Bible in a Year Thread: 339 days left: Genesis 46-50

[callmesteve]

Originally posted by: Stark
kind of puts this verse in a new perspective:

16 To the woman He said: "And he shall rule over you."

but what if i enjoy being on the bottom every once in awhile? 😛

In Ephesians it talks about the ruling. Christ is head of man, man is head of woman. This is headship doesn't mean POWER but more along the means of respect I guess you can say.

When referencing to God the Greek word used for OBEDIENCE is different than the OBEDIENCE used when talking about man and woman relationship. Yeah I also researched this sometime back because of women's beliefs on the Bible. When I get home I'll dig up the two hebrew / greek words for you

 

[callmesteve]

Originally posted by: malak
The KJV has many wrong words in it. In fact, the language it was written in was outdated before it was written. Many words weren't translated, or were kept from previous translations, instead of going straight from the manuscripts into english. For instance, Lucifer, the name often mistakenly given to the devil, is only found in the KJV.

Yes you have a point, but the word Lucifer itself means star... bright and shining or something. Which fit King Nebuchadnezzar because he was comparing himself to God. You know its King Nebuchadnezzar because the scripture in Isaiah says he would be cast down to Sheol (grave for man not for spirits) thus it cannot be Satan

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: callmesteve

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: callmesteve
Yup looks like Stark found an internet reference ^^

The scripture in Genesis is what I was going ot bring out next. I like how before we mentioned that chapter 1 was all on history yes? It describes day 1-6 no? You know its up to day 6 (last day of creation) because he mentions the creation of man and woman

*hope I have everyone there*

next in chapter 2 the female being he's referencing to IS Eve, and many people say this, 1:27 mentions male and female and 2:22 mentions Eve, there must've been another woman. Which is the Hebrew myth Lilith.

HOWEVER, creation ended day 6. Nothing happened after that because of resting periods. That is why 1:27 talks about a female which is EVE and this can be seen in Chapter 2 (the more detailed version of chapter 1) when it says that Eve was created. She was NOT created after day 6 impossible.

Well actually, creation stopped day 7, but that doesn't mean it didn't start up again, nor does it mean adam and eve were the only ones created. After all, Cain did leave his parents to go to another people.

100% that creation ended day 6. Its also in the first 2 chapters of the Bible. Finished because God said he was pleased with what he created, then he takes a resting day.

Secondly in the New Testament God is said to be a God of order and also it says that anything coming out of his mouth is true and will happen. He is satisfied, thus no more creation

so if woman was the last thing God made, does that mean that all diseases/viruses/etc were created by God way back then and are just starting to be discovered, or were they maybe a result of eating the fruit and the introduction of death to the world?

 

[callmesteve]

Nightjar = ... http://www.rspb.org.uk/birds/guide/n/nightjar/index.asp

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Seems to me like more of a popularity contest in most cases, and in some simply recognition of proficiency at insulting people.

It's not. Many otherwise popular members are not elite, nor are likely to ever be. I find crapping on elite members to be a senseless low-blow, as not one elite member to my knowledge ever asked for the honor. I know that I did not. It was simply awarding to me. If you question how the mods choose to award the status, I suggest you bring it up with them.

Originally posted by: Gurck
:laugh: So essentially you're saying I'd love jesus and be a good christian if only I'd read the bible? Which good christian posts like this one are trying to help me to do, if only I'd relinquish my pagan ways? Great stuff 😛

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that if you had an understanding of the subject, you wouldn't feel threatened by it, and also that you would be able to counter the subject using knowledge, instead of just mindless threadcrapping.

Originally posted by: Gurck
I rarely make a post with little meaning, and never one with none. Please feel free to quote me telling Syringer "spider" or the like. I'll be waiting on the apology, but of course I'll never receive it because you're always right :roll:

That's not an issue of being right or wrong, but of opinion. And my opinion is different than your opinion.

 

[callmesteve]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: callmesteve

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: callmesteve
Yup looks like Stark found an internet reference ^^

The scripture in Genesis is what I was going ot bring out next. I like how before we mentioned that chapter 1 was all on history yes? It describes day 1-6 no? You know its up to day 6 (last day of creation) because he mentions the creation of man and woman

*hope I have everyone there*

next in chapter 2 the female being he's referencing to IS Eve, and many people say this, 1:27 mentions male and female and 2:22 mentions Eve, there must've been another woman. Which is the Hebrew myth Lilith.

