Biden hints at Obama executive order (concerning guns)

[mizzou]

Go spend more money on stuff the NRA is making you believe will disappear. The corporations are not fat enough as it is.

 

[spidey07]

A thousand times this. No one in the administration has proposed a thing that would have prevented Holmes, or Sandy Hook. They're just blinded by their agenda of getting AR-15s out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

Or if they wanted to, I'm sure they could create a new license with additional restrictions that people like me would gladly voluntarily accept. If, for example, they brought back a form of the "kitchen table FFL", with no right to sell for profit a la C&R, I'd be willing to trade a number of things for it including random inspections, mental health screening, and a requirement to keep guns properly secured according to some policy.

That's what Obama is hoping. Throw out shit so outrageous that when people like you "compromise", his goal of even more gun control is implemented.

No Surrender. No Compromise. NO GUN CONTROL.

 

[TerryMathews]

Go spend more money on stuff the NRA is making you believe will disappear. The corporations are not fat enough as it is.

You are right, to some degree.

If Obama doesn't come through with some sort of gun control legislation, he will be the biggest gun salesperson in history.

 

[jstern01]

They said I could get a free car wash if I point a gun at the car wash attendant.

(Do not try this at home because this is not really what they said - but that is about as factual as most of Spidey's claims).

The real question, who decides someone is mentally fit to purchase or own a gun? The government? Aren't they the ones trying to take the guns away?

So you are back to the same issue. If mental health test is a criteria, who decides the criteria.

 

[TerryMathews]

That's what Obama is hoping. Throw out shit so outrageous that when people like you "compromise", his goal of even more gun control is implemented.

No Surrender. No Compromise. NO GUN CONTROL.

You and I disagree on this. I think you failed to understand my point. I didn't propose new gun control laws. I proposed a new class of FFL license.

 

[spidey07]

Go spend more money on stuff the NRA is making you believe will disappear. The corporations are not fat enough as it is.

This president has said he wants to BAN assault weapons and magainzes. While they won't dissappear, you certainly won't be able to purchase them.

Are you idiots not listening to what Obama is saying!!!!!!

 

[fskimospy]

Leftist moron spreading his shitty wings.

First you claim EO are used to clarify existing law. Then when faced with a law like that of deportation and an EO in direct contrast its now "well if you dont like it take him to court" . You have to be a fucking moron to think like this. There is a law for a reason. No matter how much you want your massiah to be all powerful by way of presidential decree he has to follow the law of the land. Not ignore the ones he doesnt like and require us to take him to court.

Sorry to hear you have functional literacy problems. I suggest you reread what I wrote. One part governed how EOs are commonly used, the other listed remedies for the other branches.

Not to mention that I'm not sure how you would have another solution that wasn't taking him to court.

Anyone else noticed that the correlation between phrase 'your messiah' and shitty posts is about 1:1?

 

[TerryMathews]

Sorry to hear you have functional literacy problems. I suggest you reread what I wrote. One part governed how EOs are commonly used, the other listed remedies for the other branches.

Not to mention that I'm not sure how you would have another solution that wasn't taking him to court.

Anyone else noticed that the correlation between phrase 'your messiah' and shitty posts is about 1:1?

You're right! I just found another one...

 

[Bowfinger]

Where in Biden's summary yesterday even hint at anything of mental health and culture of violence?

Nope, it's all about gun control and gun control only. You're so blinded by your partisan stupidity you aren't listening to what Obama and Biden are actually SAYING.

It's not from yesterday's statement. It's from the stated purpose of his task force. This is what's known as "context". Biden's remarks yesterday weren't intended to be the all-encompassing definitive statement of results. They were an off the cuff update on his task force, on his way to a meeting with violence victims. Again, context. Something the nutter propaganda machine conveniently omits when its trying to fuel the rage.

 

[irishScott]

The real question, who decides someone is mentally fit to purchase or own a gun? The government? Aren't they the ones trying to take the guns away?

So you are back to the same issue. If mental health test is a criteria, who decides the criteria.

The criteria is simple. Are you demonstrably a danger to yourself or others? There are acknowledged psychological tests for such mentalities. There should also be a system to appeal the psychologist's recommendation.

 

[irishScott]

Go spend more money on stuff the NRA is making you believe will disappear. The corporations are not fat enough as it is.

It disappeared before for 10 years, and the NRA had to fight to get the sunset clause as a compromise. This was also preceded by a mass shooting.

Is there a reason such a thing couldn't happen again?

 

[mizzou]

This president has said he wants to BAN assault weapons and magainzes. While they won't dissappear, you certainly won't be able to purchase them.

Are you idiots not listening to what Obama is saying!!!!!!

I don't need a fucking "assault rifle" in what the gov' will determine it to be. The ban, if there ever is one, will probably only affect a few select models or enhancements.

It's just NOT going to happen. Imagine the shit storm that would be created with "Obama's going to take your guns" general order. It's IMPOSSIBLE.

I own a AR 15 A2 that was created DURING the fucking assault weapon ban, and it's hardly different then a AR15 built today. The only real difference are cosmetic enhancements.

