Biden and Obama camp repeating lies

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern

I don't understand, or agree with, the handwringing over the use of Obama's middle name.

The "hand wringing" part is over regarding Obama and this election. The luddites still supporting McCain long ago wore out the effectiveness of the tactic, except among their fellow luddites so, by itself, it's no longer an issue.

The good news for most Americans, and the bad part for that subgroup of Republicans, is that it just confirms and reinforces their image of as the bigots they are.

How does using someones middle name make them a bigot?

Duh, anyone who doesn't do or think exactly how a liberal wants them to is a backwoods racist/bigot/homophobe hick - haven't you learned this by now?

 

[Infohawk]

People, calm down about "BHO." Do far-right types love pointing out that Hussein is Obama's middle name? Yes. Is it fair game? Yes. Let's move on.

As far as the OP, the real issue as other have pointed out is why the hell Obama/Biden would want to pretend like they have similar policies to Bush. GWB is a complete failure. Why try to associate with him? This is a non-issue.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Seems Biden and the BHO camp are still trying to claim Bush is now supporting BHO's "plan" for Iraq. I was listening to him yap and he's repeated it again.

I'm beginning to think that the Obama camp is getting so arrogant they don't even know when they are lying anymore.

It gets really confusing sometimes to keep up with Which Plan He is talking about.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

BHO? Codespeak, to let the rabid right reader know that the poster is one of them... kinda like "Democrat Party", "Dred Scott", "States Rights", "Values", "Welfare Queens", "Law and Order", "Silent Majority", "Death Tax" and a whole lot more...

Honest question here. Do conservatives get this worked up over such trivial stuff? I'm asking because obviously I'm a conservative, so I'm a little biased and might not notice when we get this petty. Can someone give me an example of conservatives being this hypersensitive over things like this? I'd like to know so that I avoid looking as juvenile and petty as Jhhnn and the rest of the BHO crybabies look.

So, uhh, it's not codespeak?

I suppose that "appeasers", "defeatists", "terrorist sympathizers", "socialists", "anti-american" and one of my personal faves, "surrender monkeys" aren't more of the same?

I'm not particularly sensitive to that sort of self-identification from the right, but I see it for what it is, a way of establishing credentials among the cognoscenti- "One Of Us!"

I do enjoy the faux outrage and the droning chant of USA!USA!USA!USA!. It's really kinda cute, in a deranged bimbo sort of way... It's expected behavior, noteworthy for only that reason.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Seems to me like CADsortaGUY struck a nerve here. The post is legitimate and true in my opinion and all I see are people attacking him. Why can't you people stay on topic ........ ummmm, nevermind, you all obviously have nothing to counter the subject with so ...... flame on!

Exactly. They don't want to address the topic so they try to rage on and on about "BHO". Hell, I even tried to give them a place to "rage" but only certain threads are allowed here I guess. I'm still trying to figure it out but can't get any answers.

I addressed the topic, rather well I might add, and you've promptly ignored it.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Stop the madness, quit the truth and logical arguments. CADswarthyGUY has his mind made up and his truth has such a fine point not a single angel can dance on it.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

BHO? Codespeak, to let the rabid right reader know that the poster is one of them... kinda like "Democrat Party", "Dred Scott", "States Rights", "Values", "Welfare Queens", "Law and Order", "Silent Majority", "Death Tax" and a whole lot more...

Honest question here. Do conservatives get this worked up over such trivial stuff? I'm asking because obviously I'm a conservative, so I'm a little biased and might not notice when we get this petty. Can someone give me an example of conservatives being this hypersensitive over things like this? I'd like to know so that I avoid looking as juvenile and petty as Jhhnn and the rest of the BHO crybabies look.

So, uhh, it's not codespeak?

I suppose that "appeasers", "defeatists", "terrorist sympathizers", "socialists", "anti-american" and one of my personal faves, "surrender monkeys" aren't more of the same?

I'm not particularly sensitive to that sort of self-identification from the right, but I see it for what it is, a way of establishing credentials among the cognoscenti- "One Of Us!"