HOWEVER, creation ended day 6. Nothing happened after that because of resting periods. That is why 1:27 talks about a female which is EVE and this can be seen in Chapter 2 (the more detailed version of chapter 1) when it says that Eve was created. She was NOT created after day 6 impossible.

Well actually, creation stopped day 7, but that doesn't mean it didn't start up again, nor does it mean adam and eve were the only ones created. After all, Cain did leave his parents to go to another people.

100% that creation ended day 6. Its also in the first 2 chapters of the Bible. Finished because God said he was pleased with what he created, then he takes a resting day.

Secondly in the New Testament God is said to be a God of order and also it says that anything coming out of his mouth is true and will happen. He is satisfied, thus no more creation

so if woman was the last thing God made, does that mean that all diseases/viruses/etc were created by God way back then and are just starting to be discovered, or were they maybe a result of eating the fruit and the introduction of death to the world?

Thats a good question.... thank you for giving me another project xP

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
There's a difference between 'creaming your shorts' and demanding that other people not discuss things on an internet forum. As I said before, nobody's cramming anything down your throat here. You could just unplug the computer. You on the other hand decide to come into this thread and tell us to "keep our crap out of [here]". I'm sure everybody appreciates it when you call their core beleifs crap. I'm sure that you wouldn't react with such anger if this were a discussion of the Quran, or ancient greek manuscripts of their gods. I think it's apparent that you've got a special place in your heart for hating Christianity.

Good stuff in this post, now put the shoe on the other foot and you might learn something. What do you think scripture-slinging says about my core beliefs? Oh, but wait - I'm sure that's ok since you're right and I'm wrong, eh? 😉

Get a clue. No one forced you to click the thread.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: callmesteve

Originally posted by: malak
The KJV has many wrong words in it. In fact, the language it was written in was outdated before it was written. Many words weren't translated, or were kept from previous translations, instead of going straight from the manuscripts into english. For instance, Lucifer, the name often mistakenly given to the devil, is only found in the KJV.

Yes you have a point, but the word Lucifer itself means star... bright and shining or something. Which fit King Nebuchadnezzar because he was comparing himself to God. You know its King Nebuchadnezzar because the scripture in Isaiah says he would be cast down to Sheol (grave for man not for spirits) thus it cannot be Satan

Satan is also not the name of the devil 😛

Satan is hebrew for enemy, which is also applied to angel's of the Lord in the bible, and perhaps even God himself. As far as I can tell, the devil has no name mentioned. I'm still not sure what he is.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: malak

I think you have to see it from a computer programmer's viewpoint. I used to create things in an online game. I could create a sword with specific properties, and it existed. But I could continue to clone it over and over again. In a more complex way, you can create a template that can create an object with random properties, and clone it repeatedly with mixed results. My view is that when God created man and woman, he created templates of man and woman. According to science, we would need multiple templates even to have the cultures we have today. So the concept of man and woman was created in one day, but the people themselves were made later.

interesting... couldn't DNA fall into that same theory? God created the template for almost everything when he made DNA, and used it over and over to create all living things?

 

[callmesteve]

I think Satan and Devil have different meanings.... This one I'm just racking the memory so please don't quote me on this til I get home lol but I believe its something along the lines of Slanderer / Misleader....

I'll definitely have to get back to you on that one haha

 

[callmesteve]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: malak

I think you have to see it from a computer programmer's viewpoint. I used to create things in an online game. I could create a sword with specific properties, and it existed. But I could continue to clone it over and over again. In a more complex way, you can create a template that can create an object with random properties, and clone it repeatedly with mixed results. My view is that when God created man and woman, he created templates of man and woman. According to science, we would need multiple templates even to have the cultures we have today. So the concept of man and woman was created in one day, but the people themselves were made later.

interesting... couldn't DNA fall into that same theory? God created the template for almost everything when he made DNA, and used it over and over to create all living things?

