Big donors are the key to Obama's record haul

ProfJohn

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Looks like another Obama facade is coming down. The idea that he is being fueled by small money donations. A full third of his money has come from people giving $1000 or more. He has raised more money via large donations than Hillary and McCain combined.

All this talk about a campaign for the people is just that, talk. And his pledge to not take money from lobbyists is a bunch of BS as well. At least 130 of his bundlers are lawyers from law firms with lobbying arms. And another 100 are top executives or brokers from investment businesses. Obama can claim to not talk money from the lobbyists themselves, but he is taking money from everyone else associated with them.

I wonder how much of this story will get into the mainstream American press.
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In an effort to cast himself as independent of the influence of money on politics, Senator Barack Obama often highlights the campaign contributions of $200 or less that have amounted to fully half of the $340 million he has collected so far.

But records show that a third of his record-breaking haul has come from donations of $1,000 or more - a total of $112 million, more than the total of contributions in that category taken in by either Senator John McCain, his Republican rival, or Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, his opponent in the Democratic primaries.

Behind those large donations is a phalanx of more than 500 Obama "bundlers," fund-raisers who have each collected contributions totaling $50,000 or more. Many of the bundlers come from industries with critical interests in Washington. Nearly three dozen of the bundlers have raised more than $500,000, including more than a half-dozen who have passed the $1 million mark and one or two who have exceeded $2 million, according to interviews with fund-raisers.

While his campaign has cited its volume of small donations as a rationale for his decision to opt out of public financing for the general election, Obama has worked to build a network of big-dollar supporters from the time he began contemplating a run for the U.S. Senate.

He tapped into well-connected people in Chicago before the 2004 Senate race, and, once elected, set out across the country starting in 2005 to cultivate some of his party's most influential money collectors.

He courted them with the savvy of a veteran politician, through phone calls, meals and one-on-one meetings; he wrote thank-you cards and remembered birthdays; he sent them autographed copies of his book and doted on their children.

The fruit of his efforts has put Obama's major donors on a pace that almost rivals the $147 million that President George W. Bush's Pioneer and Ranger network raised in $1,000-and-larger contributions in 2004 during the primary season.

Given his decision not to accept public financing, Obama is counting on his bundlers to help him raise $300 million for his campaign for the general election and another $180 million for the Democratic National Committee.

An analysis of campaign finance records shows that about two-thirds of his bundlers are concentrated in four major industries: law, securities and investments, real estate and entertainment. Lawyers make up the largest group at about 130, with many working for firms that also have lobbying arms. At least 100 Obama bundlers are top executives or brokers from investment businesses - nearly two dozen work for financial titans like Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and Citigroup. About 40 others come from the real-estate industry.

The biggest fund-raisers include people like Julius Genachowski, a former senior official at the Federal Communications Commission and a technology executive who is new to big-time political fund-raising; Robert Wolf, president and chief operating officer of UBS Investment Bank; James Torrey, a New York hedge fund investor; and Charles Rivkin, an animation studio head in Los Angeles.

"It's fairly clear that this is being packaged as an extraordinary new kind of fund-raising, and the Internet is a new and powerful part of it," said Michael Malbin, executive director of the Campaign Finance Institute. "But it's also clear that many of the old donors are still there and important."

The care and feeding of top Obama fund-raisers underscores their significance to his campaign. Members of his National Finance Committee who fulfill their commitment to raise at least $250,000 are being rewarded with trips to the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

Finance committee members participate in biweekly conference calls with top campaign officials. The fund-raisers meet quarterly, often with Obama dropping in. He lingered after the meeting last month in Chicago, telling his staff he wanted to thank every person in the room. Some fund-raisers who knocked on doors for Obama in places like Iowa, Pennsylvania and Indiana got to spend time with Obama backstage before and after speeches on primary nights.

His fund-raisers invariably say their support for him is not rooted in any kind of promise of access but in their belief in him.

"This is about Barack Obama and changing the direction of our country," said Jonathan Perdue, a business consultant in Mill Valley, California, who has raised more than $250,000 for Obama's campaign.

Obama has pledged not to accept donations from federally registered lobbyists or political action committees. But some top donors clearly have policy and political agendas. Hedge fund executives, for example, have bundled large sums for Obama at a time their industry has been looking to increase its clout in Washington.
 

