Bible readers

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

Joshua? That's the mother of all touch love ya' got there!

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

ROFLMAO!!!! What book are you supposedly reading? Everything in the big book of fairy tales preaches loving everyone who blindly sheeps along with the rest of the flock. Everyone that doesn't blindly follow is raped, murdered or sold into slavery.

If it doesn't match up to the 10 commandments or Jesus greatest commandment, then you have the wrong interpretation.

Once again, why are you taking everything at face value?

As for Joshua, it is a religious war. You have to look at things from a different perspective and not just, "Oh its a war and God is calling for the killing of everyone in the city".

-Kevin

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If all you guys are going to do is troll and bash a person's set of beliefs, I would ask that you keep it to yourselves.

If you have questions, I'm sure that people more than willing to talk about their beliefs, listen to yours and just talk.

OP - Is there something specific you wanted to know about the Book of Joshua? Asking what the point of an entire book in the Bible is way too much to attempt to put in a post 😉

-Kevin

He gave you 10 points to use. Typical answer though.

I don't buy into any form of the bible we have today being the true story.

He didn't give me 10 points. He gave me 10 stereotypes that people always try to use!

-Kevin

Hey if it is old testament, his points were probably pretty close. Unless it was about Abraham or Dave and kicking ass.

I do not fall into the "religious" category. Don't buy it. But from a philosophical stand point, I do like the stuff Jesus had to say. He had some great idea. Too bad too many take the old testament stuff as "absolute" but the stuff JC said as a "good suggestion".

I have never once heard anything remotely close to that in the Old Testament - Yes, there is a religious war in place; however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

You're not supposed to sum things up so succinctly. You need to hide the hatred in a lot of archaic language. The thumpers eat that stuff up.

Have you ever taken an English class and read a story that, on the surface, you said "No way" - but there were literary and stylistic devices that made it absolutely amazing? Why should you read the Bible any differently? Why are you giving it that double standard? Just to try and prove a point (or points) that don't fit with ANY OTHER lesson in the Bible?

-Kevin

I embrace the Old Testament still. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe every word in the Bible.

There is lines in the OT that say homosexuality carries a death sentence. That it is cool to kill people because they believe something different. I've seen the quotes on the crazy people signs. I am not saying there isn't some good stuff in the OT but there is a lot of archaic garbage.

I am not saying you are one of the nut jobs who doesn't get the analogies.

Unfortunately the people who get the most attention in your religion are the nutballs who believe every word is absolute in the OT (even though it is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a story).

Like I said, there is some really good stuff in that book. On a couple days of the year, it gets focused on and that is great. It is unfortunate that some focus on the the crazy points and ignore the good stuff.

Personally I think the world would be a much better place if all the people who believed his story bought in to the stuff JC said not just the filler. He had a good idea of how people could live.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

ROFLMAO!!!! What book are you supposedly reading? Everything in the big book of fairy tales preaches loving everyone who blindly sheeps along with the rest of the flock. Everyone that doesn't blindly follow is raped, murdered or sold into slavery.

If it doesn't match up to the 10 commandments or Jesus greatest commandment, then you have the wrong interpretation.

Once again, why are you taking everything at face value?

As for Joshua, it is a religious war. You have to look at things from a different perspective and not just, "Oh its a war and God is calling for the killing of everyone in the city".

-Kevin

What about the rest of the stuff that isn't in Joshua and isn't covered by your ludicrous belief that a religious war excuses all atrocities? Do you think Joshua is unique is its violent opposition to everyone that isn't a believer? Want 1000 examples from 20 other books of gods vengeance against pretty much everyone that isn't a believer? Again, I ask what book you're reading because the bible is the most violent, hateful, bigoted, intolerant pile of bullshit ever written.

I embrace the Old Testament still. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe every word in the Bible.

Please, oh pretty please explain to me why you're complaining that I take things in the big book of fairy tales at face value while you simultaneously claim to believe every word of it. This is why it's so easy for us atheists to utterly kick the believers asses, it's because none of you can every get your stories straight. The bible is so full of inaccuracies, contradictions of itself, historical impossibilities, things dis-proven by science and atrocities that you refuse to own up to that you're constantly forced to backpedal. One day you believe something happened, the next you're forced to admit that it's just an allegory. One day creationism is gospel, the next you have to invent intelligent design because the old belief is laughable. One day god is the all-seeing watcher of his flock, the next you come up with an alternate god who doesn't really take care of things because that's the only way you can explain away the millions of murders and other crimes done by the church in his name.

Yes or no, do you believe in the old testament at face value. If so I've got a loooooonnnnnnnggggg laundry list of the hate crimes it preaches and the atrocities it mandates against those not of the faith. Not in holy wars and not just Joshua. The entire book is filled with hate and violence against everyone in all sorts of circumstances.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

ROFLMAO!!!! What book are you supposedly reading? Everything in the big book of fairy tales preaches loving everyone who blindly sheeps along with the rest of the flock. Everyone that doesn't blindly follow is raped, murdered or sold into slavery.

If it doesn't match up to the 10 commandments or Jesus greatest commandment, then you have the wrong interpretation.

Once again, why are you taking everything at face value?

As for Joshua, it is a religious war. You have to look at things from a different perspective and not just, "Oh its a war and God is calling for the killing of everyone in the city".

-Kevin

What about the rest of the stuff that isn't in Joshua and isn't covered by your ludicrous belief that a religious war excuses all atrocities? Do you think Joshua is unique is its violent opposition to everyone that isn't a believer? Want 1000 examples from 20 other books of gods vengeance against pretty much everyone that isn't a believer? Again, I ask what book you're reading because the bible is the most violent, hateful, bigoted, intolerant pile of bullshit ever written.

I embrace the Old Testament still. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe every word in the Bible.

Please, oh pretty please explain to me why you're complaining that I take things in the big book of fairy tales at face value while you simultaneously claim to believe every word of it. This is why it's so easy for us atheists to utterly kick the believers asses, it's because none of you can every get your stories straight. The bible is so full of inaccuracies, contradictions of itself, historical impossibilities, things dis-proven by science and atrocities that you refuse to own up to that you're constantly forced to backpedal. One day you believe something happened, the next you're forced to admit that it's just an allegory. One day creationism is gospel, the next you have to invent intelligent design because the old belief is laughable. One day god is the all-seeing watcher of his flock, the next you come up with an alternate god who doesn't really take care of things because that's the only way you can explain away the millions of murders and other crimes done by the church in his name.

