Biden admin plans for 30GW of offshore wind online by 2030

[K1052]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1376640320448892928

After being bottled up by Trump lackeys for so long glad to see projects moving through the approval pipeline. On the plus side the delay has let newer even larger turbines come into use so less construction is needed for the same output. Hopefully this goal is substantially exceeded ahead of schedule.

 

[nOOky]

That's great news. Any cancer causing effects would only affect boaters that get too close, and any birds killed would simply fall into the water and no one would know or care as their bodies would simply float until they became part of a huge plastic floating island anyway. Win/win.

 

[dank69]

That is a LOT of cancer.

 

[K1052]

That is a LOT of cancer.

Trump voting oncologists right now:

 

[dank69]

Shit's on fire yo:

 

[sdifox]

So how many Trump branded golf courses face the ocean?

 

[feralkid]

Shit's on fire yo:

Coal & wind hybrid turbine.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Shit's on fire yo:

On a slightly different angel.
I wonder how many deplorables would suddenly support wind if it “rolled coal” while generating power.
Serious question
How many morons would suddenly love me wind if it produced a thick black smog while spinning.

 

[WelshBloke]

On a slightly different angel.
I wonder how many deplorables would suddenly support wind if it “rolled coal” while generating power.
Serious question
How many morons would suddenly love me wind if it produced a thick black smog while spinning.

They have 3 blades. Stick a red smoke bomb, a white one and a blue on each blade and call anybody who doesn't support wind power out as being a pinko America hater!

 

[kage69]

Sounds good to me.

So long as the blades are painted to help birds avoid them, yeah that just leaves the wind cancer threat I guess. Just saw Scotland's renewable portfolio accounted for 97% of demand. Epic. That's the direction we need to go, touts suite.

 

[Greenman]

3000 windmills based on 10MW each? Did I add a zero in there somewhere?
That would be better than one a day if they start tomorrow morning. It would also be a metric shit ton of construction jobs. Serious money for a whole bunch of people.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

3000 windmills based on 10MW each? Did I add a zero in there somewhere?
That would be better than one a day if they start tomorrow morning. It would also be a metric shit ton of construction jobs. Serious money for a whole bunch of people.

you get it, this has been my point regarding green energy for years. Good for economic growth, gets us less dependent on oil.

 

[K1052]

3000 windmills based on 10MW each? Did I add a zero in there somewhere?
That would be better than one a day if they start tomorrow morning. It would also be a metric shit ton of construction jobs. Serious money for a whole bunch of people.

I think Vineyard Wind is using GE Haliade-Xs at 14MW. 8-10MW was pretty standard for offshore turbines but GE and Vestas have gone really big in the last few years. I suspect 30GW is just a fraction of the likely demand we're going to see in the next decade though.

 

[Paratus]

I think Vineyard Wind is using GE Haliade-Xs at 14MW. 8-10MW was pretty standard for offshore turbines but GE and Vestas have gone really big in the last few years. I suspect 30GW is just a fraction of the likely demand we're going to see in the next decade though.

I wonder if we’ll see any at sea energy storage. There’s some prototype designs for sea floor energy storage. Build a dome or sphere under water. Anchor the wind turbine to it. Use excess power to pump out the water during time of high wind and let the water back drive the pumps as generators during times of low wind.

This design can store 18MWh and provide a peak power of 5MW per storage sphere.

FEATURE: Energy storage at sea could enable full transition to renewable power

www.imeche.org

 

[K1052]

I wonder if we’ll see any at sea energy storage. There’s some prototype designs for sea floor energy storage. Build a dome or sphere under water. Anchor the wind turbine to it. Use excess power to pump out the water during time of high wind and let the water back drive the pumps as generators during times of low wind.

This design can store 18MWh and provide a peak power of 5MW per storage sphere.

FEATURE: Energy storage at sea could enable full transition to renewable power

www.imeche.org

We'll probably get more stuff like this tried as the industry matures. Wouldn't be mad to see some government grants for research and test scale implementation.

 

[Zorba]

I wonder if we’ll see any at sea energy storage. There’s some prototype designs for sea floor energy storage. Build a dome or sphere under water. Anchor the wind turbine to it. Use excess power to pump out the water during time of high wind and let the water back drive the pumps as generators during times of low wind.

This design can store 18MWh and provide a peak power of 5MW per storage sphere.

FEATURE: Energy storage at sea could enable full transition to renewable power

www.imeche.org

I hadn't ever thought about that too of pump back before. It'd need to be a massive volume.

 

[Greenman]

you get it, this has been my point regarding green energy for years. Good for economic growth, gets us less dependent on oil.

So far I only get half of it. The idea is sound, the reasons for doing it are sensible. But the other half of the equation matters as well. What will it cost to build and maintain, and how does that cost stack up against other methods of energy production? Maybe a huge solar farm makes more sense, perhaps geothermal has it beat. I don't know the answers, I may not even know what questions to ask.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So far I only get half of it. The idea is sound, the reasons for doing it are sensible. But the other half of the equation matters as well. What will it cost to build and maintain, and how does that cost stack up against other methods of energy production? Maybe a huge solar farm makes more sense, perhaps geothermal has it beat. I don't know the answers, I may not even know what questions to ask.

