BIGGEST IN E-GAMING: DOTA 2 Tourny @ ONE MILLION euro prize!

[Zeze]

Nothing about this? It's all over the gaming community:

http://www.dota2.com/

*16 best DOTA teams have been play testing beta competitively for awhile
*You can watch the live cast in multiple languages
*Valve + Icefrog = a highly polished game
*Game is slated to be released later this year

There's a lot of rumble in Heroes of Newerth and League of Legend community. They're scared as hell.

 

[Anubis]

meh, never cared for dota

 

[darkewaffle]

I hope this whole genre of game dies soon, it's so boring and tired. Far as "e-sports" go it's analogous to chess by mail.

 

[Beev]

Unless DotA2 revolutionizes the genre I'm not going to bother with it, and I'm a huge Valve fan.

I'm so sick of DotA. The game hasn't changed in years, and now stupid crap like HoN and LoL are competing with it, and NONE of them are any damn good and are all just knockoffs of each other.

 

[Dumac]

DotA genre is the worst genre of competitive gaming.

 

[Zeze]

the hell is up with dota hate?

 

[Juddog]

DOTA is a love it or hate it type of game. A lot of people hate it, but there is still a lot of love for it for some people, especially in Europe.

Personally I tried LoL and HoN and wasn't that impressed with either, although I have strong leanings towards HoN now that it's patched & polished up quite a bit. I'll definitely pickup DOTA 2 when it comes out.

 

[Schfifty Five]

On that link, it says $1M USD, not euros.

 

[KaOTiK]

Like the game/genre, hate the community that it spawns.

 

[Spikesoldier]

never picked up DOTA/LoL, probably going to pass on this one as well.

 

[Beev]

the hell is up with dota hate?

I've played it plenty, along with its variations, and the game just isn't worth the time put into it. I play lots of games (even bad ones), and by definition games are a waste of time, but DotA is just a complete waste of my time and nothing else.

 

[Zeze]

I've played it plenty, along with its variations, and the game just isn't worth the time put into it. I play lots of games (even bad ones), and by definition games are a waste of time, but DotA is just a complete waste of my time and nothing else.

Did you buy lifesteal on Windrunner and got flamed by everyone where you rage quit?

Dota has incredible depth. It takes quite a few weeks to learn all heroes, mechanics, juking, last hit/deny, memorize all spells to know when to engage/not, teamwork, warding, etc.

 

[Arsinek]

the hell is up with dota hate?

Its called group think. Happens a lot on teh interwebz.

 

[Beev]

Did you buy lifesteal on Windrunner and got flamed by everyone where you rage quit?

Dota has incredible depth. It takes quite a few weeks to learn all heroes, mechanics, juking, last hit/deny, memorize all spells to know when to engage/not, teamwork, warding, etc.

Nope, I actually got pretty good with Magina (I think that was his name) during my couple of year off and on stint with the genre. Everyone's opinions are different, it's not like I think you're an idiot for liking it . The genre doesn't take as much skill as you think, though.

Half of the "features" exist because of limitations of the War3 engine. For example, last hitting/deny'ing ONLY exists because that's just how it is in War3. If they could have programmed it to be fair, they would have, and now everyone is used to it being a "feature," so it stays.

 

[sm625]

Half of the "features" exist because of limitations of the War3 engine. For example, last hitting/deny'ing ONLY exists because that's just how it is in War3. If they could have programmed it to be fair, they would have, and now everyone is used to it being a "feature," so it stays.

Last hitting is a general feature of all MMOs. If you have 5 people all trying to kill something, they all tend to try and be the one who gets the killshot. The only way around this is to dumb it down ala WoW where you cant attack an npc if someone else is already engaged. But that is stupid and artificially limits the mmo concept. If you're on a team then the team can decide how they want to handle this in their own way. At any rate I dont see how it has anything to do with WC3's engine. They could have easily made each minion kill split the gold like the xp is split, even if no champ got a last hit. But that didnt happen. I dont know why exactly but I think it is best the way it is.

 

[Beev]

Last hitting is a general feature of all MMOs. If you have 5 people all trying to kill something, they all tend to try and be the one who gets the killshot. The only way around this is to dumb it down ala WoW where you cant attack an npc if someone else is already engaged. But that is stupid and artificially limits the mmo concept. If you're on a team then the team can decide how they want to handle this in their own way. At any rate I dont see how it has anything to do with WC3's engine. They could have easily made each minion kill split the gold like the xp is split, even if no champ got a last hit. But that didnt happen. I dont know why exactly but I think it is best the way it is.

That is not a normal feature for MMO's... Pretty much every MMO used the rule of "whoever does the most damage gets the kill," which is exactly how it should be. WoW just dumbed it down so that you could basically call dibs on a mob.

The reason the War3 engine works that way is mainly because it didn't matter. Through the campaign you were the only one killing anything, and creeping wasn't a huge, huge deal in multiplayer, and it was mostly done for the xp.