Yes or no, do you believe in the old testament at face value. If so I've got a loooooonnnnnnnggggg laundry list of the hate crimes it preaches and the atrocities it mandates against those not of the faith. Not in holy wars and not just Joshua. The entire book is filled with hate and violence against everyone in all sorts of circumstances.

No more caffeine tonight, okay?

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If all you guys are going to do is troll and bash a person's set of beliefs, I would ask that you keep it to yourselves.

If you have questions, I'm sure that people more than willing to talk about their beliefs, listen to yours and just talk.

OP - Is there something specific you wanted to know about the Book of Joshua? Asking what the point of an entire book in the Bible is way too much to attempt to put in a post 😉

-Kevin

He gave you 10 points to use. Typical answer though.

I don't buy into any form of the bible we have today being the true story.

He didn't give me 10 points. He gave me 10 stereotypes that people always try to use!

-Kevin

Hey if it is old testament, his points were probably pretty close. Unless it was about Abraham or Dave and kicking ass.

I do not fall into the "religious" category. Don't buy it. But from a philosophical stand point, I do like the stuff Jesus had to say. He had some great idea. Too bad too many take the old testament stuff as "absolute" but the stuff JC said as a "good suggestion".

I have never once heard anything remotely close to that in the Old Testament - Yes, there is a religious war in place; however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

You're not supposed to sum things up so succinctly. You need to hide the hatred in a lot of archaic language. The thumpers eat that stuff up.

Have you ever taken an English class and read a story that, on the surface, you said "No way" - but there were literary and stylistic devices that made it absolutely amazing? Why should you read the Bible any differently? Why are you giving it that double standard? Just to try and prove a point (or points) that don't fit with ANY OTHER lesson in the Bible?

-Kevin

I embrace the Old Testament still. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe every word in the Bible.

There is lines in the OT that say homosexuality carries a death sentence. That it is cool to kill people because they believe something different. I've seen the quotes on the crazy people signs. I am not saying there isn't some good stuff in the OT but there is a lot of archaic garbage.

I am not saying you are one of the nut jobs who doesn't get the analogies.

Unfortunately the people who get the most attention in your religion are the nutballs who believe every word is absolute in the OT (even though it is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a story).

Like I said, there is some really good stuff in that book. On a couple days of the year, it gets focused on and that is great. It is unfortunate that some focus on the the crazy points and ignore the good stuff.

Personally I think the world would be a much better place if all the people who believed his story bought in to the stuff JC said not just the filler. He had a good idea of how people could live.

A simple google and 15 million nutballs all saying the same quote.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Still believe every word?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
A simple google and 15 million nutballs all saying the same quote.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Still believe every word?

Oh you're just interpreting it wrong :roll:

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
As for Joshua, it is a religious war. You have to look at things from a different perspective and not just, "Oh its a war and God is calling for the killing of everyone in the city".
-Kevin

History and archaeology show that the Canaanites were into child sacrifice and sacred prostitution, which IIRC was one of the Biblical reasons the Hebrews had a problem with them and justified taking their land. You could argue that paying your church to have sex with a priestess is a matter of personal preference, but tossing your own babies into the fire was universally considered a bad thing, even back then. Furthermore, most other peoples in the ancient world, pagan though they were to the Israelites, despised Canaanite culture as decadent, corrupt, and wicked, from the Egyptians all the way to the Romans.

The Hebrews were freed slaves looking for a place to live. Whether you believe that their God told them it was their "promised land" or not, the fact is they looked around and picked the most vile people in the area and displaced them. And remember, before the Hebrews arrived, Canaan was tributary to Egypt, so it was already considered hostile territory. The Israelites' later wars against the Philistines, Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonians, etc., were defensive in nature.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If all you guys are going to do is troll and bash a person's set of beliefs, I would ask that you keep it to yourselves.

If you have questions, I'm sure that people more than willing to talk about their beliefs, listen to yours and just talk.

OP - Is there something specific you wanted to know about the Book of Joshua? Asking what the point of an entire book in the Bible is way too much to attempt to put in a post 😉

-Kevin

He gave you 10 points to use. Typical answer though.

I don't buy into any form of the bible we have today being the true story.

He didn't give me 10 points. He gave me 10 stereotypes that people always try to use!

-Kevin

Hey if it is old testament, his points were probably pretty close. Unless it was about Abraham or Dave and kicking ass.

I do not fall into the "religious" category. Don't buy it. But from a philosophical stand point, I do like the stuff Jesus had to say. He had some great idea. Too bad too many take the old testament stuff as "absolute" but the stuff JC said as a "good suggestion".

I have never once heard anything remotely close to that in the Old Testament - Yes, there is a religious war in place; however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

You're not supposed to sum things up so succinctly. You need to hide the hatred in a lot of archaic language. The thumpers eat that stuff up.

Have you ever taken an English class and read a story that, on the surface, you said "No way" - but there were literary and stylistic devices that made it absolutely amazing? Why should you read the Bible any differently? Why are you giving it that double standard? Just to try and prove a point (or points) that don't fit with ANY OTHER lesson in the Bible?

-Kevin

I embrace the Old Testament still. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe every word in the Bible.

There is lines in the OT that say homosexuality carries a death sentence. That it is cool to kill people because they believe something different. I've seen the quotes on the crazy people signs. I am not saying there isn't some good stuff in the OT but there is a lot of archaic garbage.

I am not saying you are one of the nut jobs who doesn't get the analogies.

Unfortunately the people who get the most attention in your religion are the nutballs who believe every word is absolute in the OT (even though it is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a story).

Like I said, there is some really good stuff in that book. On a couple days of the year, it gets focused on and that is great. It is unfortunate that some focus on the the crazy points and ignore the good stuff.

Personally I think the world would be a much better place if all the people who believed his story bought in to the stuff JC said not just the filler. He had a good idea of how people could live.

A simple google and 15 million nutballs all saying the same quote.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Still believe every word?

Absolutely I believe every word.

