prepared with their best spin.

What a magnificent load of steaming bullshit.

 

[zinfamous]

This morning when hearing about this, I said to myself: "What idiot is going to post this on P&N today as some sort of faux scandal?"

And here we are. And here this thread goes.

Next Bill Clinton will be seen taking a dump, and accused of sending his shit off to Saudi Arabia to help restock their carbon load for their fossil fuel futures.

 

[zinfamous]

Can you not be a hack for 5 minutes.

 

[zinfamous]

What a magnificent load of steaming bullshit.

come on man, you can do better.

 

[Starbuck1975]

This morning when hearing about this, I said to myself: "What idiot is going to post this on P&N today as some sort of faux scandal?"

And here we are. And here this thread goes.

Next Bill Clinton will be seen taking a dump, and accused of sending his shit off to Saudi Arabia to help restock their carbon load for their fossil fuel futures.

But what you should of said was, "what was Clinton thinking meeting behind closed doors with Lynch while the FBI investigation is still looming over the campaign."

That is the disconnect here and it has nothing to do with vast right wing conspiracies. It has to do with conflict of interest, perceived or otherwise.

It is unfortunate that advocates of the Clintons immediately dismiss as conspiracy the response to the very behaviors the Clintons exhibit that fuel the conspiracies to begin with.

 

[Moonbeam]

So the conspiracy theorists need to prove nothing while non-conspiracy theory believers need to prove a negative.

Or belief in conjecture as fact is as rational as refusal to engage in it.

Or you're having a great time leading the fools onward.

A reasonable person will use his or her own judgment to determine what looks reasonable and what does not. What looks reasonable or not isn't conspiratorial. It is the opposite of that. You see conspiracy because you are conspiratorial. Any sane person knows that something may look fishy and not be, but it will still look fishy and that is something to avoide. People don't trust politicians and for good and bad reasons. Maintaining public trust is a duty one owns to ones country, one that your immoral partisanship helps to destroy, by turning a blind eye to the obvious. Shame on you.

 

[Jhhnn]

But what you should of said was, "what was Clinton thinking meeting behind closed doors with Lynch while the FBI investigation is still looming over the campaign."

That is the disconnect here and it has nothing to do with vast right wing conspiracies. It has to do with conflict of interest, perceived or otherwise.

It is unfortunate that advocates of the Clintons immediately dismiss as conspiracy the response to the very behaviors the Clintons exhibit that fuel the conspiracies to begin with.

The disconnect is in your head in believing that there might be some looming menace to the Clintons in the email investigation. It's wishful thinking at this point, I figure. It's like Geraldo Rivera opening Al Capone's vault.

 

[blankslate]

Assuming all Clinton/Lynch talked about was grandkids,weather,etc . It didn't need to be private. At the very least it was stupid judgement by Clinton and Lynch. Clinton's wife is midway thru an election year and also under FBI investigation. How in the hell does this help his wife?

It doesn't help his wife.

As someone else mentioned previously he was probably feeling out the situation to see if he could get some strange.


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[Jhhnn]

A reasonable person will use his or her own judgment to determine what looks reasonable and what does not. What looks reasonable or not isn't conspiratorial. It is the opposite of that. You see conspiracy because you are conspiratorial. Any sane person knows that something may look fishy and not be, but it will still look fishy and that is something to avoide. People don't trust politicians and for good and bad reasons. Maintaining public trust is a duty one owns to ones country, one that your immoral partisanship helps to destroy, by turning a blind eye to the obvious. Shame on you.

It's not partisan on my part to recognize gossipy conjecture and innuendo for what it is.

Bad optics? Only to those wearing bullshit smeared goggles.

 

[buckshot24]

IF Bill was going to do something, don't you think he'd do it, oh, I dunno, via a phone call that no one would know about, rather than in public in front of everyong? You guys are grasping at straws. The ONLY evidence you have is two people met. Oh, and of course, if Hillary isn't indicted, you'll use that as the smoking gun. Give me a break.

If Bill wanted to not cause an appearance of impropriety then he shouldn't have met with Lynch at all. Maybe Bill just wanted to feel out how seriously he should campaign for his wife, and wanted a heads up.

 

[kage69]

Lynch is know on both sides as a no nonsense law enforcement officer. If Bubba tried to bring it up she would cut it off.

That's pretty much how I see it, given what I know of the lady. She definitely has my respect. What I'd give to see her and Elizabeth Warren go on a cleaning spree, to give our warped system a much needed cleansing of bad actors and criminals. Oh it would be glorious.

Regardless, that doesn't mean Bill didn't try to angle his powers of persuasion and status as "first black president" to passively lobby for Hillary. I expect he did. While being respectful around Lynch's integrity and reputation, I'll wager his goal was to paint his and Hillary's work in a much different light than the stories of those she's used to prosecuting, maybe stress how she is a favorite target of a group they both consider... adversarial. Maybe he even spoke wistfully of possible future work on gun control, dangling that out there in the form of meandering optimism.

