Originally posted by: CChaos
Originally posted by: Ornery
You're going to be walking a lot, driving a creaky old VW. HTF would that thing do on emission tests today, ya hypocrite?
Did somebody mention a VW besides me? I can't imagine that this is addressed to my comment about the Golf TDI. I'm talking about a 2004 Golf TDI with a diesel engine that will get 40-50mpg for 300,000 miles. You can buy one right now so I think it's safe to say they pass emissions. Also, I'm not sure where I ever made a statement about my views on emissions or SUVs. I've just pointed out some facts when people make terrible arguments that have nothing to do with the issue at hand.
For instance, pointing out the efficiency of a German V8 or inline 6. This is a country that loves the diesel engine and produces the 50mpg Golf. Or worse yet, even bringing up a German car in this discussion of what we're building here in North America. Buy your gargantuan SUVs if you want, but don't expect me to jump up and down because it gets 20mpg when it only got 8-10mpg 20 years ago. This just won't impress me.
Also, I took the high road here, but I guess that was lost on most people. Rather than counter Viper by pointing out the V8 with the worst mileage and picking two 4 cylinders with the best, I stuck to the real issue here, which is automotive trends. Jesus, the guy posted 3 niche vehicles.
Let's face it. People want more power, that's why big engines are back. Don't believe me? Ask Ornery:
"I'd give up 25% of the mileage my current car gets, if I could replace the engine with something with more guts. And I don't mean bolting a turbo or blower on it either. "
EDIT: I keep forgetting to address Supertool. I can't help but think that you didn't read the whole thread, and thus missed the point of my choosing those particular vehicles. I guess you didn't read the article either or you could probably figure it out for yourself. Viper thought he would show just how efficient V8s can be by comparing one to two different 4 bangers. I pointed out that this article was about automotive trends, not about picking a few cars that support a theory. The cars I posted are what people are actually buying and driving. So if you want to compare a V8, take an F150 because people bought 1 million of them last year. And if you want to compare some 4 bangers, take the Camry and Accord because they also sold like mad. If you have some other axe to grind that's find, but it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. So say V8s are more efficient than ever, that's fine. But let's not compare a V8 to a 4-cylinder and still pretend at the end of the day that we're rational men.