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iRONic

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I'd actually argue just the opposite. Flock to Texas. Turn the government blue. You'd not only get officials that offer some kind of compassion to residents, you'd have the upshot of wrecking Republicans' dreams of one-party rule on both the state and federal levels.
Altruistic idea. I question the ability to convince the amount of americans needed to participate in order to implement it.
 
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Meanwhile the people of Texas are benefitting from their small government. Gov Abbot can't even take the time to talk to the Mayor of Houston yet he has time to spread lies on Hannity

Houston in all honesty - is the least of people's worries. We had roughly 2-3 days (depending on what side of town you lived on) of below freezing temperatures. Dallas and even Austin are much more north and had MUCH longer below freezing.


BTW - before they ask no federal bailouts for high energy bills. Texas went this route to get away from the evil Federal gubmit so let them live with it. Republicans wanted a strict capitalistic market and this is what they got.

I have sympathy for the many residents of Texas but citizens going broke is the only way to ween them off from electing Republicans. No socialism for you

'Unacceptable': Texas Governor Greg Abbott Condemns Soaring Energy Bills After Winter Storm (msn.com)

/facepalm, I've explained this numerous times - The only people who have high energy bills are idiots that deserve it. End of story. You won't find a single person that lives in Texas on this board that has a high energy bill from this.

99.8% of Texas residents aren't stupid and have a locked in fixed-rate energy provider. Personally, I did away with having to find new plans every 1-2 years and opted to have a 5-year set rate at 10cents/kwh... Which at this point was a fucking awesome decision on my part.

This has nothing to do with capitalism, it has to do with idiots that knew the risks they were taking and after getting hit by the risk they want someone to cover their losses. Fuck em. Do you have sympathy and want to give someone a 2nd chance when they bet 50,000 on black in Vegas? It's the same shit.
 
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I'd actually argue just the opposite. Flock to Texas. Turn the government blue. You'd not only get officials that offer some kind of compassion to residents, you'd have the upshot of wrecking Republicans' dreams of one-party rule on both the state and federal levels.

We get it, you're so cognitively ignorant that you can't even see the vast amount of fuck-ups under hardcore Democrat rule has been a massive failure - in terms of job growth, equality, cost of living, and more.

As New York Governors and Mayors plead for corporations to not leave and throwing cash at them like crazy.

And CA still can't learn its lesson that taxation has consequences.

And Maryland is still a giant piece of shit with corrupt Baltimore mayors continuing like a revolving door.


Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Thankfully Texas has put in plenty of safeguards into place with their state constitution, but if you folks do decide to fuck up the state - thats fine, theres plenty of others that you still haven't screwed up yet.
 
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HomerJS

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Houston in all honesty - is the least of people's worries. We had roughly 2-3 days (depending on what side of town you lived on) of below freezing temperatures. Dallas and even Austin are much more north and had MUCH longer below freezing.




/facepalm, I've explained this numerous times - The only people who have high energy bills are idiots that deserve it. End of story. You won't find a single person that lives in Texas on this board that has a high energy bill from this.

99.8% of Texas residents aren't stupid and have a locked in fixed-rate energy provider. Personally, I did away with having to find new plans every 1-2 years and opted to have a 5-year set rate at 10cents/kwh... Which at this point was a fucking awesome decision on my part.

This has nothing to do with capitalism, it has to do with idiots that knew the risks they were taking and after getting hit by the risk they want someone to cover their losses. Fuck em. Do you have sympathy and want to give someone a 2nd chance when they bet 50,000 on black in Vegas? It's the same shit.
You are not addressing the government was issued a report telling them to winterize. I'm sure ERCOT could winterize without permission from the state and I'm sure the state didn't want to spend money. All that small gubmit stuff

Also Texas took themselves off the very grid that would have saved them. They hate the federal government so much now their people are dead and suffering.
 

MrSquished

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even if you didn't sign in for a fixed rate contract you should still expect a certain preparedness and performance from your utility service - not this total level of incompetence when they've been warned about it multiple times, something within the control of man to fix.
 