I do enjoy the faux outrage and the droning chant of USA!USA!USA!USA!. It's really kinda cute, in a deranged bimbo sort of way... It's expected behavior, noteworthy for only that reason.

No, it's not "codespeak", I'm conservative and I don't even know what in the hell you're talking about.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Seems to me like CADsortaGUY struck a nerve here. The post is legitimate and true in my opinion and all I see are people attacking him. Why can't you people stay on topic ........ ummmm, nevermind, you all obviously have nothing to counter the subject with so ...... flame on!

Exactly. They don't want to address the topic so they try to rage on and on about "BHO". Hell, I even tried to give them a place to "rage" but only certain threads are allowed here I guess. I'm still trying to figure it out but can't get any answers.

I addressed the topic, rather well I might add, and you've promptly ignored it.

Why yes you did. Sorry, it got lost in the rabid spittle spew of they hyenas over the BHO thing.

Yes, I have read BHO's various plans and how they've evolved. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11517.html

None of them are like Bush's and Bush has not adopted them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. CSG follows the usual repub mantra- repeat something often enough, and it becomes the truth. Here's what the current Bush Admin proposal looks like-

The proposed deal calls for all U.S. combat forces to be removed from Iraqi cities by June 2009 and for all forces to leave the country by the end of 2011, unless both sides agree to an extension.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq

From another current thread...

If it looks like a timetable, walks like a timetable, and quacks like a timetable, chances are that it's a timetable...

Unless CSG says it's not, obviously, and then it must be something else...

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern
I don't understand, or agree with, the handwringing over the use of Obama's middle name.

It is what it is. (And not like his 1st and last names are as common as *John* and *Smith* anyway)

If being a Muslim is not a *bad thing*, why should any on the left act like it is? That's all it looks like when one these freal-out episodes errupt over the use of it or his full initials.

If anyone feels there is unfair stigma attached to such names, you ain't solving that by making it an offense to use it. It'll be solved when it's used so much no one bats an eyelash or gives it a second thought. Which, BTW, was where that was firmly headed given all the nonchalance over such names (lot's of pro-athletes and other people in the news have such names) until you guys started this stuff.

Fern

I'm guessing you haven't seen the videos of the people screaming "HUSSEIN! HUSSEIN!" at McCain's rallies? They clearly view it as a pejorative term. There have been articles and speeches without number where those writing and speaking have deliberately used it as a means by which to point out that he is foreign, alien, a possible Muslim, etc.

Strangely enough the Republicans didn't call John Kerry 'JFK' ever. Would that possibly be because those initials carried a positive connotation? I don't remember Clinton ever being called WJC, 'Jefferson', or anything else. There are several posters on this board who call Obama 'Hussein' exclusively without even bothering to use the other parts of his name.

You know this. The whole 'who me?' routine just doesn't fly, it just makes you all look incredibly childish and dishonest. The point is, backhanded insults are stupid and I wish you would stop. They are beneath you guys. (not you specifically)

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JD50
Isn't the liberals that like to say that conservatives have a persecution complex?

Nobody is saying people are being 'persecuted', just that it is a childish insult.

But yes, I do believe that one of the defining characteristics of modern American conservatism is a persecution complex.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Ldir
Where is the lie? Bush now supports the same sort of orderly withdrawal Obama proposed a long time ago.

Bush is not supporting BHO's "plan" like biden is claiming. Troop numbers lowering depends on ground conditions with Bush's plan. Bush has not adopted BHO's "plan"

Why do you feel the need to refer to Barack Obama as "BHO"?

Because that's his fucking name?

Because it's more mature than McSame, McBush, McShame, etc?

Because if anyone referred to him as BO, you'd still get your feelings hurt and desperately look for hidden innuendo?

Take you pick dipstick.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JD50
Isn't the liberals that like to say that conservatives have a persecution complex?

Nobody is saying people are being 'persecuted', just that it is a childish insult.

But yes, I do believe that one of the defining characteristics of modern American conservatism is a persecution complex.