STOP BUYING INTO BULLSHIT PLEASE YOU ARE DESTROYING THE FIREARMS MARKET


(Not directed at you, just in general to those who are freaking out)

 

[spidey07]

It's not from yesterday's statement. It's from the stated purpose of his task force. This is what's known as "context". Biden's remarks yesterday weren't intended to be the all-encompassing definitive statement of results. They were an off the cuff update on his task force, on his way to a meeting with violence victims. Again, context. Something the nutter propaganda machine conveniently omits when its trying to fuel the rage.

What nutter propaganda machine?

The fear mongering is coming from the Obama administration. Are you not listening to what this admin is saying? All the liberals on this board apparently aren't listening to this president or biden.

Pay attention to what Obama and Biden are saying.

 

[TerryMathews]

I don't need a fucking "assault rifle" in what the gov' will determine it to be. The ban, if there ever is one, will probably only affect a few select models or enhancements.

It's just NOT going to happen. Imagine the shit storm that would be created with "Obama's going to take your guns" general order. It's IMPOSSIBLE.

I own a AR 15 A2 that was created DURING the fucking assault weapon ban, and it's hardly different then a AR15 built today. The only real difference are cosmetic enhancements.

STOP BUYING INTO BULLSHIT PLEASE YOU ARE DESTROYING THE FIREARMS MARKET


(Not directed at you, just in general to those who are freaking out)

Have you read the Feinstein proposal? They intend to defeat some of the workarounds this time, specifically thumb hole stocks and bullet button mag releases.

 

[spidey07]

I don't need a fucking "assault rifle" in what the gov' will determine it to be. The ban, if there ever is one, will probably only affect a few select models or enhancements.

It's just NOT going to happen. Imagine the shit storm that would be created with "Obama's going to take your guns" general order. It's IMPOSSIBLE.

I own a AR 15 A2 that was created DURING the fucking assault weapon ban, and it's hardly different then a AR15 built today. The only real difference are cosmetic enhancements.

STOP BUYING INTO BULLSHIT PLEASE YOU ARE DESTROYING THE FIREARMS MARKET

Obama has specifically said he wants an assault weapons ban and magazine ban. The magazine ban alone would affect most firearm owners, handgun included.

If you're content to have the government dictate what you own because "well, it won't affect me" then you're just another drone.

 

[corwin]

I don't need a fucking "assault rifle" in what the gov' will determine it to be. The ban, if there ever is one, will probably only affect a few select models or enhancements.

It's just NOT going to happen. Imagine the shit storm that would be created with "Obama's going to take your guns" general order. It's IMPOSSIBLE.

I own a AR 15 A2 that was created DURING the fucking assault weapon ban, and it's hardly different then a AR15 built today. The only real difference are cosmetic enhancements.

STOP BUYING INTO BULLSHIT PLEASE YOU ARE DESTROYING THE FIREARMS MARKET

You haven't been paying attention, check out the list good ole Diane Feinstein has setup for what constitutes an "assault rifle"...and just because you BOUGHT yours during the ban doesn't mean it was MADE during the ban.

And thank you but I don't need the government changing the definition of what an assault rifle is again, it didn't work the first time they changed it and it won't work this time either

 

[irishScott]

You haven't been paying attention, check out the list good ole Diane Feinstein has setup for what constitutes an "assault rifle"...and just because you BOUGHT yours during the ban doesn't mean it was MADE during the ban.

And thank you but I don't need the government changing the definition of what an assault rifle is again, it didn't work the first time they changed it and it won't work this time either

Oh I don't know. Feinstein was nice enough to take bayonet lugs off the list. Hell at this rate they might actually learn something in a century or so.

 

[umbrella39]

I'm apparently not getting the same flavor of Kool Aid the NRA sends me for my membership renewals that some of the members posting here do...

 

[spidey07]

I'm apparently not getting the same flavor of Kool Aid the NRA sends me for my membership renewals that some of the members posting here do...

Has this president and his administration said they want an assault weapons ban and magazine ban over 10 rounds?

Yes or no.

 

[MixMasterTang]

...and just because you BOUGHT yours during the ban doesn't mean it was MADE during the ban.

He said it was "created" during the ban, which I take as made.

 

[mizzou]

He said it was "created" during the ban, which I take as made.

Yes. The only difference it has from other AR15's is that is does not have the following:

1. Flash suppressor (no problem, more accurate now)
2. Collapsible stock (sorta sucks but whatever)
3. picatinny rail (A HUGE amount of suck, but there are workarounds...)
4. bayonet lug (not bothering me)

 

[spidey07]

Lol. So basically everything that makes an AR a AR.

 

[mizzou]

Lol. So basically everything that makes an AR a AR.

All I want was an accurate and serviceable rifle. That is exactly what I have. What the fuck else do I need?

 

[spidey07]

All I want was an accurate and serviceable rifle. That is exactly what I have. What the fuck else do I need?

Need has nothing to do with this discussion.

It's about infringement on natural rights.

 

[zinfamous]

Need has nothing to do with this discussion.

It's about infringement on natural rights.

I thought "need" was at the core of the current NRA and SCOTUS interpretation of the 2nd, no?

Are you saying we should actually be concerning ourselves with want? Meaning, it really is not about a fundamental right, but should be extended beyond base needs and cover our wants?

this is interesting.

what, then, would be the core "need" that the 2nd protects, and how are those needs actually met?

need is at the center of natural rights. want has nothing to do with natural rights.