Originally posted by: Gurck
I'll also reiterate my previous question, since nobody was able to answer it: If "don't like it, don't click it" is the feeling, then why not allow hardware & software threads?
Hot deals?
Political discussion?
Ipod scams?
Originally posted by: Arkitech
I don't really believe that the bible is 100% accurate but I think its a good idea to read through it at least once.
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Arkitech
I don't really believe that the bible is 100% accurate but I think its a good idea to read through it at least once.
The reviews ain't that great so I've been holding off.![]()
Originally posted by: Mathlete
Adam's second wife right???
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Anyways, this thread having to do with Genesis Chapter's 1-3, you guys ever heard of the Lilith?
I get a daily reading sent to my inbox and I'm going to post the content here.
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Originally posted by: Mathlete
Adam's second wife right???
Something along those lines yes. I ran into this problem and was like wow, BUT the Bible seemed to correct it. Only reason why I've been reading it more in depth. Found many instances where people attack the Bible for contradicting itself but when you REALLY read it, it seems to work out....
Stark, is it ok if we start talking about the Lilith?![]()
Originally posted by: loic2003
I get a daily reading sent to my inbox and I'm going to post the content here.
Couldn't you just post the address for the site that provides this service? That way
a) You don't have to do anything more
b) Only people that want to know about it will be sent it
c) We can avoid one of these big flamey threads each day
d) Only those that wish to increase their 'literacy awareness' do so.
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Anyways, this thread having to do with Genesis Chapter's 1-3, you guys ever heard of the Lilith?
Heard of? Yes. Studied? Nope. Been considering looking up information about it, but not something you'd look up on the internet.
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Anyways, this thread having to do with Genesis Chapter's 1-3, you guys ever heard of the Lilith?
Lilith in the Bible and other ancient texts
Lilith's name only appears once in the Old Testament at Isaiah 34:15, where it is translated as "great owl" in the King James Version of the Bible, leading to Lilith often being portrayed in imagery as an owl (this interpretation has been disputed).
However, some interpret the passage in Genesis 1:27 ? "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" ? before describing a mate being made of Adam's rib and being called Eve in Genesis 2:22, to mean that Adam had a wife before Eve, and that this could have been Lilith. However, this divergence is often explained as a weaving together of two different creation myths, as the Bible describes man being created in both Genesis 1:26 and 2:7.
Lilith's name also appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls in passages that are based on the above-noted Isaiah reference, and in various places in the Talmud and the Zohar.
Lilith as Adam's first wife
The origin of Adam and Lilith is not clear, as only one explicit reference to her exists in the bible. However, the Hebrew tradition of placing an amulet around the neck of newborn boys, inscribed with the names of 3 angels who are to protect them from the Lilins until their circumcision, lends weight to the argument that Lilith has her origins in Hebrew mythology, and is not the creation of later medieval authors.
One medieval reference to Lilith as the first wife of Adam, The Alphabet of Ben-Sira, was authored anonymously. Lilith is described as refusing to assume a subservient role to Adam during sexual intercourse and deserts him ("She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one.'").Lilith then went on to mate with Asmodai and various other demons she found beside the Red Sea, creating countless lilin.
Adam urged God to bring Lilith back, so three angels were dispatched after her. When the angels, Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, made threats to kill one hundred of Lilith's demonic children for each day she stayed away, she countered that she would prey eternally upon the descendants of Adam and Eve, who could be saved only by invoking the names of the three angels, and did not return to Adam.
This story has similarities with the original Mesopotamian myth, where Lilith killed children, and so the practice of protecting children by placing Lilith amulets around their necks with the names of the three angels became a custom of many Jewish communities in medieval times. The practice still exists today.
This legend was mistakenly included in an English language book of rabbinic works (the author seemingly assumed that any ancient book read in the Jewish community must have been a rabbinic work). However, contrary to popular belief, The Alphabet of Ben-Sira is not a Jewish religious text; rather, it is a collection of stories about heroes of the Bible and Talmud. Modern historians are unsure of its original purpose, although it may have been a collection of risqué folk-tales, a refutation of Christians, Karaites or other separatist movement, or simply an anti-Jewish satire.
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Yup looks like Stark found an internet reference ^^
The scripture in Genesis is what I was going ot bring out next. I like how before we mentioned that chapter 1 was all on history yes? It describes day 1-6 no? You know its up to day 6 (last day of creation) because he mentions the creation of man and woman
*hope I have everyone there*
next in chapter 2 the female being he's referencing to IS Eve, and many people say this, 1:27 mentions male and female and 2:22 mentions Eve, there must've been another woman. Which is the Hebrew myth Lilith.
HOWEVER, creation ended day 6. Nothing happened after that because of resting periods. That is why 1:27 talks about a female which is EVE and this can be seen in Chapter 2 (the more detailed version of chapter 1) when it says that Eve was created. She was NOT created after day 6 impossible.
16 To the woman He said: "And he shall rule over you."
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Yup looks like Stark found an internet reference ^^
The scripture in Genesis is what I was going ot bring out next. I like how before we mentioned that chapter 1 was all on history yes? It describes day 1-6 no? You know its up to day 6 (last day of creation) because he mentions the creation of man and woman
*hope I have everyone there*
next in chapter 2 the female being he's referencing to IS Eve, and many people say this, 1:27 mentions male and female and 2:22 mentions Eve, there must've been another woman. Which is the Hebrew myth Lilith.
HOWEVER, creation ended day 6. Nothing happened after that because of resting periods. That is why 1:27 talks about a female which is EVE and this can be seen in Chapter 2 (the more detailed version of chapter 1) when it says that Eve was created. She was NOT created after day 6 impossible.
Well actually, creation stopped day 7, but that doesn't mean it didn't start up again, nor does it mean adam and eve were the only ones created. After all, Cain did leave his parents to go to another people.
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Regarding the reference to Owl. Its more like a nightjar. This is only seen in the King James Version. Why can we assume they meant the nightjar (owl) and not the she demon lilith? Well if you read all of that chapter, it mentions the destruction of Edom. God says he is going to leave it totally destroyed, desolate and all these dirty creatures are going to come into the land. It references to hyenas and such thus we can assume that the meaning the Lilith was taking was not the one of the shedemon but of the disgusting bird, nightjar.
WHY though would they use Lilith in KJV and not the word owl or nightjar? This was written in Hebrew times and the Jews knew just how disgusting of a creature the lilith was because of all the folk tales. Thus for emphasis they used Lilith
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Yup looks like Stark found an internet reference ^^
The scripture in Genesis is what I was going ot bring out next. I like how before we mentioned that chapter 1 was all on history yes? It describes day 1-6 no? You know its up to day 6 (last day of creation) because he mentions the creation of man and woman
*hope I have everyone there*
next in chapter 2 the female being he's referencing to IS Eve, and many people say this, 1:27 mentions male and female and 2:22 mentions Eve, there must've been another woman. Which is the Hebrew myth Lilith.
HOWEVER, creation ended day 6. Nothing happened after that because of resting periods. That is why 1:27 talks about a female which is EVE and this can be seen in Chapter 2 (the more detailed version of chapter 1) when it says that Eve was created. She was NOT created after day 6 impossible.
Well actually, creation stopped day 7, but that doesn't mean it didn't start up again, nor does it mean adam and eve were the only ones created. After all, Cain did leave his parents to go to another people.
100% that creation ended day 6. Its also in the first 2 chapters of the Bible. Finished because God said he was pleased with what he created, then he takes a resting day.
Secondly in the New Testament God is said to be a God of order and also it says that anything coming out of his mouth is true and will happen. He is satisfied, thus no more creation
