Biden: Clinton never figured out why she was running

[pauldun170]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/22/politics/joe-biden-hillary-clinton-2016-election/index.html

"I don't think she ever really figured it out," Biden told the Los Angeles Times' Mike Memoli. "And by the way, I think it was really hard for her to decide to run."
Biden said Clinton likely felt obliged to run for president and that the historic nature of her bid weighed on her decision-making.
"She thought she had no choice but to run. That, as the first woman who had an opportunity to win the presidency, I think it was a real burden on her," Biden said.

 

[FIVR]

Why can't Biden be like Kellyanne Conway and just pivot to an endless series of talking points? Why does he answer these questions that are very obviously intended to keep Hillary in the national conversation as a scapegoat for all the idiotic things Trump does? I don't understand Biden at all.

 

[Commodus]

Why can't Biden be like Kellyanne Conway and just pivot to an endless series of talking points? Why does he answer these questions that are very obviously intended to keep Hillary in the national conversation as a scapegoat for all the idiotic things Trump does? I don't understand Biden at all.

Not sure if I'd want Biden to be like Conway. That'd mostly involve pretending that the person you're representing didn't say the things they did, and being a reprehensible human being when your statements do line up.

 

[momeNt]

What the hell is that supposed to mean? No like seriously.

 

[Jhhnn]

Joe Biden Blathers sometimes? Color me shocked.

 

[interchange]

I imagine that mounting a serious campaign for presidency is pretty grueling. Having an array of ideas and a specific agenda with a real belief in change and why you are the person for the job sounds like more than a perk. Look at Obama and how the mojo has been lost over time.

 

[momeNt]

Joe Biden Blathers sometimes? Color me shocked.

In the article Biden and Obama both planned on living part time in Washington.

Hillary was just going to be the main character in the shadow government run by Obama. To be honest, I don't think I would have complained hearing about that. An emergency amendment to add a 3rd term to his presidency wouldn't have been too far a stretch given the Russian penetration into the FBI.

 

[Moonbeam]

What we do know is that Clinton had no real message for the American people other than that she was next in line and should be elected, coupled with the fact that Sanders did have a real message that as a counter she appeared to parrot reluctantly, that any fire she appeared to have in the belly was feigned. She also did the Obama thingi of appearing dignified in the face of Right winged insanity when what people feel and want to see is somebody who will kick you in the balls right back. As we see, if you don't kick Republicans in the balls, the frustration that develops in the voters will cause them to do that to themselves. The one form of revolution that is inevitable is self destruction.

 

[Commodus]

In the article Biden and Obama both planned on living part time in Washington.

Hillary was just going to be the main character in the shadow government run by Obama. To be honest, I don't think I would have complained hearing about that. An emergency amendment to add a 3rd term to his presidency wouldn't have been too far a stretch given the Russian penetration into the FBI.

I wouldn't say it'd be a shadow government... ironically, I think Trump is getting more help from Obama than Clinton would have (since Trump is genuinely clueless about politics).

With that said: I don't think there would've been an attempt to give Obama a third term in light of Russians corrupting the election, nor should there be. I like the idea of honoring term limits so that people who genuinely shouldn't be given term exemptions don't get the idea in their head (like, say, the incoming President-elect). If it somehow got to the point where the election results were outright nullified, I imagine it'd be smarter to have Biden as temporary President until there could be fresh elections.

 

[NesuD]

What we do know is that Clinton had no real message for the American people other than that she was next in line and should be elected,

Hit the nail on the head.

 

[Kazukian]

Interesting that Biden is being so vocal about the election/Hillary. The party does need to shovel some dirt on her coffin so she doesn't muck up 2020.

She was too polarizing & had too much baggage to overcome.

 

[pcgeek11]

Interesting that Biden is being so vocal about the election/Hillary. The party does need to shovel some dirt on her coffin so she doesn't muck up 2020.

She was too polarizing & had too much baggage to overcome.

Or figuratively drive a stake through her heart and cut off her head to prevent her from rising from the dead again.

 

[Kazukian]

Or figuratively drive a stake through her heart and cut off her head to prevent her from rising from the dead again.

But, it's her turn!!!

 

[Jhhnn]

What we do know is that Clinton had no real message for the American people other than that she was next in line and should be elected, coupled with the fact that Sanders did have a real message that as a counter she appeared to parrot reluctantly, that any fire she appeared to have in the belly was feigned. She also did the Obama thingi of appearing dignified in the face of Right winged insanity when what people feel and want to see is somebody who will kick you in the balls right back. As we see, if you don't kick Republicans in the balls, the frustration that develops in the voters will cause them to do that to themselves. The one form of revolution that is inevitable is self destruction.

She had a message. It was just inaudible to some over the din of Trump, right wing agitprop & concern trolling about Bernie. You know it's true.

In a sane egalitarian system she'd be president by virtue of a 2.8M vote lead & Trump would be brooding in his tower.

 

[pauldun170]

Interesting that Biden is being so vocal about the election/Hillary. The party does need to shovel some dirt on her coffin so she doesn't muck up 2020.

She was too polarizing & had too much baggage to overcome.

Biden has always been vocal. He's earned his memes.
Agree with bolded.

 

[Jhhnn]

Interesting that Biden is being so vocal about the election/Hillary. The party does need to shovel some dirt on her coffin so she doesn't muck up 2020.

She was too polarizing & had too much baggage to overcome.

Heh. Polarizing? What was Trump, if not polarizing?