Same here, I figure a mix of everything plus traditional fossil fuel power will still be the standard. To me the goal should be generate as much power as possible by non fossil fuel means, use old style plants to fill the gaps or power up when sun or wind or whatever isn’t enough.
Spread the technology out, no need to back one horse.
Second goal should be generate as many jobs as possible doing the work and as many long term jobs as possible too.
One of my complaints about the Keystone pipeline was yeah while building it there are some good jobs but once complete there are nearly none, like a few hundred for the cost of a shit ton of ruined land and the inevitable super dirty oil leak all so this oil can be shipped to China. Awesome deal.

 

[fskimospy]

So far I only get half of it. The idea is sound, the reasons for doing it are sensible. But the other half of the equation matters as well. What will it cost to build and maintain, and how does that cost stack up against other methods of energy production? Maybe a huge solar farm makes more sense, perhaps geothermal has it beat. I don't know the answers, I may not even know what questions to ask.

Broadly speaking offshore wind is cheaper than clean coal, on par with nuclear. It's among the more expensive renewables though - more expensive than natural gas but wind is carbon free, unlike natural gas.

 

[K1052]

Broadly speaking offshore wind is cheaper than clean coal, on par with nuclear. It's among the more expensive renewables though - more expensive than natural gas but wind is carbon free, unlike natural gas.

As the US offshore market develops costs will come down as well like with onshore wind power.

 

[herm0016]

Same here, I figure a mix of everything plus traditional fossil fuel power will still be the standard. To me the goal should be generate as much power as possible by non fossil fuel means, use old style plants to fill the gaps or power up when sun or wind or whatever isn’t enough. Spread the technology out, no need to back one horse. Second goal should be generate as many jobs as possible doing the work and as many long term jobs as possible too. One of my complaints about the Keystone pipeline was yeah while building it there are some good jobs but once complete there are nearly none, like a few hundred for the cost of a shit ton of ruined land and the inevitable super dirty oil leak all so this oil can be shipped to China. Awesome deal.

a pipeline does not ruin a shit ton of land. a small stripe through the middle of farm fields and gets replanted.

the oil would be going to refineries for refining mostly, the US is a huge exporter of refined products to a lot of places. some of our imported crude gets exported as refined products.

anyhow....

offshore wind jobs are the same as you describe for the pipeline. lots of jobs for construction, not that many for maintenance.


the sphere thing is interesting, but it seems problematic to be adding and removing buoyancy to the system, this would seriously stress cycle however they are holding it to the ocean floor. and i would imagine a maintenance nightmare in salt water with continually cycling between air and salt water.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

a pipeline does not ruin a shit ton of land. a small stripe through the middle of farm fields and gets replanted.

the oil would be going to refineries for refining mostly, the US is a huge exporter of refined products to a lot of places. some of our imported crude gets exported as refined products.

anyhow....

offshore wind jobs are the same as you describe for the pipeline. lots of jobs for construction, not that many for maintenance.


the sphere thing is interesting, but it seems problematic to be adding and removing buoyancy to the system, this would seriously stress cycle however they are holding it to the ocean floor. and i would imagine a maintenance nightmare in salt water with continually cycling between air and salt water.

Then why did the oil need to get shipped to a port?
To my understanding it is already being used in the mid west without pipeline.
While I may be incorrect, I suspect there are better paying jobs in wind turbine maintenance than oil pipe inspection.

 

[zzyzxroad]

a pipeline does not ruin a shit ton of land. a small stripe through the middle of farm fields and gets replanted.

the oil would be going to refineries for refining mostly, the US is a huge exporter of refined products to a lot of places. some of our imported crude gets exported as refined products.

anyhow....

offshore wind jobs are the same as you describe for the pipeline. lots of jobs for construction, not that many for maintenance.


the sphere thing is interesting, but it seems problematic to be adding and removing buoyancy to the system, this would seriously stress cycle however they are holding it to the ocean floor. and i would imagine a maintenance nightmare in salt water with continually cycling between air and salt water.

The hidden footprint isn't always a good thing when it comes to pipelines. The real downside to pipelines is their potential for missive spills. A pipelines is also extremely limited limited on the goods it can deliver. It is all a tradeoff though.

How to Transport Oil More Safely

Each of the methods—pipeline, rail, boat or truck—has its pros and cons. But they all could use some improvement.

www.wsj.com

"Pipelines can corrode over time, leading to spills. And one positive aspect of pipelines—they’re often built underground and out of sight—can also be a problem. Companies have been accused of abandoning underground lines without cleaning them out, meaning they can leak while nobody is watching. In March 2014, a Los Angeles-area pipeline spilled about 1,200 gallons onto a residential street, destroying yards, damaging homes and stinking up the neighborhood. "

 

[herm0016]

Then why did the oil need to get shipped to a port?
To my understanding it is already being used in the mid west without pipeline.
While I may be incorrect, I suspect there are better paying jobs in wind turbine maintenance than oil pipe inspection.

That's where all the refiners are...do you know what export means?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That's where all the refiners are...do you know what export means?

Don’t care, that pipeline was a shitty deal. Even shittier with it being able to ship outside the US