I am not going to get into an argument with you. If you want a civil discussion, that is great; however, I will report this thread if it comes down to vulgar or profane language directed at me, my set of beliefs, or anyone else's set of beliefs (Yes, if someone comes in and bashes Ahteism, they will be reported just as fast).

Leviticus is largely around to show us, in present day, what life was like before Jesus. Before he took all of those laws in Leviticus on the cross and died with them.

Now, if you broke a law back in the era before Christ (Leviticus), you would have to offer some sort of a sacrifice to atone for your mistake.

Since Jesus came, he was crucified with EVERY SINGLE SIN on his shoulders. He was perfect, and he took EVERY SINGLE SIN of ours to the grave so we would never have to deal with those consequences again. He then rose from the dead to show that he had conquered death and sin and to proclaim that he would return one day to rid the world of sin.

Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. No matter how many times we screw up, nothing can surpass Jesus's sacrifice; and, therefore, we are saved.

This leaves us with the dilemma of why Leviticus is in the Bible still if Jesus took all those sins. Well there are two reasons:
A.) To show Christians what life was like before Jesus - in a world where sacrifices must be made for sin.
B.) To give us commandments to strive to achieve

Homosexuality for instance - yes it is a sin. But that sin is no different than me lying or cheating. Both were taken with Jesus to the cross and crucified - therefore I don't need to sacrifice for lying and they don't have to sacrifice for their choice.

We as Christians are called to embrace these people as brothers and sisters in Christ just the same as anyone else. Anyone who does not embrace them as a brother or sister in Christ is, once again, ignoring the commandment to "love one another".

Please keep this discussion clean - I love to discuss these things on AT Forums and elsewhere, but I hate it when people simply bash another person's ideas or beliefs - at least be mature enough to back out of the thread if you cannot discuss in a civil tongue.

In Him,
-Kevin

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If all you guys are going to do is troll and bash a person's set of beliefs, I would ask that you keep it to yourselves.

If you have questions, I'm sure that people more than willing to talk about their beliefs, listen to yours and just talk.

OP - Is there something specific you wanted to know about the Book of Joshua? Asking what the point of an entire book in the Bible is way too much to attempt to put in a post 😉

-Kevin

He gave you 10 points to use. Typical answer though.

I don't buy into any form of the bible we have today being the true story.

He didn't give me 10 points. He gave me 10 stereotypes that people always try to use!

-Kevin

Hey if it is old testament, his points were probably pretty close. Unless it was about Abraham or Dave and kicking ass.

I do not fall into the "religious" category. Don't buy it. But from a philosophical stand point, I do like the stuff Jesus had to say. He had some great idea. Too bad too many take the old testament stuff as "absolute" but the stuff JC said as a "good suggestion".

I have never once heard anything remotely close to that in the Old Testament - Yes, there is a religious war in place; however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

You're not supposed to sum things up so succinctly. You need to hide the hatred in a lot of archaic language. The thumpers eat that stuff up.

Have you ever taken an English class and read a story that, on the surface, you said "No way" - but there were literary and stylistic devices that made it absolutely amazing? Why should you read the Bible any differently? Why are you giving it that double standard? Just to try and prove a point (or points) that don't fit with ANY OTHER lesson in the Bible?

-Kevin

I embrace the Old Testament still. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe every word in the Bible.

There is lines in the OT that say homosexuality carries a death sentence. That it is cool to kill people because they believe something different. I've seen the quotes on the crazy people signs. I am not saying there isn't some good stuff in the OT but there is a lot of archaic garbage.

I am not saying you are one of the nut jobs who doesn't get the analogies.

Unfortunately the people who get the most attention in your religion are the nutballs who believe every word is absolute in the OT (even though it is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a story).

Like I said, there is some really good stuff in that book. On a couple days of the year, it gets focused on and that is great. It is unfortunate that some focus on the the crazy points and ignore the good stuff.

Personally I think the world would be a much better place if all the people who believed his story bought in to the stuff JC said not just the filler. He had a good idea of how people could live.

A simple google and 15 million nutballs all saying the same quote.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Still believe every word?

Absolutely I believe every word.

I am not going to get into an argument with you. If you want a civil discussion, that is great; however, I will report this thread if it comes down to vulgar or profane language directed at me, my set of beliefs, or anyone else's set of beliefs (Yes, if someone comes in and bashes Ahteism, they will be reported just as fast).

Leviticus is largely around to show us, in present day, what life was like before Jesus. Before he took all of those laws in Leviticus on the cross and died with them.

Now, if you broke a law back in the era before Christ (Leviticus), you would have to offer some sort of a sacrifice to atone for your mistake.

Since Jesus came, he was crucified with EVERY SINGLE SIN on his shoulders. He was perfect, and he took EVERY SINGLE SIN of ours to the grave so we would never have to deal with those consequences again. He then rose from the dead to show that he had conquered death and sin and to proclaim that he would return one day to rid the world of sin.

Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. No matter how many times we screw up, nothing can surpass Jesus's sacrifice; and, therefore, we are saved.

This leaves us with the dilemma of why Leviticus is in the Bible still if Jesus took all those sins. Well there are two reasons:
A.) To show Christians what life was like before Jesus - in a world where sacrifices must be made for sin.
B.) To give us commandments to strive to achieve

Homosexuality for instance - yes it is a sin. But that sin is no different than me lying or cheating. Both were taken with Jesus to the cross and crucified - therefore I don't need to sacrifice for lying and they don't have to sacrifice for their choice.

We as Christians are called to embrace these people as brothers and sisters in Christ just the same as anyone else. Anyone who does not embrace them as a brother or sister in Christ is, once again, ignoring the commandment to "love one another".

Please keep this discussion clean - I love to discuss these things on AT Forums and elsewhere, but I hate it when people simply bash another person's ideas or beliefs - at least be mature enough to back out of the thread if you cannot discuss in a civil tongue.

In Him,
-Kevin

But we go back to my beginning point.

I do not fall into the "religious" category. Don't buy it. But from a philosophical stand point, I do like the stuff Jesus had to say. He had some great idea. Too bad too many take the old testament stuff as "absolute" but the stuff JC said as a "good suggestion".

The fact that it took me about 30 secs to find a quote proving my point just further shows the importance of what I am trying to say.

