Big 3 quality from Consumer Reports

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: BoberFett
The Ram re-wrote the rules for truck styling.

Wat?

The current move towards slab-sided, big-rig inspired pickup designs all began with the F-150 redesign in 2004 that incorporated all the Kenworth styling cues. The big Rams started in 02, but the industry as a whole started moving that way after Ford did it...mainly because the big 3 will do with trucks what Ford does. The F-150 is a sales monster.

Umm the Ram started the "Big-Rig" styling back in '94.

This. Dodge started it first. Ford Followed. GM kinda did but not to the same extent.

Good job Ford on the quality part. GM, you're doing better, but keep working on it. Chrysler, um.... lol, no comment!

 

[yh125d]

Methinks theres a correlation between Ford's quite notable improvement ofer the last few years, and their presence in the European market

 

[ScoobMaster]

All I can add is "I'm lovin' my FUSION"

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: yh125d
Methinks theres a correlation between Ford's quite notable improvement ofer the last few years, and their presence in the European market

Well don't forget that a couple of years ago Ford got a lot of money from the goverment. It wasn't a bailout but you can be sure it saved them from needing any more. They also got their recent loan as well.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: yh125d
Methinks theres a correlation between Ford's quite notable improvement ofer the last few years, and their presence in the European market

Well don't forget that a couple of years ago Ford got a lot of money from the goverment. It wasn't a bailout but you can be sure it saved them from needing any more. They also got their recent loan as well.

Throwing a bunch of money at them isn't what improved their lineup. Being flush with cash is useless if you don't put in the right places, which I think Ford has done (and severely improved their image by doing so)

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Umm the Ram started the "Big-Rig" styling back in '94.

Arguable. They may have attempted it, but they certainly didn't pull it off until they introduced the hog-nosed look of the 2002s.

 

[LTC8K6]

GMAC is in trouble again and just asked for billions more to stay afloat...third bailout coming...

http://online.wsj.com/article/...html?mod=djemalertNEWS

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
GMAC is in trouble again and just asked for billions more to stay afloat...third bailout coming...

http://online.wsj.com/article/...html?mod=djemalertNEWS

GMAC != GM.

GM sold off 78% of GMAC back in 2006. Oddly enough, 51% of it was bought by Cerberus which just happened to buy Chrysler

 

[LTC8K6]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
GMAC is in trouble again and just asked for billions more to stay afloat...third bailout coming...

http://online.wsj.com/article/...html?mod=djemalertNEWS

GMAC != GM.

GM sold off 78% of GMAC back in 2006. Oddly enough, 51% of it was bought by Cerberus which just happened to buy Chrysler

"GMAC has $181 billion in assets and is a major financier for 15 million borrowers and thousands of General Motors and Chrysler car dealerships in the U.S."

 

[brblx]

Originally posted by: yh125d
Methinks theres a correlation between Ford's quite notable improvement ofer the last few years, and their presence in the European market

GM's just as global as ford, aren't they? they certainly have a presence in the european market, though i think the fords have got a lot more fans.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
GMAC is in trouble again and just asked for billions more to stay afloat...third bailout coming...

http://online.wsj.com/article/...html?mod=djemalertNEWS

GMAC != GM.

GM sold off 78% of GMAC back in 2006. Oddly enough, 51% of it was bought by Cerberus which just happened to buy Chrysler

"GMAC has $181 billion in assets and is a major financier for 15 million borrowers and thousands of General Motors and Chrysler car dealerships in the U.S."

It still doesn't make them part of GM.

They also have huge amounts of mortgages. Under the name Ally they're managing savings accounts and CDs.

GMAC is a struggling bank and there are plenty more of those than struggling auto companies.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Umm the Ram started the "Big-Rig" styling back in '94.

Arguable. They may have attempted it, but they certainly didn't pull it off until they introduced the hog-nosed look of the 2002s.

Attempted it??? That's what it was but think what you want.

 

[LTC8K6]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
GMAC is in trouble again and just asked for billions more to stay afloat...third bailout coming...

http://online.wsj.com/article/...html?mod=djemalertNEWS

GMAC != GM.

GM sold off 78% of GMAC back in 2006. Oddly enough, 51% of it was bought by Cerberus which just happened to buy Chrysler

"GMAC has $181 billion in assets and is a major financier for 15 million borrowers and thousands of General Motors and Chrysler car dealerships in the U.S."

It still doesn't make them part of GM.

They also have huge amounts of mortgages. Under the name Ally they're managing savings accounts and CDs.

GMAC is a struggling bank and there are plenty more of those than struggling auto companies.