Cuda1447

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Everybody takes donations from anyone they can get them from. Obama is no different than any other candidate thats run for president in the last 30 years.
 

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Everybody takes donations from anyone they can get them from. Obama is no different than any other candidate thats run for president in the last 30 years.

 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I love how "Republicans" get upset that Obama is playing their game....

their game? Whose game? The Republicans game? Its a politics game and doesn't belong to anybody, neither party is to blame, they both suck equally.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I love how "Republicans" get upset that Obama is playing their game....
I thought Obama claimed to be different though...

One reason Obama is doing poorly in the polls is that people are starting to see through this false facade that he built up about being a different type of politician. Once they do that they realize that he is an extreme liberal with very little experience.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I love how "Republicans" get upset that Obama is playing their game....

their game? Whose game? The Republicans game? Its a politics game and doesn't belong to anybody, neither party is to blame, they both suck equally.

When those who whine about it gets the tag.....

These days - it's "republicans" casting off those mighty tears....
 
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Presidential campaigns are betting contests and Obama is a damn good bet for September. Of course he's getting the big money thrown his way.

I don't know why people are even shocked by this anymore. That sort of thing has been going on since long before any of us in here were even born.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I love how "Republicans" get upset that Obama is playing their game....
I thought Obama claimed to be different though...

One reason Obama is doing poorly in the polls is that people are starting to see through this false facade that he built up about being a different type of politician. Once they do that they realize that he is an extreme liberal with very little experience.

In your mind you may see that - others may see it as time to cast off the sad promises of the failed "republican" - "leadership."
 

OrByte

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sounds like he is raising a ton of dough.

I bet McCain wishes he could raise that much money!
 

Vic

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Heh. Does PJ mean in comparison to McCain getting almost all of his money from large donations? McCain's average donation size is ~$350 compared to Obama's ~$70.

Is this just a joke, PJ, or are you insulting our intelligence? Serious question.
 

miketheidiot

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obama is massively out raising everything ever pretty much, not only does he have insane amounts of small donors (who have donated more than the large donors according to the article) so we shoudl expect him to be raising more money than either hillary or mccain.

The idea that he is being fueled by small money donations. A full third of his money has come from people giving $1000 or more. He has raised more money via large donations than Hillary and McCain combined.

Senator Barack Obama often highlights the campaign contributions of $200 or less that have amounted to fully half of the $340 million he has collected so far.

so if the 1/3 he raised from large donors is fueling his campaign, what is this bigger portion from smaller donaters doing? Also i'd love to see the ratio of large donor to small donor between the three campaigns mentioned, i noticed that they didn't bother with the actually numbers for two of them since their stats would probably shoot a hole right through this piece of garbage.
 

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Originally posted by: Vic
Heh. Does PJ mean in comparison to McCain getting almost all of his money from large donations? McCain's average donation size is ~$350 compared to Obama's ~$70.

Is this just a joke, PJ, or are you insulting our intelligence? Serious question.

ding ding ding
 

OrByte

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I just finished the article.

I think PJ is stretching with this one...as usual. All of his fund raising tactics described in the article are usual and customary. He still raised a huge sum from small contributions...a bigger sum than those contributions greater thank 1K. His campaign employs effective "bundlers."

I don't see anything out of the ordinary here other than BHO is raising a sh!tload of money, enough to make any other politician jealous.

Too bad Bill Clinton isn't running for Prez...it was much easier to sling mud at him.

Or maybe Al Gore.

Or John Edwards

I think the wingnuts are having a hard time finding things to stick with BHO. I think they know it too :)
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Vic
Heh. Does PJ mean in comparison to McCain getting almost all of his money from large donations? McCain's average donation size is ~$350 compared to Obama's ~$70.

Is this just a joke, PJ, or are you insulting our intelligence? Serious question.
Source??

And average is not a really good indicator. 1000 people send Obama $1 each while 9 send $1000 each for a total of $10,000. The average donation is only $10, but those 9 people make up the vast majority of his money.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Vic
Heh. Does PJ mean in comparison to McCain getting almost all of his money from large donations? McCain's average donation size is ~$350 compared to Obama's ~$70.

Is this just a joke, PJ, or are you insulting our intelligence? Serious question.
Source??