I am happy that you have a more progressive view, but frankly there are people, A LOT of PEOPLE (I am talking the size of a population roughly about that of, oh I don't know, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Texas, and most of the South) that don't subscribe to the same philosophy as you. They call themselves Christians as well.

Believe whatever you want. But don't sit there and pretend that the book doesn't say those things and that everyone all Christians have the same grasp of the general philosophy as you.

I had a friend like you in College. Same idea. I dig the theory but there is a lot to be said about the practice.

 

[sygyzy]

Even if you guys are not religious or believe in God or the bible, it's a good thing to learn about because it's such an important part of history. Just like you should be familiar with the Koran and other religious books. You'd be surprised at how many biblical questions appear on shows like Jeopardy.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
A simple google and 15 million nutballs all saying the same quote.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Still believe every word?

That's Old Testament law that was fulfilled with the death of Christ, therefore not applying anymore. The New Testament law, Jesus' Sermon on the Mount found starting in Matthew 5 is the new law. OT law doesn't matter anymore, only NT law.

Well, that's what the nutjobs will say to justify the Bible saying that gays should be burned at the steak or something but then professing love thy brother above all else.

If you're going to bother making a statement, anticipate their reply 😛

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: SirStev0
A simple google and 15 million nutballs all saying the same quote.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Still believe every word?

That's Old Testament law that was fulfilled with the death of Christ, therefore not applying anymore. The New Testament law, Jesus' Sermon on the Mount found starting in Matthew 5 is the new law. OT law doesn't matter anymore, only NT law.

Well, that's what the nutjobs will say to justify the Bible saying that gays should be burned at the steak or something but then professing love thy brother above all else.

If you're going to bother making a statement, anticipate their reply 😛

This now makes you one of five people who have been claim this. The point is a majority of your fellow parishioners don't get this point.


EDIT: Side note. Maybe this is just something inherint in a certain sect or branch? Out of interest and if it is okay to ask, What flavor do you subscribe?

 

[QurazyQuisp]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If all you guys are going to do is troll and bash a person's set of beliefs, I would ask that you keep it to yourselves.

If you have questions, I'm sure that people more than willing to talk about their beliefs, listen to yours and just talk.

OP - Is there something specific you wanted to know about the Book of Joshua? Asking what the point of an entire book in the Bible is way too much to attempt to put in a post 😉

-Kevin

He gave you 10 points to use. Typical answer though.

I don't buy into any form of the bible we have today being the true story.

He didn't give me 10 points. He gave me 10 stereotypes that people always try to use!

-Kevin

Hey if it is old testament, his points were probably pretty close. Unless it was about Abraham or Dave and kicking ass.

I do not fall into the "religious" category. Don't buy it. But from a philosophical stand point, I do like the stuff Jesus had to say. He had some great idea. Too bad too many take the old testament stuff as "absolute" but the stuff JC said as a "good suggestion".

I have never once heard anything remotely close to that in the Old Testament - Yes, there is a religious war in place; however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

You're not supposed to sum things up so succinctly. You need to hide the hatred in a lot of archaic language. The thumpers eat that stuff up.

Have you ever taken an English class and read a story that, on the surface, you said "No way" - but there were literary and stylistic devices that made it absolutely amazing? Why should you read the Bible any differently? Why are you giving it that double standard? Just to try and prove a point (or points) that don't fit with ANY OTHER lesson in the Bible?

-Kevin

I embrace the Old Testament still. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe every word in the Bible.

There is lines in the OT that say homosexuality carries a death sentence. That it is cool to kill people because they believe something different. I've seen the quotes on the crazy people signs. I am not saying there isn't some good stuff in the OT but there is a lot of archaic garbage.

I am not saying you are one of the nut jobs who doesn't get the analogies.

Unfortunately the people who get the most attention in your religion are the nutballs who believe every word is absolute in the OT (even though it is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a story).

Like I said, there is some really good stuff in that book. On a couple days of the year, it gets focused on and that is great. It is unfortunate that some focus on the the crazy points and ignore the good stuff.

Personally I think the world would be a much better place if all the people who believed his story bought in to the stuff JC said not just the filler. He had a good idea of how people could live.

A simple google and 15 million nutballs all saying the same quote.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Still believe every word?

Absolutely I believe every word.

I am not going to get into an argument with you. If you want a civil discussion, that is great; however, I will report this thread if it comes down to vulgar or profane language directed at me, my set of beliefs, or anyone else's set of beliefs (Yes, if someone comes in and bashes Ahteism, they will be reported just as fast).

Leviticus is largely around to show us, in present day, what life was like before Jesus. Before he took all of those laws in Leviticus on the cross and died with them.

Now, if you broke a law back in the era before Christ (Leviticus), you would have to offer some sort of a sacrifice to atone for your mistake.

Since Jesus came, he was crucified with EVERY SINGLE SIN on his shoulders. He was perfect, and he took EVERY SINGLE SIN of ours to the grave so we would never have to deal with those consequences again. He then rose from the dead to show that he had conquered death and sin and to proclaim that he would return one day to rid the world of sin.

Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. No matter how many times we screw up, nothing can surpass Jesus's sacrifice; and, therefore, we are saved.

This leaves us with the dilemma of why Leviticus is in the Bible still if Jesus took all those sins. Well there are two reasons:
A.) To show Christians what life was like before Jesus - in a world where sacrifices must be made for sin.
B.) To give us commandments to strive to achieve

Homosexuality for instance - yes it is a sin. But that sin is no different than me lying or cheating. Both were taken with Jesus to the cross and crucified - therefore I don't need to sacrifice for lying and they don't have to sacrifice for their choice.

We as Christians are called to embrace these people as brothers and sisters in Christ just the same as anyone else. Anyone who does not embrace them as a brother or sister in Christ is, once again, ignoring the commandment to "love one another".

Please keep this discussion clean - I love to discuss these things on AT Forums and elsewhere, but I hate it when people simply bash another person's ideas or beliefs - at least be mature enough to back out of the thread if you cannot discuss in a civil tongue.

In Him,
-Kevin

Quoted for the truth.

According to the Bible, the wages for our sins are death. Homosexuality is not the only one that warrants death, they all do. As Kevin pointed out, Jesus came and died on the cross for those sins.

