Biden hints at Obama executive order (concerning guns)

[MixMasterTang]

Imagine that. Your liberal news source left out part of the quote and you fell for it.

"There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet," Biden said, adding that Obama is conferring with Attorney General Eric Holder on potential action."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/09/us-usa-guns-biden-idUSBRE9080UA20130109

Who's the dumbass now, dumbass?

Let me ask you this simple question, IS it a *possibility* that an executive order *CAN* be created? If you're answer is yes then what is wrong with Biden's statement? It's similar to me saying "There are multiple ways I can get from the 5th floor to the first, one of those is taking the stairs, the elevator or repelling down a rope".

 

[Bowfinger]

And the entire forum laughed out loud at the hypocrisy.

Spidey is too far gone to realize he is the best weapon the gun control advocates have. When rational Americans read or hear a Spidey spewing his crazy, hate-filled vitriol, they immediately think, "Oh my God. He sounds like another Jared Loughner, just waiting to snap." They think, "If this is kind of loon who's stockpiling guns, maybe America does need to put in tighter controls. We can't wait until a Spidey walks into a crowd and opens fire again."

To other rational Second Amendment supporters: the Spideys and other loons we've seen in this thread are not our friends. They hurt the case for protecting the 2nd Amendment, not help it. If you want to preserve Americans' gun rights, you need to join in shutting these crazies down before they frighten more people into the strict gun control camp.

 

[sigurros81]

Imagine that. Your liberal news source left out part of the quote and you fell for it.

"There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet," Biden said, adding that Obama is conferring with Attorney General Eric Holder on potential action."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/09/us-usa-guns-biden-idUSBRE9080UA20130109

Who's the dumbass now, dumbass?

Again, just idiotic blind fear-mongering. You dumbasses like to find anything to cry about. Oh no, Obama got elected, the world's going to end. Oh no, there's speculation that Obama's going to repeal second amendment, wahhhh. Shut the fuck up already, all you do is make anyone affiliated with your political beliefs look just as moronic as you. But hey, narrow-minded scrubs like you are a dying breed. Even the looney conservatives are going the way of the dinosaur.

You pick and choose words that are purely speculative and cry about the Apocalypse. Haha, what a joke.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Let me ask you this simple question, IS it a *possibility* that an executive order *CAN* be created? If you're answer is yes then what is wrong with Biden's statement? It's similar to me saying "There are multiple ways I can get from the 5th floor to the first, one of those is taking the stairs, the elevator or repelling down a rope".

Clearly in that scenario the government will be throwing you out of the window to ensure you make it to the ground floor... duh.

 

[corwin]

Let me ask you this simple question, IS it a *possibility* that an executive order *CAN* be created? If you're answer is yes then what is wrong with Biden's statement? It's similar to me saying "There are multiple ways I can get from the 5th floor to the first, one of those is taking the stairs, the elevator or repelling down a rope".

Haha, trying to downplay what he said already...using your example to make it fair it would be "There are multiple ways I can get from the 5th floor to the first, one of those is taking the stairs and I've begun counting them and consulting with others about how to do so"

 

[fskimospy]

Obama's stance on DOMA isn't refining vagueness, it's intentionally not enforcing a valid law.

Constitutionality is not his domain. Review isn't his domain.

Failing to deport illegal aliens based on age isn't refining vagueness, it's intentionally the not enforcing a valid law.
Prioritization doesn't even make sense. They released people who were in custody pending deportation. There's no savings in effort there.

If you cannot see that he has bypassed Congress and or the court with these two EOs then you are blind and there is no point in debating with you. These EOs are clearly contrary to US Code.

Constitutionality is definitely his domain, every branch interprets the constitution. Our government couldn't work otherwise. There are definitely savings in reducing custody costs. Either way, I said that was what EOs are most commonly used for, not that they were only used in that way. My statement was very clear.

Regardless, neither the courts nor Congress have been bypassed here, Congress has just elected not to stop him. You are once again mistaking choosing not to act for being unable to act. They could be not bypassed if they wanted, they just don't.

 

[Bowfinger]

So then will you go on record that if President Obama issues an Executive Order affecting any manner of gun control that you will condemn it as an abuse of power?

Put your money where your mouth is.

Sorry, sweetie, I don't play such simple-minded, black and white games. As I've already stated in this thread, however, if Obama proposes an overreaching executive order, I will condemn it as an abuse of power, just as I have in the past. Unfortunately, abusing executive orders is not new. My issue here is all of the outrage is based on speculation rather than anything substantive. It's lots of fury based on nothing more than nutter innuendo.

 

[TerryMathews]

Again, just idiotic blind fear-mongering. You dumbasses like to find anything to cry about. Oh no, Obama got elected, the world's going to end. Oh no, there's speculation that Obama's going to repeal second amendment, wahhhh. Shut the fuck up already, all you do is make anyone affiliated with your political beliefs look just as moronic as you. But hey, narrow-minded scrubs like you are a dying breed. Even the looney conservatives are going the way of the dinosaur.