People who don't want to be held accountable tend to avoid using phones or other mediums that can afford others a copy of the communications they normally wouldn't be privy to. Sounds about right for a woman who scoffs at oversight, who doesn't feel her communications should be subject to the laws and regulations of her employer. Not sure I understand the mocking of a private meeting in person. If someone at the CIA or NSA wants to know what you're saying over a device, they will be listening in short order. It's usually a lot more difficult to prep an unknown site with eavesdropping devices on short notice. Just saying.

 

[werepossum]

That's pretty much how I see it, given what I know of the lady. She definitely has my respect. What I'd give to see her and Elizabeth Warren go on a cleaning spree, to give our warped system a much needed cleansing of bad actors and criminals. Oh it would be glorious.

Regardless, that doesn't mean Bill didn't try to angle his powers of persuasion and status as "first black president" to passively lobby for Hillary. I expect he did. While being respectful around Lynch's integrity and reputation, I'll wager his goal was to paint his and Hillary's work in a much different light than the stories of those she's used to prosecuting, maybe stress how she is a favorite target of a group they both consider... adversarial. Maybe he even spoke wistfully of possible future work on gun control, dangling that out there in the form of meandering optimism.

People who don't want to be held accountable tend to avoid using phones or other mediums that can afford others a copy of the communications they normally wouldn't be privy to. Sounds about right for a woman who scoffs at oversight, who doesn't feel her communications should be subject to the laws and regulations of her employer. Not sure I understand the mocking of a private meeting in person. If someone at the CIA or NSA wants to know what you're saying over a device, they will be listening in short order. It's usually a lot more difficult to prep an unknown site with eavesdropping devices on short notice. Just saying.

Given your opinion of Lynch, do you believe that she will indict Hillary?

 

[zinfamous]

But what you should of said was, "what was Clinton thinking meeting behind closed doors with Lynch while the FBI investigation is still looming over the campaign."

That is the disconnect here and it has nothing to do with vast right wing conspiracies. It has to do with conflict of interest, perceived or otherwise.

It is unfortunate that advocates of the Clintons immediately dismiss as conspiracy the response to the very behaviors the Clintons exhibit that fuel the conspiracies to begin with.

I agree, it does look stupid. But the default to "Clintons and conspiracy" is so predictable that it is beyond trite at this point. These two really can't clip their toenails without the squawk box scrambling for the clippings.

I'm not a Clinton advocate--from from it--but I tend to default to the more reasonable, typical assumptions when non-news blips like this explode into asinine assumptions. I'm not that familiar with Lynch, but I would assume that her age and position puts her at a timepoint where Bill probably appointed her to some federal position some x years ago as president? Do they know each other? Why wouldn't they be talking about kids or whatever?

 

[MiniDoom]

wait, Bill Clinton appointed Loretta Lynch to federal court and now she will decide to bring charges or not against his wife? how is this not a conflict of interest again?

 

[Artdeco]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/30/e...ease-clinton-foundation-emails-for-27-months/

And there it is...

 

[kage69]

Given your opinion of Lynch, do you believe that she will indict Hillary?

That would be a guess on my part, as I make no claim to be as fluent over the details as Lynch probably is. I haven't read any of Clinton's emails, for instance. I do know what the FBI released recently about her email is problematic, and speaks to clear intent. Which is why Hillary herself will only address the issue after she's done her standard routine of framing it all as a simple, absent minded goof of "using the wrong account."

I will say this; Bill doing this is hardly just simple coincidence, and I don't think it speaks well to Hillary's position if they see cause enough to do it. Even someone with integrity will be feeling the immense pressure from both sides, but I expect she is likely doing what the FBI did - not sacrificing thoroughness for the sake of other people's urgency or priorities. In a nutshell, I hope so.

What a cycle. Both candidates have that Nixon-esque "I'll do wtf ever I want peasants!" quality to them, as untrustworthy as they are imperious.

 

[kage69]

wait, Bill Clinton appointed Loretta Lynch to federal court and now she will decide to bring charges or not against his wife? how is this not a conflict of interest again?

For establishment politics, 'conflict of interest' often means 'business as usual.'

USSC 2000 anyone?

 

[buckshot24]

I will say this; Bill doing this is hardly just simple coincidence, and I don't think it speaks well to Hillary's position if they see cause enough to do it.

This is what I was thinking as well. If Bill thought he should talk with her then his wife could be in hotter water than she's been letting on about. I think this is good news if you want to see Hillary indicted.

 

[Jhhnn]

That would be a guess on my part, as I make no claim to be as fluent over the details as Lynch probably is. I haven't read any of Clinton's emails, for instance. I do know what the FBI released recently about her email is problematic, and speaks to clear intent. Which is why Hillary herself will only address the issue after she's done her standard routine of framing it all as a simple, absent minded goof of "using the wrong account."