I do not look down on people who are not Christians -- I'm no better than they are.
I do not look down on those who drink to get drunk/do drugs -- Again, I'm no better than they are.
I do not look down on homosexuals -- I sin just as they do.
I do not support legislation to prevent abortions -- The bible tells us that we are not to use the government to command people to follow the ways of the bible.
I do not hate sex - I just chose to wait until I'm married to do so.

I try to do my best to love on anyone and everyone, but unfortunately I am human, and I am sinful and it's just not possible that I can. However, I try my hardest.

The only people that I have a hard time loving on is fellow Christians. Unfortunately the fundies tend to put a bad rep out for Christians, and cannot seem to understand what God called them to be.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If all you guys are going to do is troll and bash a person's set of beliefs, I would ask that you keep it to yourselves.

If you have questions, I'm sure that people more than willing to talk about their beliefs, listen to yours and just talk.

OP - Is there something specific you wanted to know about the Book of Joshua? Asking what the point of an entire book in the Bible is way too much to attempt to put in a post 😉

-Kevin

He gave you 10 points to use. Typical answer though.

I don't buy into any form of the bible we have today being the true story.

He didn't give me 10 points. He gave me 10 stereotypes that people always try to use!

-Kevin

Hey if it is old testament, his points were probably pretty close. Unless it was about Abraham or Dave and kicking ass.

I do not fall into the "religious" category. Don't buy it. But from a philosophical stand point, I do like the stuff Jesus had to say. He had some great idea. Too bad too many take the old testament stuff as "absolute" but the stuff JC said as a "good suggestion".

I have never once heard anything remotely close to that in the Old Testament - Yes, there is a religious war in place; however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

You're not supposed to sum things up so succinctly. You need to hide the hatred in a lot of archaic language. The thumpers eat that stuff up.

Have you ever taken an English class and read a story that, on the surface, you said "No way" - but there were literary and stylistic devices that made it absolutely amazing? Why should you read the Bible any differently? Why are you giving it that double standard? Just to try and prove a point (or points) that don't fit with ANY OTHER lesson in the Bible?

-Kevin

I embrace the Old Testament still. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe every word in the Bible.

There is lines in the OT that say homosexuality carries a death sentence. That it is cool to kill people because they believe something different. I've seen the quotes on the crazy people signs. I am not saying there isn't some good stuff in the OT but there is a lot of archaic garbage.

I am not saying you are one of the nut jobs who doesn't get the analogies.

Unfortunately the people who get the most attention in your religion are the nutballs who believe every word is absolute in the OT (even though it is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a story).

Like I said, there is some really good stuff in that book. On a couple days of the year, it gets focused on and that is great. It is unfortunate that some focus on the the crazy points and ignore the good stuff.

Personally I think the world would be a much better place if all the people who believed his story bought in to the stuff JC said not just the filler. He had a good idea of how people could live.

A simple google and 15 million nutballs all saying the same quote.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Still believe every word?

Absolutely I believe every word.

I am not going to get into an argument with you. If you want a civil discussion, that is great; however, I will report this thread if it comes down to vulgar or profane language directed at me, my set of beliefs, or anyone else's set of beliefs (Yes, if someone comes in and bashes Ahteism, they will be reported just as fast).

Leviticus is largely around to show us, in present day, what life was like before Jesus. Before he took all of those laws in Leviticus on the cross and died with them.

Now, if you broke a law back in the era before Christ (Leviticus), you would have to offer some sort of a sacrifice to atone for your mistake.

Since Jesus came, he was crucified with EVERY SINGLE SIN on his shoulders. He was perfect, and he took EVERY SINGLE SIN of ours to the grave so we would never have to deal with those consequences again. He then rose from the dead to show that he had conquered death and sin and to proclaim that he would return one day to rid the world of sin.

Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. No matter how many times we screw up, nothing can surpass Jesus's sacrifice; and, therefore, we are saved.

This leaves us with the dilemma of why Leviticus is in the Bible still if Jesus took all those sins. Well there are two reasons:
A.) To show Christians what life was like before Jesus - in a world where sacrifices must be made for sin.
B.) To give us commandments to strive to achieve

Homosexuality for instance - yes it is a sin. But that sin is no different than me lying or cheating. Both were taken with Jesus to the cross and crucified - therefore I don't need to sacrifice for lying and they don't have to sacrifice for their choice.

We as Christians are called to embrace these people as brothers and sisters in Christ just the same as anyone else. Anyone who does not embrace them as a brother or sister in Christ is, once again, ignoring the commandment to "love one another".

Please keep this discussion clean - I love to discuss these things on AT Forums and elsewhere, but I hate it when people simply bash another person's ideas or beliefs - at least be mature enough to back out of the thread if you cannot discuss in a civil tongue.

In Him,
-Kevin

Quoted for the truth.

According to the Bible, the wages for our sins are death. Homosexuality is not the only one that warrants death, they all do. As Kevin pointed out, Jesus came and died on the cross for those sins.

I do not look down on people who are not Christians -- I'm no better than they are.
I do not look down on those who drink to get drunk/do drugs -- Again, I'm no better than they are.
I do not look down on homosexuals -- I sin just as they do.
I do not support legislation to prevent abortions -- The bible tells us that we are not to use the government to command people to follow the ways of the bible.
I do not hate sex - I just chose to wait until I'm married to do so.

I try to do my best to love on anyone and everyone, but unfortunately I am human, and I am sinful and it's just not possible that I can. However, I try my hardest.

The only people that I have a hard time loving on is fellow Christians. Unfortunately the fundies tend to put a bad rep out for Christians, and cannot seem to understand what God called them to be.

Damn you moderate non-fire and brimstone rational Christians! No fun at all to argue with. Since I have nothing against you guys and therefore nothing to actually post, could you do us a favor and some how quiet the nut balls down??

 

[Gamingphreek]

The fact that it took me about 30 secs to find a quote proving my point just further shows the importance of what I am trying to say.

I am happy that you have a more progressive view, but frankly there are people, A LOT of PEOPLE (I am talking the size of a population roughly about that of, oh I don't know, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Texas, and most of the South) that don't subscribe to the same philosophy as you. They call themselves Christians as well.