Thats a pretty good point, I like this thinking of yours

 

[callmesteve]

Genesis 1-3 just killed me

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Vic
It's not. Many otherwise popular members are not elite, nor are likely to ever be. I find crapping on elite members to be a senseless low-blow, as not one elite member to my knowledge ever asked for the honor. I know that I did not. It was simply awarding to me. If you question how the mods choose to award the status, I suggest you bring it up with them.

After the Shinerburke example? No way, the mods are perfect 😀

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that if you had an understanding of the subject, you wouldn't feel threatened by it, and also that you would be able to counter the subject using knowledge, instead of just mindless threadcrapping.

I don't feel threatened by it at all, this is guesswork on your part and quite wrong. I find it annoying that at this point in our evolution as a species there are still hooks holding us back. I see religion as a lot like our inclination toward fatty foods; formerly useful and not only no longer needed, but actively detrimental to us.

Knowing what a fictional deity told a fictional man named Matthew (or whatever) in a fictional book is not knowledge.

It must have been very difficult for you to post without calling me names, I guess we should celebrate all victories big and small. It's a good first step, at any rate.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: callmesteve
Nightjar = ... http://www.rspb.org.uk/birds/guide/n/nightjar/index.asp

looks like a european swallow... but could it carry coconuts?

Seriously, it doesn't look that scarry. Maybe the African or Mesopotamian ones are bigger. 😛

 

[upsciLLion]

Good resolution. :thumbsup:

 

[callmesteve]

Yay Vic and Gurck made up beers for everyone

 

[callmesteve]

Nightjar = not scary looking true, but is known for slyness, cryptic, mysterious, etc

 

[Malak]

Pop quiz.

What's an angel?

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: callmesteve
Nightjar = not scary looking true, but is known for slyness, cryptic, mysterious, etc

well, they are nocturnal and were thought to suck milk from goats. Maybe one mistook a baby male for a goat and killed him in the worst way possible, giving rise to the Lilith legend. 😱

They're also called the nighthawk, which was also an early 80's movie featuring Rambo, Lando, and the Bionic Woman. Not sure yet, but there's probably some link to Kevin Bacon.

wiki nightjar

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Gurck
I don't feel threatened by it at all, this is guesswork on your part and quite wrong. I find it annoying that at this point in our evolution as a species there are still hooks holding us back. I see religion as a lot like our inclination toward fatty foods; formerly useful and not only no longer needed, but actively detrimental to us.

Knowing what a fictional deity told a fictional man named Matthew (or whatever) in a fictional book is not knowledge.

It must have been very difficult for you to post without calling me names, I guess we should celebrate all victories big and small. It's a good first step, at any rate.

Now, now. We already established who starting calling people names first, and that was you. Pointing out my faults without acknowledging that you share those faults as well is not wise (Matthew 7:3-5 btw 😉 ). But then that's the philosophy in the book that you choose to ignore, probably because it is inconvenient to your destructive agenda.

Your 2nd paragraph simply illustrates your ignorance on the issue, and that I am actually quite right in my "guesswork". God as God never spoke to Matthew. Nor was Matthew a prophet. He was a tax collector. Nor is the book fictional -- I suggest you talk with archeologists who dig in Israel and use the Bible as an accurate guide for their work.

Addressing your first paragraph, that is because you don't understand evolution either I would say. Humans evolve more than just physically, but behaviorally as well. In fact, I would argue that the majority of the evolutionary possibilities left to human are behavioristic. Inside the Bible is a history and a guide to that behavioral evolution.

 

[callmesteve]

Stark <3 Wiki ^^

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: malak
Pop quiz.

What's an angel?

no idea about the origins and how they relate to creation, but this is probably as good a time as any to bring them up.

was the cherubim with the flaming sword technically an angel or some other being?

 

[callmesteve]

Oh man angels!! WOOT, if it wasn't 5:30 haha. I'll be back in a bit

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: malak
Pop quiz.

What's an angel?

no idea about the origins and how they relate to creation, but this is probably as good a time as any to bring them up.

was the cherubim with the flaming sword technically an angel or some other being?

Technically it was a cherubim.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Arkitech
I don't really believe that the bible is 100% accurate but I think its a good idea to read through it at least once.

The reviews ain't that great so I've been holding off. 😀

But it's the best seller of all time!

It can usually be stolen from any hotel. :Q