Hell, rancor between him & the Repub party was about style rather than substance, something we see in action right now.

 

[pcgeek11]

She had a message. It was just inaudible to some over the din of Trump, right wing agitprop & concern trolling about Bernie. You know it's true.

In a sane egalitarian system she'd be president by virtue of a 2.8M vote lead & Trump would be brooding in his tower.

Oh well. She isn't.

 

[brandonbull]

She had a message. It was just inaudible to some over the din of Trump, right wing agitprop & concern trolling about Bernie. You know it's true.

In a sane egalitarian system she'd be president by virtue of a 2.8M vote lead & Trump would be brooding in his tower.

Our system doesn't work that way so stop inventing reasons why Hillary should have won. Maybe she should have tried not using the platform of "I'm a woman so you have to make me the President" or "Deplorables bad, me good".

In a sane egalitarian system, we wouldn't have a bunch of anti-American scum like her and the liberals running around forcing insane ideas upon the citizens of the US.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh well. She isn't.

I never said otherwise. It'll be interesting to see how your spite & petulance hold up during the unfolding train wreck of a Trump presidency.

 

[Jhhnn]

Our system doesn't work that way so stop inventing reasons why Hillary should have won. Maybe she should have tried not using the platform of "I'm a woman so you have to make me the President" or "Deplorables bad, me good".

In a sane egalitarian system, we wouldn't have a bunch of anti-American scum like her and the liberals running around forcing insane ideas upon the citizens of the US.

Your brain doesn't work quite right, does it?

 

[Balt]

I'm not sure how many lessons we should take from this election given all of the weird stuff that happened, but still I'll say:

1) Running on the status quo as a non-incumbent doesn't seem to work. It didn't work in 2016, 2008, or 2000. George HW Bush got one term doing it (well OK he wasn't exactly fulfilling the status quo, but you know what I mean). People want something different, anything different. It's hard for someone who's been loyal to the party for the party's 8 years in the White House to say they are going to change things without contradicting themselves.

2) Hillary just doesn't connect with people very well, and her delivery is just awful. I watched a lot of the Dem Convention speeches. Michelle was great, Bill was great, Obama was great, Biden was his usual entertaining self and then.. I turned it off for Hillary's speech.

 

[agent00f]

Interesting that Biden is being so vocal about the election/Hillary. The party does need to shovel some dirt on her coffin so she doesn't muck up 2020.

She was too polarizing & had too much baggage to overcome.

Or figuratively drive a stake through her heart and cut off her head to prevent her from rising from the dead again.

Don't worry, it's not that hard for you guys to concoct and believe this and that about their next candidate, same as for every minority group.

 

[agent00f]

Our system doesn't work that way so stop inventing reasons why Hillary should have won. Maybe she should have tried not using the platform of "I'm a woman so you have to make me the President" or "Deplorables bad, me good".

In a sane egalitarian system, we wouldn't have a bunch of anti-American scum like her and the liberals running around forcing insane ideas upon the citizens of the US.

Them liberals and their emancipation and desegregation, amiright?

 

[1prophet]

She had a message. It was just inaudible to some over the din of Trump, right wing agitprop & concern trolling about Bernie. You know it's true.

In a sane egalitarian system she'd be president by virtue of a 2.8M vote lead & Trump would be brooding in his tower.

She had a message alright, to her rich corporate backers behind closed doors which was, "don't worry what I say in public I will take care of you"


Democrats struggled to respond Sunday to damning revelations that Hillary Clinton wants "open borders" across the Western Hemisphere and that she repeatedly assured wealthy bankers in private speeches that her public statements on Wall Street reform were merely political posturing.

As Mrs. Clinton headed into a high-stakes presidential debate Sunday night with Republican Donald Trump, her statements in private speeches to powerful banks - revealed by WikiLeaks after a hack of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta's private emails - appear to reinforce the worst presumptions that conservatives and skeptical progressives have about the former first lady.

Republicans argue that her self-described "dream" of open borders proves Mrs. Clinton isn't willing to secure America or make protecting the homeland a top priority. For liberals, her doublespeak on Wall Street reform crystallizes the criticisms lobbed by Sen. Bernard Sanders and others throughout the Democratic primary campaign that Mrs. Clinton is a hypocrite who will say and do anything to get and keep power.

"If everybody's watching, you know, all of the backroom discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So you need both a public and a private position," Mrs. Clinton said in an April 2013 address. "You just have to sort of figure out how to - getting back to that word, 'balance' - how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about today."

 

[FerrelGeek]

There's actually a good bit of this that I agree with. Hillary was death on 2 legs. As to Moonie's point, a part of Trump's appeal was his giving a double middle finger right in the eyes of the lib establishment. He didn't do the typical 'stupid party' thing of wetting themselves, curling up in a ball, and slobbering out an apology whenever a dem looked at them cross-eyed. Hillary looked old, weak, unhealthy, passionless, but arrogant. Adding to that the leaked DNC and Podesta emails only proved that all the Ds had to offer was an old, worn-out, corrupt elitist.

What we do know is that Clinton had no real message for the American people other than that she was next in line and should be elected, coupled with the fact that Sanders did have a real message that as a counter she appeared to parrot reluctantly, that any fire she appeared to have in the belly was feigned. She also did the Obama thingi of appearing dignified in the face of Right winged insanity when what people feel and want to see is somebody who will kick you in the balls right back. As we see, if you don't kick Republicans in the balls, the frustration that develops in the voters will cause them to do that to themselves. The one form of revolution that is inevitable is self destruction.