Believe whatever you want. But don't sit there and pretend that the book doesn't say those things and that everyone all Christians have the same grasp of the general philosophy as you.

I had a friend like you in College. Same idea. I dig the theory but there is a lot to be said about the practice.

I disagree, but I can absolutely respect that reply.

The main part I disagree with is the "general philosophy" part. If something doesn't coincide with the commandments then the interpretation is wrong. Yes it might be incredibly hard to understand, but it is most definitely cohesive with the 10 commandments and with Jesus.

That's Old Testament law that was fulfilled with the death of Christ, therefore not applying anymore. The New Testament law, Jesus' Sermon on the Mount found starting in Matthew 5 is the new law. OT law doesn't matter anymore, only NT law.

Well, that's what the nutjobs will say to justify the Bible saying that gays should be burned at the steak or something but then professing love thy brother above all else.

If you're going to bother making a statement, anticipate their reply

Never said those laws didn't matter. In fact I gave two reason for Leviticus off the top of my head in my previous reply.

This now makes you one of five people who have been claim this. The point is a majority of your fellow parishioners don't get this point.


EDIT: Side note. Maybe this is just something inherint in a certain sect or branch? Out of interest and if it is okay to ask, What flavor do you subscribe?

I'm sorry - I don't know if you are addressing this towards one person or everyone - but I also don't understand what you are asking. Could you clarify real quick?

In Him,
-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Damn you moderate non-fire and brimstone rational Christians! No fun at all to argue with. Since I have nothing against you guys and therefore nothing to actually post, could you do us a favor and some how quiet the nut balls down??

Haha I do my best to hold others and myself accountable 😉 - I'll put in an extra effort for ya 😉

-Kevin

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: Psynaut
Haven't read it, but just guessing from what I have seen the preachers say on Sunday morning, I expect it goes something like this:

Hate gays
Hate abortions
Hate evolution
Hate non-believers
Hate the environment
Hate endagered species
Hate sex
Hate tolerance
Hate peace
Profess Love

gj trolling, thanks for being predictable.

meh. you're just pissed that the book takes a negative slant towards your attraction of underage Japanese girls.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If all you guys are going to do is troll and bash a person's set of beliefs, I would ask that you keep it to yourselves.

If you have questions, I'm sure that people more than willing to talk about their beliefs, listen to yours and just talk.

OP - Is there something specific you wanted to know about the Book of Joshua? Asking what the point of an entire book in the Bible is way too much to attempt to put in a post 😉

-Kevin

He gave you 10 points to use. Typical answer though.

I don't buy into any form of the bible we have today being the true story.

He didn't give me 10 points. He gave me 10 stereotypes that people always try to use!

-Kevin

well, all stereotypes have a basis...somewhere.

and you wouldn't have to devote so much energy quashing such stereotypes if there wasn't a reason to bring them up....

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: shocksyde
Do not fuck with the Jesus x 10

That would be funny if Jesus was in the book of Joshua...but he's not.

well, Christians do like to pre-figure Jesus as the god of the Old Testament. Logically, it's the only way to defend the concept of the trinity...and to find any "religiously moral" basis against homosexuality and such (being that Jesus, according to The Bible, never had an opinion regarding such things. the closest he came was: "All you dudes and dudettes are cool in my book").

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: fire400

Dude, the kid's getting an A+ on his homework now. Until the instructor finds this thread, he'll keep that A+ and pass his class.

Usually when you're caught cheating you're given a failing grade for the class, entirely.

Liberal media teaches people how to commit crimes. I said that when I was 18, still proves true to this day. But I'm not sure if I knew what I was talking about ...

you made sense for a little while...then went all whacko brainwashed on us.

Where in the everloving hell did you come up with this tripe? Not to mention that it not only has nothing to do with this thread, but YOUR OWN FUCKING POST?!

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If all you guys are going to do is troll and bash a person's set of beliefs, I would ask that you keep it to yourselves.

If you have questions, I'm sure that people more than willing to talk about their beliefs, listen to yours and just talk.

OP - Is there something specific you wanted to know about the Book of Joshua? Asking what the point of an entire book in the Bible is way too much to attempt to put in a post 😉

-Kevin

He gave you 10 points to use. Typical answer though.

I don't buy into any form of the bible we have today being the true story.

He didn't give me 10 points. He gave me 10 stereotypes that people always try to use!

-Kevin

Hey if it is old testament, his points were probably pretty close. Unless it was about Abraham or Dave and kicking ass.

I do not fall into the "religious" category. Don't buy it. But from a philosophical stand point, I do like the stuff Jesus had to say. He had some great idea. Too bad too many take the old testament stuff as "absolute" but the stuff JC said as a "good suggestion".

I have never once heard anything remotely close to that in the Old Testament - Yes, there is a religious war in place; however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

You're not supposed to sum things up so succinctly. You need to hide the hatred in a lot of archaic language. The thumpers eat that stuff up.

Have you ever taken an English class and read a story that, on the surface, you said "No way" - but there were literary and stylistic devices that made it absolutely amazing? Why should you read the Bible any differently? Why are you giving it that double standard? Just to try and prove a point (or points) that don't fit with ANY OTHER lesson in the Bible?

-Kevin

I embrace the Old Testament still. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe every word in the Bible.

There is lines in the OT that say homosexuality carries a death sentence. That it is cool to kill people because they believe something different. I've seen the quotes on the crazy people signs. I am not saying there isn't some good stuff in the OT but there is a lot of archaic garbage.

I am not saying you are one of the nut jobs who doesn't get the analogies.

Unfortunately the people who get the most attention in your religion are the nutballs who believe every word is absolute in the OT (even though it is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a story).

Like I said, there is some really good stuff in that book. On a couple days of the year, it gets focused on and that is great. It is unfortunate that some focus on the the crazy points and ignore the good stuff.

Personally I think the world would be a much better place if all the people who believed his story bought in to the stuff JC said not just the filler. He had a good idea of how people could live.

A simple google and 15 million nutballs all saying the same quote.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Still believe every word?

Absolutely I believe every word.

I am not going to get into an argument with you. If you want a civil discussion, that is great; however, I will report this thread if it comes down to vulgar or profane language directed at me, my set of beliefs, or anyone else's set of beliefs (Yes, if someone comes in and bashes Ahteism, they will be reported just as fast).