I agree, you should never call someone by their name, that is obviously a childish insult. Nope, no persecution complex going on here....:roll:

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

C'mon conservatives, you know exactly what's going on when the Right EMPHASIZES the Hussein part of Barack's name. It is clearly a ploy to associate Obama with Muslims, terrorism, and anything else that appears "different" and "anti-American". The Republican party can no longer be outright racist, they have to hide it in subtlety and in code words. Tell me you're not this stupid.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
I guess what I learned from this thread is that when Jesus Christ was born, people, out of respect, didn't call him JC.

No, they called him Jesus H. Christ, to draw attention to his middle name, Hussein. Using BHO is being done to make him seem like "that One", as McCain so aptly put it.

They are doing this so the "son of the first murderer" won't be in the White House. To those that find names all important, "Mac" is a common prefix meaning "son of" and "Cain" first comes up in Genesis 4:1. Clearly McCain's name rules him out as presidential material.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JD50
Isn't the liberals that like to say that conservatives have a persecution complex?

Nobody is saying people are being 'persecuted', just that it is a childish insult.

But yes, I do believe that one of the defining characteristics of modern American conservatism is a persecution complex.

Pity Party...

Hate, anger, and fear are the bread and butter of what's left of the Republican Party these days. The problem the mainstream GOP has run into is they just can't really properly channel the bigotry, jingoism, bellicosity, and fanaticism of their movement.

Barack and Hussein are Semitic words. Americans have been named with Semitic names since the founding of the republic. Fourteen of our 43 presidents have had Semitic names. And American English contains many Arabic-derived words that we use every day and without which we would be much impoverished.

I don't think it has too much to do with making him look Muslim so much as tying him to Saddam. To the lizard brain, it's like saying "Barack Hitler Obama" except that some of us blame Saddam for 9/11 and thus representative of our present evil threat and not a long-vanquished one.

But it is absolutely disgusting how certain individuals and groups have been overusing Obama's middle name in a clear and pathetic attempt to reference Obama's semitic roots as some sort of bizarre transracial, transcontinential relationship to Saddam Hussein.

My first, middle, and last names are Hebrew, Old English, and Scandinavian, respectively. And I am no more like a Biblical hero than I am a Saxon or a Viking. I'm just a person with a name. And so is Barack Obama. It makes as much sense to associate McCain with the Biblical Cain as it does to associate Obama with Saddam.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
C'mon conservatives, you know exactly what's going on when the Right EMPHASIZES the Hussein part of Barack's name. It is clearly a ploy to associate Obama with Muslims, terrorism, and anything else that appears "different" and "anti-American". The Republican party can no longer be outright racist, they have to hide it in subtlety and in code words. Tell me you're not this stupid.

Get real and grow up. If people wanted to emphasize "Hussein", they would say "Barack Hussein Obama". And if anyone called him "BO", you'd get your panties in a twist over the toilet reference.

If you're as sensitive as this, you'll find fault with anything. Like I said: it's far more mature than the juvenile references to McCain and the "Repug" party. Where's the outrage over that nonsense?

Get thicker skin.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JD50
Isn't the liberals that like to say that conservatives have a persecution complex?

Nobody is saying people are being 'persecuted', just that it is a childish insult.

But yes, I do believe that one of the defining characteristics of modern American conservatism is a persecution complex.

I agree, you should never call someone by their name, that is obviously a childish insult. Nope, no persecution complex going on here....:roll:

Using his name in that way requires a clear deviation from the normal patterns of speech that we use in America. It is done specifically to use a name with a strong negative connotation. I know you know this. It's a stupid and childish way to jab at a candidate.

Once again, I'm not claiming Obama is being persecuted in any way by this, it reflects poorly on the posters that do it, not on Obama.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JD50
Isn't the liberals that like to say that conservatives have a persecution complex?

Nobody is saying people are being 'persecuted', just that it is a childish insult.

But yes, I do believe that one of the defining characteristics of modern American conservatism is a persecution complex.

I agree, you should never call someone by their name, that is obviously a childish insult. Nope, no persecution complex going on here....:roll:

Using his name in that way requires a clear deviation from the normal patterns of speech that we use in America. It is done specifically to use a name with a strong negative connotation. I know you know this. It's a stupid and childish way to jab at a candidate.