 

[CurseTheSky]

DotA was a great game back in the day, but the "uber elite" community has ruined the game in my eyes. There are far too many rules and "no-nos" to keep track of. IMO, if it's not part of the game engine's mechanics (Warcraft III originally), then consider it as "anything goes." Otherwise you're just on the honor system, which is silly considering that there are: a) people that have lives outside of video games and can't keep track of all new rules and changes, and b) people that use hacks to circumvent game mechanics anyway, so why would they care about some rule put in place but not solidly enforced? That's not to mention the fact that the game community is completely noob-unfriendly, meaning that even if I wanted to get back into the game now, there's a horrible, steep learning curve to be faced.

For the record, around 2005-2006ish (IIRC), I was quite good at DotA. Not good enough to go to tournaments or anything, but currently good enough to win about 8 out of 10 matches that I played, so long as the rest of the team were at least decent. Hearing the "Godlike" kill streak announcement over and over was always nice. Magina and the Troll Warlord were my favorites, or the Phantom Lancer if I needed a good pusher for a quick game.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Community of Dota ruined itself. It was retarded when you would go onto WC3 and 99.99% of everything was Dota, all of them run by douchebags.

Unless it's amazing, probably won't get into it.

 

[TheUnk]

I'm going to watch some, not because it's a tourny with huge prize money, but just to finally see the game. The amount could have been $10 for all I care, with noobs playing, I would still watch it.

If they had done this a few months after release, assuming I'm a player/fan of the game, then the tournament / amount might interest me a lot more.

I'll probably watch a round or two and then be done with it and just sit quietly waiting for release day.

I'm just not that interested in a tournament for something I know basically nothing about, except that it's a new dota game.

 

[Red Storm]

Am I uncool for not knowing what DOTA is other than it starting as a WC3 mod?

 

[Zeze]

I'm going to watch some, not because it's a tourny with huge prize money, but just to finally see the game. The amount could have been $10 for all I care, with noobs playing, I would still watch it.

If they had done this a few months after release, assuming I'm a player/fan of the game, then the tournament / amount might interest me a lot more.

I'll probably watch a round or two and then be done with it and just sit quietly waiting for release day.

I'm just not that interested in a tournament for something I know basically nothing about, except that it's a new dota game.

The gameplay is a 1:1 carbon copy of current Dota 1 in Warcraft. They're preserving their gameplay that's been polished over 3-5 years.

What's new in 2 you ask?
-New engine + graphics
-A completely new platform supporting matchmaking, reconnects, ranking, etc

So if you're familiar with Dota 1, you should know what's going on in the tourny and therefore enjoy it a lot.

 

[Zeze]

Nope, I actually got pretty good with Magina (I think that was his name) during my couple of year off and on stint with the genre. Everyone's opinions are different, it's not like I think you're an idiot for liking it . The genre doesn't take as much skill as you think, though.

Half of the "features" exist because of limitations of the War3 engine. For example, last hitting/deny'ing ONLY exists because that's just how it is in War3. If they could have programmed it to be fair, they would have, and now everyone is used to it being a "feature," so it stays.

Dota does have lots of depth. What limitations of a War engine? Now I realize you are trashing it while know zero about the game. It's okay if you at least know how the game works.

In the super competitive scene (MyM, Na'vi teams), laning phase reign supreme as to how good you are. It's amusing to watch deny & last hit each other, animation cancel, cancel backswing, fake front swing, etc. What does this have anything to do with 'limitation'?

I play CS quite well. It's a game that's easy to get into and hard to master. Once you play for few hours, you get a grasp of what's going on.

Not the same for DOTA. Too many heroes with different roles (pusher, ganker, carry, tank, nuker, warder, etc). You really have to familiarize yourself with 103 heroes.

It's similar to Starcraft too (except it's a team game). You gotta know the right builds, multitask your builds, micro like hell, macro well, know counters, etc.

Man, at least dislike something after you know what the game is about.

 

[Zeze]

Community of Dota ruined itself. It was retarded when you would go onto WC3 and 99.99% of everything was Dota, all of them run by douchebags.

Unless it's amazing, probably won't get into it.

I don't believe there are 'special' group of people for DOTA that are douchebags.

It's the game's very design that turn people into douches, why? Because if you are a noob, you can single-handedly ruin the whole game for rest 9 (since it's a team game in an irreversible set match).

Also throw in internet's finest trolls that die on purpose, you end up with a bitter community with no tolerance for noobs. You can't blame them.

This unique design doesn't exist or is as devastating in other games (counterstrike, WOW, SC, name any FPS).

 

[TheUnk]

The gameplay is a 1:1 carbon copy of current Dota 1 in Warcraft. They're preserving their gameplay that's been polished over 3-5 years.

What's new in 2 you ask?
-New engine + graphics
-A completely new platform supporting matchmaking, reconnects, ranking, etc

So if you're familiar with Dota 1, you should know what's going on in the tourny and therefore enjoy it a lot.

Ah ok. I only played Dota1 one time long after it has been out, then saw LoL and switched to that.

 

[Zeze]

Ah ok. I only played Dota1 one time long after it has been out, then saw LoL and switched to that.

Then you should be able to watch this and enjoy, as they're all similar.

I wonder how LOL will fare after DOTA2 is in full swing.

I'm not into this whole LOL vs Dota vs HON silliness, but it is entertaining to see S2 and Riot crapping their pants with Valve throwing money at their sequel.