Leviticus is largely around to show us, in present day, what life was like before Jesus. Before he took all of those laws in Leviticus on the cross and died with them.

Now, if you broke a law back in the era before Christ (Leviticus), you would have to offer some sort of a sacrifice to atone for your mistake.

Since Jesus came, he was crucified with EVERY SINGLE SIN on his shoulders. He was perfect, and he took EVERY SINGLE SIN of ours to the grave so we would never have to deal with those consequences again. He then rose from the dead to show that he had conquered death and sin and to proclaim that he would return one day to rid the world of sin.

Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. No matter how many times we screw up, nothing can surpass Jesus's sacrifice; and, therefore, we are saved.

This leaves us with the dilemma of why Leviticus is in the Bible still if Jesus took all those sins. Well there are two reasons:
A.) To show Christians what life was like before Jesus - in a world where sacrifices must be made for sin.
B.) To give us commandments to strive to achieve

Homosexuality for instance - yes it is a sin. But that sin is no different than me lying or cheating. Both were taken with Jesus to the cross and crucified - therefore I don't need to sacrifice for lying and they don't have to sacrifice for their choice.

We as Christians are called to embrace these people as brothers and sisters in Christ just the same as anyone else. Anyone who does not embrace them as a brother or sister in Christ is, once again, ignoring the commandment to "love one another".

Please keep this discussion clean - I love to discuss these things on AT Forums and elsewhere, but I hate it when people simply bash another person's ideas or beliefs - at least be mature enough to back out of the thread if you cannot discuss in a civil tongue.

In Him,
-Kevin

I hope it was a mistake or just forgetfulness that you left out mentioning that forgiveness of sins/redemption is for those that have faith in Christ and His redemptive work AND repent and turn away from sin/living a sinful lifestyle.

Acts 20:21
21I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

Luke 7:48-50
48Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."
49The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?"
50Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

Romans 5:1
1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Luke 5:32
32I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

II Corinthians 7:10
10Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation

Matthew 4:17
17From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

Mark 1:15
15"The time has come," he said. "The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!"

And the greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart, soul, mind. Loving your neighbor is the one after that.

Matthew 22:34-40
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

We are to love our neighbors/non-believers and witness to them, but in no way is our fellowship with non-believers to be the same as that with others who are in the body of Christ. How can you embrace them as a brother in Christ when they aren't, it doesn't work.


And my understanding of the Leviticus verse quoted earlier. Leviticus is a book of law for the nation of Israel and under the covenant with Abraham. It doesn't apply the us the same way now because; 1. we are not the nation of Israel. 2. we are not living in that time/context/situation. 3. we are not under that covenant, but under the new covenant of Christ.
I believe the proper way for a Christian to interpret and apply that principle in today's situation is;
1. homosexuality is a sin according to God.
2. God takes all sin seriously.
3. All sinners that aren't under the atoning sacrifice of Christ will be held accountable on the day of judgement.
If you don't believe in God or His judgement, then i can easily see how this can be brushed off, ignored, and not worried about. But your personal belief/disbelief doesn't change the fact that if the Holy and Just God of the Bible exist, and what scripture says about Him, Christ's return, and the day of judgement is truthful, then the unbelieving are in trouble. And the only way to be made right with God and be forgiven for your sins is through His son Jesus Christ.

John 14:6
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
[
Absolutely I believe every word.

I am not going to get into an argument with you. If you want a civil discussion, that is great; however, I will report this thread if it comes down to vulgar or profane language directed at me, my set of beliefs, or anyone else's set of beliefs (Yes, if someone comes in and bashes Ahteism, they will be reported just as fast).

Leviticus is largely around to show us, in present day, what life was like before Jesus. Before he took all of those laws in Leviticus on the cross and died with them.

Now, if you broke a law back in the era before Christ (Leviticus), you would have to offer some sort of a sacrifice to atone for your mistake.

Since Jesus came, he was crucified with EVERY SINGLE SIN on his shoulders. He was perfect, and he took EVERY SINGLE SIN of ours to the grave so we would never have to deal with those consequences again. He then rose from the dead to show that he had conquered death and sin and to proclaim that he would return one day to rid the world of sin.

Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. No matter how many times we screw up, nothing can surpass Jesus's sacrifice; and, therefore, we are saved.

This leaves us with the dilemma of why Leviticus is in the Bible still if Jesus took all those sins. Well there are two reasons:
A.) To show Christians what life was like before Jesus - in a world where sacrifices must be made for sin.
B.) To give us commandments to strive to achieve

Homosexuality for instance - yes it is a sin. But that sin is no different than me lying or cheating. Both were taken with Jesus to the cross and crucified - therefore I don't need to sacrifice for lying and they don't have to sacrifice for their choice.

We as Christians are called to embrace these people as brothers and sisters in Christ just the same as anyone else. Anyone who does not embrace them as a brother or sister in Christ is, once again, ignoring the commandment to "love one another".

Please keep this discussion clean - I love to discuss these things on AT Forums and elsewhere, but I hate it when people simply bash another person's ideas or beliefs - at least be mature enough to back out of the thread if you cannot discuss in a civil tongue.

In Him,
-Kevin

you know, that actually makes some sense. Unfortunately, few of the Baptists that I've come across believe in such a way. Many of them believe that OT God = Jesus. Therefore, the word of OT God = Jesus' word.

crazy, I know. but these people think that, and there are tons of them. ...and they vote...on those beliefs.

Well, at least it's good to know that there are some who can cling to rational thought processes after interpreting the word God knows how many times...
:beer:

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: shocksyde
Do not fuck with the Jesus x 10

That would be funny if Jesus was in the book of Joshua...but he's not.

well, Christians do like to pre-figure Jesus as the god of the Old Testament. Logically, it's the only way to defend the concept of the trinity...and to find any "religiously moral" basis against homosexuality and such (being that Jesus, according to The Bible, never had an opinion regarding such things. the closest he came was: "All you dudes and dudettes are cool in my book").

That only applies to the times when God walks the earth or the specific "Angel of the Lord" is mentioned, ie, when God manifests himself physically (like in Genesis). That's said to be the Son, or "God in the flesh". IIRC, that doesn't happen in Joshua. His encounter is with the captain of God's host, which is usually considered to be Michael the Archangel.

