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Commodus

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When the Omicron-oriented booster arrives, I'm leaping on it. It's still worth having a booster now if you haven't had one recently, but the updated shot will do so much to minimize the risk... still waiting on more data, but the current results are still much better than with existing vaccines.
 

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Polio Vaccine Effectiveness and Duration of Protection

The CDC says that 3 doses of Polio vaccine are 99% to 100% effective. I would say that 99%-100% is fairly effective. Are the CDC numbers incorrect?

I look at my children's immunization records and they both received 4 doses of Polio vaccine over a period of 5 years.

It's not sterilizing. The efficacy is measured against disease, not infection. There is a difference.
 

Brovane

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It's not sterilizing. The efficacy is measured against disease, not infection. There is a difference.

99%-100% effective seems fairly good to me. A lot better efficacy than the current vaccines we have against COVID.
 

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I've been very careful and I caught covid last week. The current variant is highly infectious. Fortunately my vaccine knocked it down to two days of mild fever and forced watching of about a year's worth of netflix in the last week.

I found I ran out of Netflix content during the lockdown.

Surprised that nobody has yet suggested that Netflix and Amazon together developed COVID in a lab in order to create a captive customer base.
 

nakedfrog

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Tylenol for a low-grade fever of 99.4º seems a bit excessive to me, but I'm also not in my 70s.
 

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I found I ran out of Netflix content during the lockdown.

Surprised that nobody has yet suggested that Netflix and Amazon together developed COVID in a lab in order to create a captive customer base.
I already had an HBO Max subscription because I wanted to watch the gay pirate show, so that provided me with some other options during my sick time on the couch :p
 

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Lifer
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99%-100% effective seems fairly good to me. A lot better efficacy than the current vaccines we have against COVID.

Again, efficacy isn't measured against infection but disease. Sterilizing immunity is preventing infection completely. Two entirely different concepts.

And this conversation is an example of what I originally mentioned. Best of luck in the wars to come ...
 
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Tylenol for a low-grade fever of 99.4º seems a bit excessive to me, but I'm also not in my 70s.

Tylenol/Advil is fine for low grade fever. And 99.4 might be "high" for him depending on his normal temp (not everyone is 98.6, I'm 97.4-ish myself). It's up to the comfort level of the patient.
 

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Tylenol/Advil is fine for low grade fever. And 99.4 might be "high" for him depending on his normal temp (not everyone is 98.6, I'm 97.4-ish myself). It's up to the comfort level of the patient.
I wasn't questioning the choice of medication, but the choice to medicate at all. Again, I'm not in my 70s, but personally I prefer to let the fever do what it's trying to do rather than fight it. I'd still consider even a 2.5º increase to be low-grade.
 

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Lifer
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I wasn't questioning the choice of medication, but the choice to medicate at all. Again, I'm not in my 70s, but personally I prefer to let the fever do what it's trying to do rather than fight it. I'd still consider even a 2.5º increase to be low-grade.

I know what you were questioning. Like I said, it's up to the comfort of the patient. There's no harm in taking Ibuprofen/acetaminophen (even in alternating cycles) to bring down a fever if it's bothering the patient, and the main benefit is that it can keep it from turning into a higher fever. Most people I know do that, and I can't recall an MD ever suggesting to "let it ride".
 

Brovane

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Again, efficacy isn't measured against infection but disease. Sterilizing immunity is preventing infection completely. Two entirely different concepts.

And this conversation is an example of what I originally mentioned. Best of luck in the wars to come ...

Best of luck to you.
 

nakedfrog

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I know what you were questioning. Like I said, it's up to the comfort of the patient. There's no harm in taking Ibuprofen/acetaminophen (even in alternating cycles) to bring down a fever if it's bothering the patient, and the main benefit is that it can keep it from turning into a higher fever. Most people I know do that, and I can't recall an MD ever suggesting to "let it ride".
Mayo Clinic good enough?

18 years and upUp to 102 F (38.9 C) taken orallyRest and drink plenty of fluids. Medication isn't needed. Call the doctor if the fever is accompanied by a severe headache, stiff neck, shortness of breath, or other unusual signs or symptoms.
 

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nakedfrog

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And yet here is a more descriptive answer (that is exactly same guidance as mayo) and exactly what I've been saying. Key words "not needed" "comfort" "not necessary". But very often suggested.

https://www.webmd.com/first-aid/fever-in-adults-treatment
The important difference between that and the Mayo Clinic link is this:
"A fever is a common sign of illness, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, fevers seem to play a key role in fighting infections. "
That's what I'm talking about.
 

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Lifer
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The important difference between that and the Mayo Clinic link is this:
"A fever is a common sign of illness, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, fevers seem to play a key role in fighting infections. "
That's what I'm talking about.

Studies show both sides being true. The ones with benefit for the fever are somewhat limited, and IIRC benefits are limited to bacterial sources. So if you believe some of the studies, and get a full panel/culture to identify the culprit as one that's indicated in said studies, ok. But no one does that unless they're already admitted and farther along than just taking OTC tylenol to feel better.
 

nakedfrog

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Well, I guess I've explained my opinion, and you've explained yours, we don't agree, and neither of us is really right or wrong.
 
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nickqt

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99.4 isn't a fever. That said tylenol will help with body aches and pain, and can help prevent a fever. A fever will make your body work harder, and when you're 80 years old, there's no reason for the patient's body to work harder if they have access to tylenol, which the POTUS definitely does. Cost-benefit of giving tylenol is pretty much only benefit unless there's some underlying allergy or liver issue.
 
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