You pick and choose words that are purely speculative and cry about the Apocalypse. Haha, what a joke.

My post was in response to a liberal who claimed we were putting words in Biden's mouth. Please keep up.

 

[corwin]

Again, just idiotic blind fear-mongering. You dumbasses like to find anything to cry about. Oh no, Obama got elected, the world's going to end. Oh no, there's speculation that Obama's going to repeal second amendment, wahhhh. Shut the fuck up already, all you do is make anyone affiliated with your political beliefs look just as moronic as you. But hey, narrow-minded scrubs like you are a dying breed. Even the looney conservatives are going the way of the dinosaur.

Can we just leave the hyperbole of the OP out of this, we pretty much all agree that's not even close to on the table

You pick and choose words that are purely speculative and cry about the Apocalypse. Haha, what a joke.

And the joke is on you, you're the one the "picked and chose" what words were quoted from Biden and you got called on it, just own up to the fact that he said they were looking at an EO and were talking with the AG, talking to an attorney implies they want to see how far they can push it on their own if they can't get their way

 

[TerryMathews]

Let me ask you this simple question, IS it a *possibility* that an executive order *CAN* be created? If you're answer is yes then what is wrong with Biden's statement? It's similar to me saying "There are multiple ways I can get from the 5th floor to the first, one of those is taking the stairs, the elevator or repelling down a rope".

There is nothing wrong with Biden's statement, we are in agreement there. President Obama could draft an unconstitutional executive order. He has before. We are concerned he is going to again.

Welcome to the conversation.

 

[sigurros81]

Can we just leave the hyperbole of the OP out of this, we pretty much all agree that's not even close to on the table

And the joke is on you, you're the one the "picked and chose" what words were quoted from Biden and you got called on it, just own up to the fact that he said they were looking at an EO and were talking with the AG, talking to an attorney implies they want to see how far they can push it on their own if they can't get their way

Call out on what? I saw the damn thing all over the news last night. So I copied and pasted an article I googled, doesn't change the fact that you idiots are pannicking as if it's the end of the world. I thought my wife likes to over-dramatize things, you all are making her look good.

 

[TerryMathews]

Sorry, sweetie, I don't play such simple-minded, black and white games. As I've already stated in this thread, however, if Obama proposes an overreaching executive order, I will condemn it as an abuse of power, just as I have in the past. Unfortunately, abusing executive orders is not new. My issue here is all of the outrage is based on speculation rather than anything substantive. It's lots of fury based on nothing more than Crazy Joe's statement.

FTFY.

I will gladly admit I'm wrong if Obama doesn't touch gun control via executive order. Of course you won't do the same if you're wrong and who can blame you? Because both you and I know that in a month you would have to condemn your messiah.

 

[TerryMathews]

Call out on what? I saw the damn thing all over the news last night. So I copied and pasted an article I googled, doesn't change the fact that you idiots are pannicking as if it's the end of the world. I thought my wife likes to over-dramatize things, you all are making her look good.

And it doesn't change the fact that your whole post was based on a flawed perspective based on a selective quote.

At least man up and admit when you're wrong.

"So what if my post was incorrect? You all still stupid. "

Please turn down the herp derp. Thank you.

 

[corwin]

Call out on what? I saw the damn thing all over the news last night. So I copied and pasted an article I googled, doesn't change the fact that you idiots are pannicking as if it's the end of the world. I thought my wife likes to over-dramatize things, you all are making her look good.

You claimed there was no talk of an EO, which was proven to be bullshit when he said exactly that...do you instantly forget what you write?

 

[corwin]

FTFY.

I will gladly admit I'm wrong if Obama doesn't touch gun control via executive order. Of course you won't do the same if your wrong and who can blame you? Because both you and I know that in a month you would have to condemn your messiah.

I'm actually hoping that isn't true, I hope that the voices raised against it are enough for them to decide against it...Biden was hopefully being used as a scape goat to float the idea and see what the backlash would be, if it's enough they'll abandon that line with any luck...but being silent about it would be approval and for sure they would since he knows they can't get what they want through congress

 

[NoStateofMind]

The president has stated that he believes DOMA to be unconstitutional. If Congress wished it could take him to court over it and if it won, he would be forced to defend it.

Ceasing to deport specific classes of people is called prioritized enforcement and is practiced by basically every jurisdiction ever. Similarly, cities don't have a dedicated jaywalking patrol even though it's every bit as illegal as murder. If Congress wished, it could pass legislation that would make Obama deport those people.

In both cases you are mistaking congress's unwillingness to act for an inability to act.

Leftist moron spreading his shitty wings.