Who said they were part of GM or even implied it? Where did you get that from? They are financing low quality cars and dealers trying to sell low quality cars, which is why I posted the article. Nothing to do with them being part of GM. Has to do with them financing GM/Chrysler cars and dealers and this being related to GMAC's woes.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: brblx

Originally posted by: yh125d
Methinks theres a correlation between Ford's quite notable improvement ofer the last few years, and their presence in the European market

GM's just as global as ford, aren't they? they certainly have a presence in the european market, though i think the fords have got a lot more fans.

In a sense, yes. GM currently owns Opel Saab and Vauxhall but all are being sold, and their domestic brands have almost no presence in Europe. GM has a presence in Europe, but it's not a big one and they're not really seen as much of a player in the European market, definitely not compared to the success Ford has had with the Mondeo, Focus, Ka, Fiesta, Transit, etc. Fors is actually the second largest car manuf in the european market, says wiki

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Just goes to show that no government bailout = WIN!

Should have just let both GM and Chrysler die and save the taxpayers money.

I'm not arguing that the government bailout was beneficial...but I don't see where government bailout has anything to do with reliability of cars over the last 10 years.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: yh125d
Methinks theres a correlation between Ford's quite notable improvement ofer the last few years, and their presence in the European market

??? They've been present (and popular) in the European market for a very long time.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: BoberFett
The Ram re-wrote the rules for truck styling.

Wat?

The current move towards slab-sided, big-rig inspired pickup designs all began with the F-150 redesign in 2004 that incorporated all the Kenworth styling cues. The big Rams started in 02, but the industry as a whole started moving that way after Ford did it...mainly because the big 3 will do with trucks what Ford does. The F-150 is a sales monster.

Umm the Ram started the "Big-Rig" styling back in '94.

What he said. Hell, the Dakota got that style in 97, years before the F150.

 

[LTC8K6]

Big Rig look:

http://www.dodgeconnection.com/LilRedInfo.html

 

[brblx]

big rig styling = the front fenders are lower and seperate from the hood. dodge first did that in 2002.

 

[LTC8K6]

Originally posted by: brblx
big rig styling = the front fenders are lower and seperate from the hood. dodge first did that in 2002.

Weren't all old pickups like that?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: brblx
big rig styling = the front fenders are lower and seperate from the hood. dodge first did that in 2002.

What the hell are you talking about? 19 fricking 94 was when the Ram was restyled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...0.932002_.28BR.2FBE.29

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Originally posted by: brblx
big rig styling = the front fenders are lower and seperate from the hood. dodge first did that in 2002.

Weren't all old pickups like that?

Way back in the day, most vehicles had hoods that tapered to the front and large separate fenders that were lower than the hood. By the 50s, most trucks were pretty much boxes on wheels.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: yh125d
Methinks theres a correlation between Ford's quite notable improvement ofer the last few years, and their presence in the European market

??? They've been present (and popular) in the European market for a very long time.

I know, my point was that as of recently Ford of America took some hints From Ford of Europe and they have since greatly improved

 

[StageLeft]

Everyone is wrong about the big rig styling. 1998, April 20th at 4:20 PM EST is exactly when Dodge started with the big rig styling.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

??? Ford was top ranked and GM if they listed the cars would probable do well when you remove the older cars that they are getting rid through Pontiac/Saturn.

Only "apologist" would be for Chrysler.


Of course Chrysler fans could point out how CR reports are not scientific amoung many other flaws with CR.

no saturn model is older than ~3 years. GM gave them the freshest lineup of any brand and they still didn't sell.



the US should invade germany for what merc did to chrysler.

Where did you get 3 years from???

"CR's reliability Ratings are based on our most recent annual survey reflecting 1.4 million vehicles and 10 model years."

i may have misinterpreted your statement that i bolded. i thought you were saying that saturn was selling older, less reliable platforms and so now that they've been set adrift those figures will come off.

further, predicted reliability is based on 3 years history:

This predicted-reliability score is based on a model's overall reliability for the latest three model years, provided that the 2010 version hasn't changed significantly

also, the brands GM has shed were apparently not counted for GM:

Following its bankruptcy filing and shedding the Hummer, Pontiac, and Saturn brands, GM now consists of Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, and GMC. Of the 48 models we surveyed from those brands, 20 had average scores, and only one, the Malibu V6 sedan, was better than average.

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
what's that, keep them alive?

it was actually the other way around. chrysler kept merc alive, then when merc decided to go back to being good they basically stopped investing in chrysler. what else would you call a decision to not compete in anything but the large car and full size truck market? merc did that after sucking chrysler dry.