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Pohemi

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Houston in all honesty - is the least of people's worries.
Yeah, fuck them amirite? No need to even call the mayor when you can just go spew some conservative lies on Hannity.
/facepalm, I've explained this numerous times - The only people who have high energy bills are idiots that deserve it.
This has nothing to do with capitalism, it has to do with idiots that knew the risks they were taking and after getting hit by the risk they want someone to cover their losses.
So blame civilians for being given an unregulated pile of shit power grid and suppliers. Fuck em amirite?
...Democrat rule has been a massive failure - in terms of job growth, equality, cost of living, and more.
As New York Governors and Mayors...
And CA...
And Maryland...
Thankfully Texas has put in plenty of safeguards into place with their state constitution...
Last I checked, the thread isn't about NY or Cali or Maryland, dumb fuck.

You do nothing but point fingers with your moronic #whataboutism and #bothsides.

You refuse to even SEE any wrongdoing by the fucktarded idiots in Texas, much less acknowledge their obvious fuckups and mistakes. Nope nope nope let's just keep pointing at NY and Cali.

You're a fucking clown who lives in constant denial, telling yourself that you aren't actually the piece of shit that you indeed are.
 

Commodus

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We get it, you're so cognitively ignorant that you can't even see the vast amount of fuck-ups under hardcore Democrat rule has been a massive failure - in terms of job growth, equality, cost of living, and more.

As New York Governors and Mayors plead for corporations to not leave and throwing cash at them like crazy.

And CA still can't learn its lesson that taxation has consequences.

And Maryland is still a giant piece of shit with corrupt Baltimore mayors continuing like a revolving door.


Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Thankfully Texas has put in plenty of safeguards into place with their state constitution, but if you folks do decide to fuck up the state - thats fine, theres plenty of others that you still haven't screwed up yet.

This is a pretty disgraceful post. You're putting words in my mouth, making a personal attack and glossing over very real concerns in Texas.

I know California, New York and other blue states have their problems. I never suggested they didn't. But there's something pretty horrific going on in Texas when one winter storm (not even a truly bad one, compared to what often happens in the north) cripples power, water and other infrastructure for millions... and the leaders, the ones who are supposed to set things right, are making excuses, lying or ducking out for vacations.

For goodness' sake, people have died and Rick Perry (no longer sitting in office, thank goodness) was telling people it was better for people to suffer than institute regulation. A "let them eat cake" moment if there ever was one.

That's my point. That there's a basic level of compassion missing in Texas' Republican government, and that Democrats would realize that this was a moment that demanded urgent aid and reforms. For that matter, they would unwind the anti-democratic policies that are keeping Texas artificially red. I'd be much happier to gripe about Democrat excesses than the willful cruelty that defines the current Republican leadership.
 
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The Texas PUC passed an emergency authorization for those losing their power providers to not be put on the POLR at market rate. Instead it looks like TXU will be absorbing customers of the untold number of power companies going out of business(likely in the range of dozens with a S). TXU will be exorbint them at competitive rates and not emergency market rates . The Texas PUC still won’t publicly say how many retail power providers are going under but it will be many. Good thing is it should clear out almost all the shitty ones.

So that leaves the following still screwed over. And it’s not just those on Griddy. It’s sizable number.

The 29,000 homes in griddy
Those on other variable rate contracts
Those with lapsed contracts, IE those not on contracts at the moment(this is a fairly significant number).
 
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Elections have consequences. The myth of tough Texans has been destroyed. The snowflakes have come home to roost.

Typical inept individual that brings down complex things into partisan politics. You're shitting on 40% lefities while trying to target 60% republicans.

But hey, keep losing every other election with incorrect stereotypes and stupidity.
 
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Typical inept individual that brings down complex things into partisan politics. You're shitting on 40% lefities while trying to target 60% republicans.

But hey, keep losing every other election with incorrect stereotypes and stupidity.

Interesting, correct stereotypes win elections.
 
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Being a retail utility provider in Texas has to be a nice racket. You don't produce or even actually distribute the product but you make a profit off it anyway. Pure parasitic genius. It's literally regulated into existence to create a free market illusion. When it all goes to Hell it's easy to fade into corporate bankruptcy because it's just a sales force, office staff & associated equipment.
 