First you claim EO are used to clarify existing law. Then when faced with a law like that of deportation and an EO in direct contrast its now "well if you dont like it take him to court" . You have to be a fucking moron to think like this. There is a law for a reason. No matter how much you want your massiah to be all powerful by way of presidential decree he has to follow the law of the land. Not ignore the ones he doesnt like and require us to take him to court.

 

[TerryMathews]

Could everyone imagine the furor if Cheney had sat on a panel talking about protecting unborn children from murder via abortion and said the following:

"There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet," Cheney said, adding that Bush is conferring with Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez on potential action."

?

 

[Bowfinger]

FTFY.

I will gladly admit I'm wrong if Obama doesn't touch gun control via executive order. Of course you won't do the same if you're wrong and who can blame you? Because both you and I know that in a month you would have to condemn your messiah.

Piss off, twit. I've never said Obama won't attempt anything related to gun control. My point throughout this thread is we don't know what he's going to do yet, so all this outrage is ridiculous. You and the other loons are the ones declaring you know what will and will not happen.


I will say this thread delivers. Mention "2nd Amendment" and Palov's Clowns are out in force, yelping their little brains out. All this thread needs is calliope music and the effect would be complete.

 

[Retro Rob]

Pi


I will say this thread delivers. Mention "2nd Amendment" and Palov's Clowns are out in force, yelping their little brains out. All this thread needs is calliope music and the effect would be complete.

LOL

 

[TerryMathews]

Piss off, twit. I've never said Obama won't attempt anything related to gun control. My point throughout this thread is we don't know what he's going to do yet, so all this outrage is ridiculous. You and the other loons are the ones declaring you know what will and will not happen.


I will say this thread delivers. Mention "2nd Amendment" and Palov's Clowns are out in force, yelping their little brains out. All this thread needs is calliope music and the effect would be complete.

I am, based on this President's history and stated objectives.

You're so convinced that we're wrong, yet you're too cowardly to commit to saying it directly. Why is that?

 

[irishScott]

and if a mental health test is required as part of the background check your response would be???

Hell yes! I'd gladly pass a mental stability exam to own a gun. God knows they already check if you've been institutionalized. So long as it isn't prohibitively expensive (which would amount to a de-facto ban), and I was guaranteed my purchase after passing said tests (in addition to the rest of the background check), I'd happily submit.

The problem is that's not what's being proposed. Which goes back to my point about how radical the gun control leaders really are (and why the NRA has correspondingly become counter-radical in recent decades).

The opportunity for real problem solving ended as soon as the media heard that a bushmaster was used in the shooting. The agendas have taken over.

 

[spidey07]

Case in point. Biden's task force is focused on gun VIOLENCE. You insist that must mean gun CONTROL, even though the administration has expressly stated they're considering mental health and America's culture of violence. You are so blinded by your own rage that you can't see how incapable you are of looking at things objectively.

Where in Biden's summary yesterday even hint at anything of mental health and culture of violence?

Nope, it's all about gun control and gun control only. You're so blinded by your partisan stupidity you aren't listening to what Obama and Biden are actually SAYING.

 

[jstern01]

So what if he issues an EO directing the ATF to enforce a new policy that requires every bullet to be serialized, recorded and chipped? Is that beyond his authority? If so please point to the exact law that would prevent that? For that matter if he directed the ATF to begin drafting new regulations on the types of materials and licensing to manufacturers that has a $1000 fee tacked on is that against the law?

That does not mean he will do it.

 

[MixMasterTang]

Where in Biden's summary yesterday even hint at anything of mental health and culture of violence?

Nope, it's all about gun control and gun control only. You're so blinded by your partisan stupidity you aren't listening to what Obama and Biden are actually SAYING.

They said I could get a free car wash if I point a gun at the car wash attendant.

(Do not try this at home because this is not really what they said - but that is about as factual as most of Spidey's claims).

 

[TerryMathews]

Hell yes! I'd gladly pass a mental stability exam to own a gun. God knows they already check if you've been institutionalized. So long as it isn't prohibitively expensive (which would amount to a de-facto ban), and I was guaranteed my purchase after passing said tests (in addition to the rest of the background check), I'd happily submit.

The problem is that's not what's being proposed. Which goes back to my point about how radical the gun control leaders really are (and why the NRA has correspondingly become counter-radical in recent decades).

The opportunity for real problem solving ended as soon as the media heard that a bushmaster was used in the shooting. The agendas have taken over.

A thousand times this. No one in the administration has proposed a thing that would have prevented Holmes, or Sandy Hook. They're just blinded by their agenda of getting AR-15s out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

Or if they wanted to, I'm sure they could create a new license with additional restrictions that people like me would gladly voluntarily accept. If, for example, they brought back a form of the "kitchen table FFL", with no right to sell for profit a la C&R, I'd be willing to trade a number of things for it including random inspections, mental health screening, and a requirement to keep guns properly secured according to some policy.