I will say this; Bill doing this is hardly just simple coincidence, and I don't think it speaks well to Hillary's position if they see cause enough to do it. Even someone with integrity will be feeling the immense pressure from both sides, but I expect she is likely doing what the FBI did - not sacrificing thoroughness for the sake of other people's urgency or priorities. In a nutshell, I hope so.

What a cycle. Both candidates have that Nixon-esque "I'll do wtf ever I want peasants!" quality to them, as untrustworthy as they are imperious.

What did the FBI release about the email probe, specifically?

 

[Moonbeam]

It's not partisan on my part to recognize gossipy conjecture and innuendo for what it is.

Bad optics? Only to those wearing bullshit smeared goggles.

I have made no gossipy conjectures or inuendo as to what was discussed. I have no idea. The meeting was private. My beef with you is that you seen totally unable to see the optics for what they are, easily open to negative interpretation and because you are a partisan fool. You simply denigrate anybody who can see that the meeting can be seen in a bad light. Have a look at post 54 where eskimospy calls the meeting bad judgment. Appearances are what they are. Try to stay real.

 

[FerrelGeek]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. The problem is that in her position, she HAS to care. That's what comes with her job. Actions speak volumes, dear boy. A former boss of mine used to pound this phrase into us during our department meetings - we were the project management office for our product development group. '"Perception is reality". I hated that statement back then and I still hate with a bloody passion. The thing is, it's truth. She screwed up by meeting with him like that. It's just that simple. She was either stupid or has no respect for maintaining the integrity of her office. This is why my loathing for the DC elites is increasing by the day - irrespective of what letter comes after their name.

Or maybe she doesn't care what the looney tunes think.

You might want to read up on Lynch before making scurrilous accusations-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Lynch

 

[PokerGuy]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/30/e...ease-clinton-foundation-emails-for-27-months/

And there it is...

Yep, there it is. Now we have a pretty good idea what was discussed...... Unless you think it's just another one of those happy coincidences

 

[werepossum]

That would be a guess on my part, as I make no claim to be as fluent over the details as Lynch probably is. I haven't read any of Clinton's emails, for instance. I do know what the FBI released recently about her email is problematic, and speaks to clear intent. Which is why Hillary herself will only address the issue after she's done her standard routine of framing it all as a simple, absent minded goof of "using the wrong account."

I will say this; Bill doing this is hardly just simple coincidence, and I don't think it speaks well to Hillary's position if they see cause enough to do it. Even someone with integrity will be feeling the immense pressure from both sides, but I expect she is likely doing what the FBI did - not sacrificing thoroughness for the sake of other people's urgency or priorities. In a nutshell, I hope so.

What a cycle. Both candidates have that Nixon-esque "I'll do wtf ever I want peasants!" quality to them, as untrustworthy as they are imperious.

Thanks for the thoughtful answer, and I very much agree with your summary of this election cycle. Whichever of these horrible people are crowned, it will be without my vote.

This is what I was thinking as well. If Bill thought he should talk with her then his wife could be in hotter water than she's been letting on about. I think this is good news if you want to see Hillary indicted.

Or it's simply making sure what he thinks is happening actually is happening. Were his wife in serious danger of being indicted, I am sure someone would have warned the Clintons and Bill would have taken pains to hide the meeting. People typically are not this arrogant if they believe they have a real chance of being jailed or politically ruined.

Ethically, I think there is no pure way to want to see Hillary indicted without also wanting to see the Bushies indicted. I don't see how anyone supports making something a prosecutable crime if you do it all the time but not a crime when you only need to occasionally do it for political expediency. It's like declaring that murder should be prosecuted for serial killers but not prosecuted if one only kills the occasional person to avoid something scandalous leaking out. That's a matter of degree, not of kind - something that is properly raised in sentencing rather than in deciding prosecution. If it's illegal, then it should be illegal to ever do it, not just to always do it.

 

[werepossum]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. The problem is that in her position, she HAS to care. That's what comes with her job. Actions speak volumes, dear boy. A former boss of mine used to pound this phrase into us during our department meetings - we were the project management office for our product development group. '"Perception is reality". I hated that statement back then and I still hate with a bloody passion. The thing is, it's truth. She screwed up by meeting with him like that. It's just that simple. She was either stupid or has no respect for maintaining the integrity of her office. This is why my loathing for the DC elites is increasing by the day - irrespective of what letter comes after their name.

Exactly. If the Pubbies look cleaner, look more closely - they are just a bit more circumspect because they have a hostile mainstream press corp. Otherwise they are two sides of the same coin. And the faces of that coin are rapidly evolving to the point that they no longer care what is the perception.

 

[MongGrel]

Can you not be a hack for 5 minutes.

You do it non stop, what's your point ?