And average is not a really good indicator. 1000 people send Obama $1 each while 9 send $1000 each for a total of $10,000. The average donation is only $10, but those 9 people make up the vast majority of his money.

its like you don't get math or something. Did you read your own article? If you had, one would suspect that you had noticed that 1/2 of his money came from small donors.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Vic
Heh. Does PJ mean in comparison to McCain getting almost all of his money from large donations? McCain's average donation size is ~$350 compared to Obama's ~$70.

Is this just a joke, PJ, or are you insulting our intelligence? Serious question.
Source??

And average is not a really good indicator. 1000 people send Obama $1 each while 9 send $1000 each for a total of $10,000. The average donation is only $10, but those 9 people make up the vast majority of his money.

Try google. The only sources I can find are for June. The $68 per donor average for Obama seems certain, but McCain's numbers seem to range between $138 and up.

Your argument is silly though. What might be throwing your numbers off, PJ, is that out here on the Left Coast even the wealthiest are voting Democratic after the Bush debacle. Here in Portland, or in Seattle or SF, Obama signs are common even in front of large multi-million dollar estates, as they are in front of rented duplexes. So you got nothing.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: OrByte
I think the wingnuts are having a hard time finding things to stick with BHO. I think they know it too :)

yep. I keep looking forward to the pluses of a McCain presidency from them and it's tends to be this weak ejackulate.....

fap* BHO fap* Hussian fap* muslim fap* terrioist fap* fist jab *fab too skinny *fab too young *fap.....

fap. fap. fap.......




 

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Originally posted by: Vic
Your argument is silly though. What might be throwing your numbers off, PJ, is that out here on the Left Coast even the wealthiest are voting Democratic after the Bush debacle. Here in Portland, or in Seattle or SF, Obama signs are common even in front of large multi-million dollar estates, as they are in front of rented duplexes. So you got nothing.

The argument that if you are rich you are Republican is bullshit though.

Hollywood elites are very rich and very liberal by nature for example.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Deudalus
Originally posted by: Vic
Your argument is silly though. What might be throwing your numbers off, PJ, is that out here on the Left Coast even the wealthiest are voting Democratic after the Bush debacle. Here in Portland, or in Seattle or SF, Obama signs are common even in front of large multi-million dollar estates, as they are in front of rented duplexes. So you got nothing.

The argument that if you are rich you are Republican is bullshit though.

Hollywood elites are very rich and very liberal by nature for example.

I don't disagree. I'm just poking holes in the OP's argument. Except we don't have any Hollywood elites here in Portland, Seattle, or SF. They're in LA.

IMO though, the dividing line between Pub/Dem in this country is not rich vs. poor, as it is seemingly always framed, but rural vs. urban.
 

ProfJohn

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My argument??

My argument is that Obama claims to be different and yet every time we turn around we see he is no different than any other politician.

Obama's own words:?We have revolutionized how campaigns are financed at the small level,? ?The overwhelming bulk of donors are ordinary Americans, not fat cats.? Yet a third of his money comes from the fat cats.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
My argument??

My argument is that Obama claims to be different and yet every time we turn around we see he is no different than any other politician.

Obama's own words:?We have revolutionized how campaigns are financed at the small level,? ?The overwhelming bulk of donors are ordinary Americans, not fat cats.? Yet a third of his money comes from the fat cats.

but he's less not different than McCain.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
My argument??

My argument is that Obama claims to be different and yet every time we turn around we see he is no different than any other politician.

Obama's own words:?We have revolutionized how campaigns are financed at the small level,? ?The overwhelming bulk of donors are ordinary Americans, not fat cats.? Yet a third of his money comes from the fat cats.

So the 2/3 of ordinary Americans that make up the remainder of his contributions doesn't equal an "overwhelming bulk"? I know it's been asked about 8 times already, but what the hell are you arguing?

I can't tell if you even believe your own posts or just want to see people react to your nonsense.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
My argument??

My argument is that Obama claims to be different and yet every time we turn around we see he is no different than any other politician.

Obama's own words:?We have revolutionized how campaigns are financed at the small level,? ?The overwhelming bulk of donors are ordinary Americans, not fat cats.? Yet a third of his money comes from the fat cats.

The disconnect is strong with this one.