Once again, I'm not claiming Obama is being persecuted in any way by this, it reflects poorly on the posters that do it, not on Obama.

So what's your stance on Dumbya, McSame, McBush etc.?

It's hair splittin' time!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JD50
Isn't the liberals that like to say that conservatives have a persecution complex?

Nobody is saying people are being 'persecuted', just that it is a childish insult.

But yes, I do believe that one of the defining characteristics of modern American conservatism is a persecution complex.

I agree, you should never call someone by their name, that is obviously a childish insult. Nope, no persecution complex going on here....:roll:

Using his name in that way requires a clear deviation from the normal patterns of speech that we use in America. It is done specifically to use a name with a strong negative connotation. I know you know this. It's a stupid and childish way to jab at a candidate.

Once again, I'm not claiming Obama is being persecuted in any way by this, it reflects poorly on the posters that do it, not on Obama.

So what's your stance on Dumbya, McSame, McBush etc.?

It's hair splittin' time!

Have you ever seen me use one of those? They are all stupid too.

Why don't you concentrate on what people do and say as opposed to what you think they will do or say?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Have you ever seen me use one of those? They are all stupid too.

Well, my next question is simply where has your (and everyone else here on the left) outrage been over the constant and incessant use of McSame, McBush, McShame, Dumbya, ... ... ...? I haven't heard a peep from anyone taking issue with a name reference until "BHO" comes up. Hell, there are even posters on the left around here who use "BHO". Who cares?

Pretty selective standards we have around here, and the sensitivity to mal intent is a bit ridiculous and juvenile. It really does hint at a persecution complex. When I refer to Obama, I simply use "Obama". But when I see "BHO", the word "Hussein" doesn't even go through my mind. It's no different than people calling Bush Jr. "W", McCain "Mac", etc. And like I said, if anyone not on the left started using "BO", we'd have an all new storm of outrage. You can argue that I'm speaking hypothetically all you want, but you know it's true because it's absolutely no different than "BHO".

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Why don't you concentrate on what people do and say as opposed to what you think they will do or say?

Why don't you concentrate on something a little more significant and less innocuous than "BHO"? I'm sure there's all sorts of things out there just waiting for you to take offense at. "BHO" is probably the least of them.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Have you ever seen me use one of those? They are all stupid too.

Well, my next question is simply where has your (and everyone else here on the left) outrage been over the constant and incessant use of McSame, McBush, McShame, Dumbya, ... ... ...? I haven't heard a peep from anyone taking issue with a name reference until "BHO" comes up. Hell, there are even posters on the left around here who use "BHO". Who cares?

Pretty selective standards we have around here, and the sensitivity to mal intent is a bit ridiculous and juvenile. It really does hint at a persecution complex. When I refer to Obama, I simply use "Obama". But when I see "BHO", the word "Hussein" doesn't even go through my mind. It's no different than people calling Bush Jr. "W", McCain "Mac", etc. And like I said, if anyone not on the left started using "BO", we'd have an all new storm of outrage. You can argue that I'm speaking hypothetically all you want, but you know it's true because it's absolutely no different than "BHO".

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Why don't you concentrate on what people do and say as opposed to what you think they will do or say?

Why don't you concentrate on something a little more significant and less innocuous than "BHO"? I'm sure there's all sorts of things out there just waiting for you to take offense at. "BHO" is probably the least of them.

Well that's certainly a reasonable, well thought out argument. In order to put down dumb names that people call Obama I have to argue about dumb names people call McCain too? Why on earth would that be? The fact that I have not become the name police around here does absolutely nothing to change the validity of my argument. Does this mean that for you to keep trashing people who say "McSame" you have to attack the "BHO" people too? Of course not.