All the other times God appears in the OT (like when he speaks to Moses), it is the Father himself.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: uhohs

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
If all you guys are going to do is troll and bash a person's set of beliefs, I would ask that you keep it to yourselves.

If you have questions, I'm sure that people more than willing to talk about their beliefs, listen to yours and just talk.

OP - Is there something specific you wanted to know about the Book of Joshua? Asking what the point of an entire book in the Bible is way too much to attempt to put in a post 😉

-Kevin

He gave you 10 points to use. Typical answer though.

I don't buy into any form of the bible we have today being the true story.

He didn't give me 10 points. He gave me 10 stereotypes that people always try to use!

-Kevin

Hey if it is old testament, his points were probably pretty close. Unless it was about Abraham or Dave and kicking ass.

I do not fall into the "religious" category. Don't buy it. But from a philosophical stand point, I do like the stuff Jesus had to say. He had some great idea. Too bad too many take the old testament stuff as "absolute" but the stuff JC said as a "good suggestion".

I have never once heard anything remotely close to that in the Old Testament - Yes, there is a religious war in place; however, every underlying principle leads back (or forward - however you look at it) to Jesus' greatest commandment to "love one another".

You're not supposed to sum things up so succinctly. You need to hide the hatred in a lot of archaic language. The thumpers eat that stuff up.

Have you ever taken an English class and read a story that, on the surface, you said "No way" - but there were literary and stylistic devices that made it absolutely amazing? Why should you read the Bible any differently? Why are you giving it that double standard? Just to try and prove a point (or points) that don't fit with ANY OTHER lesson in the Bible?

-Kevin

I embrace the Old Testament still. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe every word in the Bible.

There is lines in the OT that say homosexuality carries a death sentence. That it is cool to kill people because they believe something different. I've seen the quotes on the crazy people signs. I am not saying there isn't some good stuff in the OT but there is a lot of archaic garbage.

I am not saying you are one of the nut jobs who doesn't get the analogies.

Unfortunately the people who get the most attention in your religion are the nutballs who believe every word is absolute in the OT (even though it is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a story).

Like I said, there is some really good stuff in that book. On a couple days of the year, it gets focused on and that is great. It is unfortunate that some focus on the the crazy points and ignore the good stuff.

Personally I think the world would be a much better place if all the people who believed his story bought in to the stuff JC said not just the filler. He had a good idea of how people could live.

A simple google and 15 million nutballs all saying the same quote.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Still believe every word?

Absolutely I believe every word.

I am not going to get into an argument with you. If you want a civil discussion, that is great; however, I will report this thread if it comes down to vulgar or profane language directed at me, my set of beliefs, or anyone else's set of beliefs (Yes, if someone comes in and bashes Ahteism, they will be reported just as fast).

Leviticus is largely around to show us, in present day, what life was like before Jesus. Before he took all of those laws in Leviticus on the cross and died with them.

Now, if you broke a law back in the era before Christ (Leviticus), you would have to offer some sort of a sacrifice to atone for your mistake.

Since Jesus came, he was crucified with EVERY SINGLE SIN on his shoulders. He was perfect, and he took EVERY SINGLE SIN of ours to the grave so we would never have to deal with those consequences again. He then rose from the dead to show that he had conquered death and sin and to proclaim that he would return one day to rid the world of sin.

Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. No matter how many times we screw up, nothing can surpass Jesus's sacrifice; and, therefore, we are saved.

This leaves us with the dilemma of why Leviticus is in the Bible still if Jesus took all those sins. Well there are two reasons:
A.) To show Christians what life was like before Jesus - in a world where sacrifices must be made for sin.
B.) To give us commandments to strive to achieve

Homosexuality for instance - yes it is a sin. But that sin is no different than me lying or cheating. Both were taken with Jesus to the cross and crucified - therefore I don't need to sacrifice for lying and they don't have to sacrifice for their choice.

We as Christians are called to embrace these people as brothers and sisters in Christ just the same as anyone else. Anyone who does not embrace them as a brother or sister in Christ is, once again, ignoring the commandment to "love one another".

Please keep this discussion clean - I love to discuss these things on AT Forums and elsewhere, but I hate it when people simply bash another person's ideas or beliefs - at least be mature enough to back out of the thread if you cannot discuss in a civil tongue.

In Him,
-Kevin

I hope it was a mistake or just forgetfulness that you left out mentioning that forgiveness of sins/redemption is for those that have faith in Christ and His redemptive work AND repent and turn away from sin/living a sinful lifestyle.

Acts 20:21
21I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

Luke 7:48-50
48Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."
49The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?"
50Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

Romans 5:1
1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Luke 5:32
32I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

II Corinthians 7:10
10Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation

Matthew 4:17
17From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

Mark 1:15
15"The time has come," he said. "The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!"

And the greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart, soul, mind. Loving your neighbor is the one after that.

Matthew 22:34-40
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

We are to love our neighbors/non-believers and witness to them, but in no way is our fellowship with non-believers to be the same as that with others who are in the body of Christ. How can you embrace them as a brother in Christ when they aren't, it doesn't work.


And my understanding of the Leviticus verse quoted earlier. Leviticus is a book of law for the nation of Israel and under the covenant with Abraham. It doesn't apply the us the same way now because; 1. we are not the nation of Israel. 2. we are not living in that time/context/situation. 3. we are not under that covenant, but under the new covenant of Christ.
I believe the proper way for a Christian to interpret and apply that principle in today's situation is;
1. homosexuality is a sin according to God.
2. God takes all sin seriously.
3. All sinners that aren't under the atoning sacrifice of Christ will be held accountable on the day of judgement.
If you don't believe in God or His judgement, then i can easily see how this can be brushed off, ignored, and not worried about. But your personal belief/disbelief doesn't change the fact that if the Holy and Just God of the Bible exist, and what scripture says about Him, Christ's return, and the day of judgement is truthful, then the unbelieving are in trouble. And the only way to be made right with God and be forgiven for your sins is through His son Jesus Christ.

John 14:6
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

I'm being very general on purpose with my comments. I 100% agree with what you said.

We are just arguing semantics though to be honest. Yours was a much more formal well thought out post 😉

-Kevin