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Now with free market cornholio-


It's deeply wrong that Texas regulations allow anybody to get screwed like that.
Can you imagine paying $9.00/kWh? :eek:
That what happened to some.


"Katrina Tanner, a Griddy customer who lives in Nevada, Texas, said she had been charged $6,200 already this month, more than five times what she paid in all of 2020. She began using Griddy at a friend’s suggestion a couple of years ago and was pleased at the time with how simple it was to sign up."


"Then Upshaw, 33, saw that his utility bill from Griddy had risen to more than $6,700. He usually pays about $80 a month this time of year."


We can blame this asshole.

"William W. Hogan, considered the architect of the Texas energy market design, said in an interview this past week that the high prices reflected the market performing as it was designed."
The rapid losses of power — more than a third of the state’s available electricity production was offline at one point — increased the risk that the entire system would collapse, causing prices to rise, said Hogan, a professor of global energy policy at Harvard’s Kennedy School.

“As you get closer and closer to the bare minimum, these prices get higher and higher, which is what you want,” Hogan said."


Seriously WTF?

"Some lawmakers and consumer advocates said the price spikes had made it clear that customers did not understand the complicated terms of the company’s model.

“To the Texas Utilities Commission: What are you thinking, allowing the average type of household to sign up for this kind of program?” Tyson Slocum, director of the energy program at Public Citizen, a consumer advocacy group, said of Griddy. “The risk-reward is so out of whack that it never should have been permitted in the first place.”
 
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Typical inept individual that brings down complex things into partisan politics. You're shitting on 40% lefities while trying to target 60% republicans.

But hey, keep losing every other election with incorrect stereotypes and stupidity.
Last I checked Texas is a democratically elected government. People pay taxes. People pay for services. A little bit of cold weather and snow turned Texas temporarily into a third world country. Who is to blame for this? The individual for not having their own source of fuel, water, power generation, food production and storage?
 
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GoPackGo

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kudlow is an intellectual midget and why anyone believes or listens to anything he says is beyond me.
Remember he said Dr Fauci was wrong about everything COVID-19 related.

Of course it's Biden's fault. He has so much control of the Texas State Government.... oh wait. . .
 

HomerJS

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Typical inept individual that brings down complex things into partisan politics. You're shitting on 40% lefities while trying to target 60% republicans.

But hey, keep losing every other election with incorrect stereotypes and stupidity.
It wasn't the lefties who decided to take Texas off the grid and then cheap out on infrastructure spending.

But you don't want to address that. Do yo think the 40% Texas lefties wanted this? You righties worship this shit and now you want to deflect the consequences.

Are you ever going to stop slurping long enough to hold Republicans accountable for anything??
 

Meghan54

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It wasn't the lefties who decided to take Texas off the grid and then cheap out on infrastructure spending.

But you don't want to address that. Do yo think the 40% Texas lefties wanted this? You righties worship this shit and now you want to deflect the consequences.

Are you ever going to stop slurping long enough to hold Republicans accountable for anything??


Has his posting history shown anything resembling that...at all.....ever?
 
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Griddy, after charging thousands of dollars per residential customer on their wholesale market price plan during the snow disaster, has now filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It doesn't say what this will mean for those with the sky high bills.

 
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Griddy, after charging thousands of dollars per residential customer on their wholesale market price plan during the snow disaster, has now filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It doesn't say what this will mean for those with the sky high bills.


It's wrong to say that Griddy charged thousands of dollars to customers. The MARKET rate that they signed up for in order to get electricity isn't determined by Griddy. They play zero factor in that and literally can't control that.

But anyhow, this isn't surprising in the least.
 

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Griddy, after charging thousands of dollars per residential customer on their wholesale market price plan during the snow disaster, has now filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It doesn't say what this will mean for those with the sky high bills.


They must have been teetering on Bankruptcy before this event.
 
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PingSpike

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No - they just have a huge influx of going from the majority of customers paying their bill to an epic fuckton that aren't paying their bill.

Sounds like an obvious risk of their business model to me. A lot of their customers probably don't even have multiple thousands of dollars to pay the bills sent so good luck getting blood from those turnips.
 
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