I don't see how anyone could possibly respond to your other assertion that "people in a world that doesn't exist would take offense at these initials because I say so". That's what I meant when I gave you that suggestion earlier. Why don't you worry about what people actually say and do instead of what you hypothetically think they would say and do?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Heh. CSG follows the usual repub mantra- repeat something often enough, and it becomes the truth. Here's what the current Bush Admin proposal looks like-

The proposed deal calls for all U.S. combat forces to be removed from Iraqi cities by June 2009 and for all forces to leave the country by the end of 2011, unless both sides agree to an extension.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq

From another current thread...

If it looks like a timetable, walks like a timetable, and quacks like a timetable, chances are that it's a timetable...

Unless CSG says it's not, obviously, and then it must be something else...

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[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
In order to put down dumb names that people call Obama I have to argue about dumb names people call McCain too? Why on earth would that be?

Because getting all in a tizzy over "BHO" and turning a blind eye to the RAMPANT use of diminutive names used for McCain is known as "hypocisy".

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Does this mean that for you to keep trashing people who say "McSame" you have to attack the "BHO" people too??

Problem: "McSame" is deliberately derogatory, "BHO" isn't, unless you know the intent of the person using it. But for what it's worth, I've yet to engage in "WAHH stop using McSame!!!" conversation. I think I've probably made a few remarks about the lack of creativity in such remarks, but I've hardly made it a point of real discussion, and I haven't seen anyone else draw this much attention to it, either. It's kindergarten-level name calling, so even if there was derogatory intent behind "BHO", who the hell cares? Aren't there bigger fish to fry out there?

But like I said: you don't know the intent of the person using "BHO", which leads us to:

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Why don't you worry about what people actually say and do instead of what you hypothetically think they would say and do?

You're the one getting all huffy because of an ill perceived slight. Why don't you worry about focusing on what people are actually trying to say instead of what you presume they're trying to sneak in under the radar?

Making this a real issue like this is every bit as retarded as thinking that using "Hussein" or "McSame" is creative, effective, or meaningful. WGAF?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: eskimospy
In order to put down dumb names that people call Obama I have to argue about dumb names people call McCain too? Why on earth would that be?

Because getting all in a tizzy over "BHO" and turning a blind eye to the RAMPANT use of diminutive names used for McCain is known as "hypocisy".

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Does this mean that for you to keep trashing people who say "McSame" you have to attack the "BHO" people too??

Problem: "McSame" is deliberately derogatory, "BHO" isn't, unless you know the intent of the person using it. But for what it's worth, I've yet to engage in "WAHH stop using McSame!!!" conversation. I think I've probably made a few remarks about the lack of creativity in such remarks, but I've hardly made it a point of real discussion, and I haven't seen anyone else draw this much attention to it, either. It's kindergarten-level name calling, so even if there was derogatory intent behind "BHO", who the hell cares? Aren't there bigger fish to fry out there?

But like I said: you don't know the intent of the person using "BHO", which leads us to:

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Why don't you worry about what people actually say and do instead of what you hypothetically think they would say and do?

You're the one getting all huffy because of an ill perceived slight. Why don't you worry about focusing on what people are actually trying to say instead of what you presume they're trying to sneak in under the radar?

Making this a real issue like this is every bit as retarded as thinking that using "Hussein" or "McSame" is creative, effective, or meaningful. WGAF?

You need to look up the definition of hypocrisy. If I condemned one set of names and approved of the other that would be hypocrisy, but I have never done anything of the sort. In order to have that work you would have to argue that silence equals tacit approval, which is obviously fallacious.

Uhmmm... yes you do know the intent of those using BHO. (at least for the regular posters here) They have been repeatedly notified that people view it as an attack on Obama. That means that they are either using it to continue to attack Obama, or they are using it to provoke a fight. Either one of those is a childish and stupid act. Not only that, but the people on the boards here are hardly the only ones on the right to use his middle name in this way. It is obvious when listening to McCain campaign surrogates say, when you listen to crowds at McCain rallies chant "vote McCain not Barack Hussein" that they are making that connection too. To think otherwise at this point would require a shocking naivety.

This isn't really a big issue for me, but sometimes conversations take on a life of their own. I guess I would be more inclined to jump into these as some people who I hold in particular contempt like CAD seem to be at the forefront of pulling this bullshit.